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Re: [BUG] Re: red alarm light will not go off

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  • Robert Vandervoort
    Technically yes, you can just add it to your bucket.... But I seriously do not recommend that. I would just lovingly and carefully remove all the tubes. Take
    Message 1 of 27 , Jul 5, 2013
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      Technically yes, you can just add it to your bucket.... But I seriously do
      not recommend that. I would just lovingly and carefully remove all the
      tubes. Take photos before you do! And inspect, blow through, each one. More
      than likely they are like clogged arteries full of calcium scale. the
      boiler is probably a wreck also. I personally use muriatic acid diluted a
      bit with water. It does a really fast job and cleans up the brass / copper
      real good too. You just can't let stuff soak all day or you may end up with
      holes. Also needs to be rinsed really well after you're done cleaning. My
      whole boiler was caked with it. I'm on the wrong computer or I'd email them
      to you... I will later.


      On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM, jeremywhittlesey <
      jeremywhittlesey@...> wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > if i get it working somehow - is there a way to run the citric acid
      > through the machine?
      >
      > also, is there a way to see if the tank is filling/full?
      >
      >
      > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Robert Vandervoort <bigrobintx@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > I'd bet you're all full of hard water scale. Mine was completely plugged
      > in
      > > a few tubes. Mainly the hot water shower and the tubes going from the
      > > double boiler to the group head. There is a sensor on top of the boiler,
      > it
      > > has a wire connected to it. That senses if the water is full or not. make
      > > sure the connection is nice and clean, and honestly it wouldn't hurt to
      > > just strip the whole damn machine down and soak it in citric acid to
      > > dissolve all the scale. you could check all the solenoid valves while it
      > is
      > > apart. This is usually what I do when things don't work right when I get
      > a
      > > new machine like this. That way I know what I'm dealing with, I'm
      > familiar
      > > with all the parts and so forth. I usually find 4 times the shit wrong
      > with
      > > whatever I'm working on than I initially gambled on. Luckily the amount
      > > I've got in my machine is totally worth it.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:28 PM, jeremywhittlesey <jeremywhittlesey@...
      > > > wrote:
      > >
      > > > **
      >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > yes, nothing happens.
      > > >
      > > > the seller gave me this response:
      > > >
      > > > "He (some technician) said to please check and make sure the boiler is
      > > > full with water because it sounds like a water issue.
      > > > Did you hook it up to a water line? If you did, he mentioned to make
      > sure
      > > > the water fill valve didn't get plugged with debris when it was hooked
      > up
      > > > to the water line. To check this, he said to pull the water fill line
      > off
      > > > the fill valve and make sure there's not debris in the diaphram.
      > > > He also said to make sure you go through the proper fill procedure
      > before
      > > > turning it on.
      > > > He mentioned these commercial machines can be complicated because they
      > > > have pressurized boiler.
      > > > He said perhaps a component got stuck or a wire got loose during
      > shipping
      > > > which you wouldn't know unless your familiar with commercial espresso
      > > > machines and can run the machine through its sequence of operation"
      > > >
      > > > how do i check if the water tank is full?
      > > >
      > > > just for the record, i have seen drops of water come out of the
      > grouphead
      > > > and i have had hot water come out of the steam wand.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Robert Vandervoort <bigrobintx@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > It should activate the pump and pump water through the group until
      > you
      > > > > press any button to stop it. I assume the other buttons act in a
      > similar
      > > > > fashion?
      > > > > On Jul 1, 2013 7:09 PM, "jeremywhittlesey" <jeremywhittlesey@>
      > > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > **
      > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > yes - it is just holding the light solid when i am holding the
      > button
      > > > down
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Robert Vandervoort
      > <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Does the same thing happen when you hold the 2 shot button down?
      > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2013 6:29 PM, "jeremywhittlesey" <jeremywhittlesey@>
      > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > i have it hooked up to a 5 gal jug that is level with the
      > machine.
      > > > what
      > > > > > > > does it mean when i hold the 1 shot button down and the alarm
      > light
      > > > > > stays
      > > > > > > > on solid for a second or so (nothing else happens with the
      > > > machine)?
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Robert Vandervoort
      > > > <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Yes. So if the single shot button doesn't make it pour hold
      > he
      > > > two
      > > > > > shot
      > > > > > > > > button. If the pump goes on for a but then stops, that is
      > most
      > > > > > likely the
      > > > > > > > > fill going on, especially if no water comes out the group
      > head.
      > > > That
      > > > > > > > > would tell me button one is shorted closed. It is a common
      > issue
      > > > on
      > > > > > these
      > > > > > > > > membrane keypads. You do have it hooked up to a pressurized
      > water
      > > > > > source
      > > > > > > > > correct?
      > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2013 2:52 PM, "jeremywhittlesey" <jeremywhittlesey@
      > >
      > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > ill try that when i get home, I think ive done that before
      > and
      > > > the
      > > > > > red
      > > > > > > > > > light just stays solid for a second and then goes back to
      > > > blinking.
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > are there any other ideas if that doesnt do anything?
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Robert Vandervoort
      > > > > > <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > Put it in program mode and hold the single shot button.
      > It
      > > > should
      > > > > > > > start
      > > > > > > > > > > the pump. Press it again to stop. This programs shot
      > volume.
      > > > If
      > > > > > it
      > > > > > > > > > > doesn't then try each of the four shot / short buttons.
      > Let
      > > > me
      > > > > > know
      > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2013 11:42 AM, "Jeremy Whittlesey"
      > > > <jeremywhittlesey@>
      > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > When I do the reset procedure (program switch-2 button
      > > > hold)
      > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > pump
      > > > > > > > > > > > comes on
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Whittlesey
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------
      > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7/1/13, Robert Vandervoort <bigrobintx@>
      > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [BUG] Re: red alarm light will not go off
      > > > > > > > > > > > To: BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 5:27 AM
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > When you hit a button does the pump
      > > > > > > > > > > > come on?
      > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2013 10:50 PM, "jeremywhittlesey"
      > > > <jeremywhittlesey@
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing happens at all.as soon as i plug it in the
      > red
      > > > > > > > > > > > light blinks like
      > > > > > > > > > > > > always. ive run the reset/pump fill procedure and the
      > > > > > > > > > > > steam wand (from the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > button panel) countless times. would that still
      > > > > > > > > > > > indicate the panel is the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > cause although that worked?
      > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > after i replaced a faulty cable the only guess i have
      > > > > > > > > > > > is the group
      > > > > > > > > > > > > solenoid or the group is plugged or something.
      > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > is there like a checklist i can go through to
      > determine
      > > > > > > > > > > > what the problem
      > > > > > > > > > > > > is? i have tried everything i can think of except for
      > > > > > > > > > > > throwing new parts in
      > > > > > > > > > > > > it and/or taking about the group.
      > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com,
      > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Vandervoort <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > Turn it off, unplug the button panel (there is a
      > > > > > > > > > > > ribbon cable that comes
      > > > > > > > > > > > > in
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the back side, just unplug it), turn it back
      > > > > > > > > > > > on, observe behavior...
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > plug in ribbon cable (leaving it on) observe
      > > > > > > > > > > > behavior... report.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM, jeremywhittlesey
      > > > > > > > > > > > <
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > jeremywhittlesey@> wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that expensive? is there a way to test it?
      > > > > > > > > > > > the buttons themselves
      > > > > > > > > > > > > look
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > barley used - the red button has a tiny bit
      > > > > > > > > > > > of plastic cracked
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com,
      > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Vandervoort <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your button pad is toast.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2013 10:59 AM,
      > > > > > > > > > > > "jeremywhittlesey" <jeremywhittlesey@>
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well no water comes out when i
      > > > > > > > > > > > press any of the buttons, however
      > > > > > > > > > > > > when i
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > press any one of the four (shot
      > > > > > > > > > > > program buttons) the red blinking
      > > > > > > > > > > > > light
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of stays on a second or so
      > > > > > > > > > > > longer while the button is being
      > > > > > > > > > > > > held.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > red button makes steam and water
      > > > > > > > > > > > come out of the steam wand but it
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesnt
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really make a stream of water come
      > > > > > > > > > > > out of the hot water wand.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black box is referring to the
      > > > > > > > > > > > computer board where the fuse is
      > > > > > > > > > > > > - it
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems fine, even the fuze seems
      > > > > > > > > > > > fine. there werent any black marks
      > > > > > > > > > > > > on
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > board or the caps at all.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ill look into the pressure stat a
      > > > > > > > > > > > bit more - i am really starting
      > > > > > > > > > > > > to
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hate
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that red light! i just want my
      > > > > > > > > > > > first espresso :/
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for the help - any other
      > > > > > > > > > > > ideas?
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how long does it take to fill the
      > > > > > > > > > > > boiler? i think i did the program
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two button thing a million times.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com,
      > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Vandervoort
      > > > > > > > > > > > > <bigrobintx@>
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does each button work? if you
      > > > > > > > > > > > press button 1, does it start
      > > > > > > > > > > > > pouring
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water?
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > button 2, 3, 4 and the last
      > > > > > > > > > > > one as well? Mine had this same
      > > > > > > > > > > > > problem
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was because the 1 shot button
      > > > > > > > > > > > was crushed and essentially being
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pushed
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the time. I had to make a new
      > > > > > > > > > > > keypad, but right after, I found a
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place to
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get one.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, your hot water wand (cup
      > > > > > > > > > > > warmer / shower) should blast
      > > > > > > > > > > > > super
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hot
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water if you crank it open...
      > > > > > > > > > > > dribble means it's plugged with
      > > > > > > > > > > > > scale
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt. Mine didn't even work
      > > > > > > > > > > > when I got it.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the "black box" I assume
      > > > > > > > > > > > you mean the pressure stat? located
      > > > > > > > > > > > > at
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right and hooked to the boiler
      > > > > > > > > > > > and some wires? If I were you I'd
      > > > > > > > > > > > > pop
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top off that box (with the
      > > > > > > > > > > > power unplugged) and you can check to
      > > > > > > > > > > > > see
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contacts inside there are
      > > > > > > > > > > > burned up. mine were and its a common
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luckily, most pressurestats
      > > > > > > > > > > > have 6 terminals, and they are all
      > > > > > > > > > > > > just
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close circuits so you can move
      > > > > > > > > > > > the set of wires over to the next
      > > > > > > > > > > > > set
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terminals adjacent. This
      > > > > > > > > > > > greatly reduced the load my machine put
      > > > > > > > > > > > > on
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > circuit, and in fact the burnt
      > > > > > > > > > > > set of terminals caused a heat
      > > > > > > > > > > > > limiter
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and a
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wire to fry...
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:20
      > > > > > > > > > > > PM, jeremywhittlesey <
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jeremywhittlesey@> wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have lightly cleaned my
      > > > > > > > > > > > new machine and read through the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > manuals
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but cannot figure out why
      > > > > > > > > > > > the alarm will not shut off. here is
      > > > > > > > > > > > > a
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the things ive done:
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the fuse
      > > > > > > > > > > > (seemed fine) replaced it with a 10amp,
      > > > > > > > > > > > > evil red
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps flashing
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried the program switch
      > > > > > > > > > > > two button thing to keep filling the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > tank
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that a million times, the
      > > > > > > > > > > > pump seemed to get quite hot so i
      > > > > > > > > > > > > stopped
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i did turn the heater on
      > > > > > > > > > > > and got steam out of the steam wand
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (nothing
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened when the heater
      > > > > > > > > > > > was turned off)
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hot water wand
      > > > > > > > > > > > dribbled a little hot water (nothing
      > > > > > > > > > > > > happened
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heater was turned off)
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little wire connecter
      > > > > > > > > > > > outside the black box looked fried a
      > > > > > > > > > > > > tiny
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replaced that
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is getting pretty
      > > > > > > > > > > > annoying - does anyone have any ideas?
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how long does it take to
      > > > > > > > > > > > fill the boiler? i think i did the
      > > > > > > > > > > > > program
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two button thing a
      > > > > > > > > > > > million times.
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this
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