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  • dmankin
    If you re machine is doing what it s supposed to.... AT DELIVERY (!), you got a good one!!! Mine arrived with a busted high-limit thermostat, and a very funky
    Message 1 of 9 , Dec 17, 2009
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      If you're machine is doing what it's supposed to.... AT DELIVERY (!), you got a good one!!! Mine arrived with a busted high-limit thermostat, and a very funky (corroded) electrical path for the heating element circuit - including the main power switch.... and I considered myself VERY lucky!!! I've put in maybe $100 into the machine.. that's it!

      I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your machine. Here's mine in action this morning:

      http://snipurl.com/bodum_shot

      Enjoy the process.. and ultimately the coffee,

      David
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++


      --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@...> wrote:
      >
      > Well I think I was a little premature in thinking there was something wrong. I followed the instructions and the machine looks likes it's working properly!! What a relief. I'll post some pics in a couple of days. The machine is going to need alot of work but I think it's going to look great when I'm done. Thanks!
      >
      > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "Tex" <Texas_Coffee@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Check out 'Files > ES-1A information > ES-1A Power On.pdf'. David's covered most of what you'll need to know.
      > >
      > > Tex
      > >
      > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
      > > > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
      > > > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on? I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Tex
      Other than Susan who s a SPECIAL CASE, everyone has been able to get their machines working quickly and cheaply. The electrics seem to be very robust - a fuse
      Message 2 of 9 , Dec 17, 2009
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        Other than Susan who's a SPECIAL CASE, everyone has been able to get their machines working quickly and cheaply. The electrics seem to be very robust - a fuse or switch here & there may be bad, but the brain boxes are always intact. A half=pound of citric acid and a few hand tools is the only thing stopping you from making coffee. Oh yeah, be sure the disassemble the group - the gicleur & screen are often missing and needs to be present to work properly.

        BTW: All my latest ES-1A needed was a 60 cent fuse. Not bad for a $295 machine!

        Tex

        --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "dmankin" <david.mankin@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > If you're machine is doing what it's supposed to.... AT DELIVERY (!), you got a good one!!! Mine arrived with a busted high-limit thermostat, and a very funky (corroded) electrical path for the heating element circuit - including the main power switch.... and I considered myself VERY lucky!!! I've put in maybe $100 into the machine.. that's it!
        >
        > I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your machine. Here's mine in action this morning:
        >
        > http://snipurl.com/bodum_shot
        >
        > Enjoy the process.. and ultimately the coffee,
        >
        > David
        > +++++++++++++++++++++++++
        >
        >
        > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Well I think I was a little premature in thinking there was something wrong. I followed the instructions and the machine looks likes it's working properly!! What a relief. I'll post some pics in a couple of days. The machine is going to need alot of work but I think it's going to look great when I'm done. Thanks!
        > >
        > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "Tex" <Texas_Coffee@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Check out 'Files > ES-1A information > ES-1A Power On.pdf'. David's covered most of what you'll need to know.
        > > >
        > > > Tex
        > > >
        > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
        > > > > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
        > > > > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on? I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
      • jackbunn
        I have to do some more testing and it world seem it is working properly. It looks like it has been well used, but not abused. The inside is suprisingly clean
        Message 3 of 9 , Dec 18, 2009
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          I have to do some more testing and it world seem it is working properly. It looks like it has been well used, but not abused. The inside is suprisingly clean but I would rather completely rebuild it. The black body panels have started to rust in some spots and the pressure guage case chrome has specs of rust. The white needle on the guage looks like its working but the yellow needle has not moved yet.

          Since I'm going to completely rebuild it I also plan on adding a PID. Is there any info on adding a PID?

          --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "Tex" <Texas_Coffee@...> wrote:
          >
          > Other than Susan who's a SPECIAL CASE, everyone has been able to get their machines working quickly and cheaply. The electrics seem to be very robust - a fuse or switch here & there may be bad, but the brain boxes are always intact. A half=pound of citric acid and a few hand tools is the only thing stopping you from making coffee. Oh yeah, be sure the disassemble the group - the gicleur & screen are often missing and needs to be present to work properly.
          >
          > BTW: All my latest ES-1A needed was a 60 cent fuse. Not bad for a $295 machine!
          >
          > Tex
          >
          > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "dmankin" <david.mankin@> wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > If you're machine is doing what it's supposed to.... AT DELIVERY (!), you got a good one!!! Mine arrived with a busted high-limit thermostat, and a very funky (corroded) electrical path for the heating element circuit - including the main power switch.... and I considered myself VERY lucky!!! I've put in maybe $100 into the machine.. that's it!
          > >
          > > I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of your machine. Here's mine in action this morning:
          > >
          > > http://snipurl.com/bodum_shot
          > >
          > > Enjoy the process.. and ultimately the coffee,
          > >
          > > David
          > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Well I think I was a little premature in thinking there was something wrong. I followed the instructions and the machine looks likes it's working properly!! What a relief. I'll post some pics in a couple of days. The machine is going to need alot of work but I think it's going to look great when I'm done. Thanks!
          > > >
          > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "Tex" <Texas_Coffee@> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > Check out 'Files > ES-1A information > ES-1A Power On.pdf'. David's covered most of what you'll need to know.
          > > > >
          > > > > Tex
          > > > >
          > > > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
          > > > > > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
          > > > > > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on? I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
        • sh8knj8kster
          ... The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about. ... ~~~~I m sure I mentioned this on here before but maybe not everyone
          Message 4 of 9 , Dec 18, 2009
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            --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@...> wrote:







            The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
            >







            ~~~~I'm sure I mentioned this on here before but maybe not everyone read the post. I'm referring to probably the best way to pack and ship an espresso machine bar none. Okay, I'm sure there could be better ways but-


            When Salvatore shipped me one of their One Black espresso machines new back in April of this year, they completely wrapped the machine in bubble wrap before boxing it. If it was wrapped one revelotion in bubble wrap it was wrapped 12 maybe 16 X's, then placed in a cardboard carton with a few pieces of new cardboard box to take up the slack between the machine and the cardbaord shipping carton


            Here's a shot of how it arrived once I opened the carton

            http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3484660559/in/set-72157605654118354/

            another,

            http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3485471360/in/set-72157605654118354/


            In the event anyone needs to ship an espresso machine, IMO, that is probably one of the better ways to do it


            Now I got you beat Jack for recieving an espresso machine that has been damaged during transit. What follows is a couple pics of the used Rimini I bought in Jan of this year


            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/918477959/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc


            ~~~Whaddya think, any chance the PO could have done a better job packing it? I took this pic as I was unpacking, so what you see is how it was packed. In other words, virtually nothing between the machine and the cardboard container. It was placed on a home built 2 by 4 pinewood skid, but the machine was also dropped (besides being gouged) and the copper boiler suffered a few dents (non consequential IMO) from the metal frame support nothiced in this next pic-


            http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/4196083871/


            the right side panel was also damaged during shipping to me as evidenced in this photo-


            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/743785978/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc


            here's another view of the left side panel during unpacking (Rimini) back in Jan of this year-


            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1139205435/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc


            ~~~Fortunately, the panels are metal and easily bumped and painted


            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1234090511/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&dir=asc


            ~~~Seriously, the next time any of you buy an espresso machine or have one shipped to you, request the shipper to wrap it in bubble wrap before placing it in a carton. They/you can purchase rolls of bubble wrap from Home Depot inexpensively AMHIK


            OR, if you ship one to someone else, warp it in Bubble wrap. Just an idea. A good one (idea) IMO. Others may have better or different ideas




            Jake
            Reddick Fla.





            >
            > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
            > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
            > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on? I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
            >
          • Bob White
            The method Jake runs through below is a sound one. My ES-1A arrived double boxed. There were peanuts around the machine inside the first box. That box was
            Message 5 of 9 , Dec 19, 2009
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              The method Jake runs through below is a sound one.

              My ES-1A arrived double boxed. There were peanuts around the machine
              inside the first box. That box was placed inside the second box on a
              bed of peanuts with peanuts around and over it. It was a good
              approach but with this caveat: drain the machine. Mine arrived with
              water in boiler. Somehow water had escaped into the packaging and
              damaged the box integrity. As we know these machines are heavy and I
              guess the handling is a challenge to shippers. I suspect the "This
              end Up" is not always observed. Fortunately my machine was undamaged
              but it would not have taken much to dent it with the wet boxing.
              Having the boiler drained seems a good idea, especially this time of
              year where freezing temperatures might be encountered.

              Another possibility for shipping is to have the machine foamed into
              the box. The machine is held in place by bags that have high
              expanding foam pumped into them. One bag is placed in the bottom of
              the box and another over the machine. The box is then sealed and the
              foam expands locking the machine in place.

              Hoping everyone has a super holiday season.

              Bob

              On Dec 19, 2009, at 12:44 AM, sh8knj8kster wrote:

              >
              >
              > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@...> wrote:
              >
              > The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to
              > worry about.
              > >
              >
              > ~~~~I'm sure I mentioned this on here before but maybe not everyone
              > read the post. I'm referring to probably the best way to pack and
              > ship an espresso machine bar none. Okay, I'm sure there could be
              > better ways but-
              >
              > When Salvatore shipped me one of their One Black espresso machines
              > new back in April of this year, they completely wrapped the machine
              > in bubble wrap before boxing it. If it was wrapped one revelotion in
              > bubble wrap it was wrapped 12 maybe 16 X's, then placed in a
              > cardboard carton with a few pieces of new cardboard box to take up
              > the slack between the machine and the cardbaord shipping carton
              >
              > Here's a shot of how it arrived once I opened the carton
              >
              > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3484660559/in/set-72157605654118354/
              >
              > another,
              >
              > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3485471360/in/set-72157605654118354/
              >
              > In the event anyone needs to ship an espresso machine, IMO, that is
              > probably one of the better ways to do it
              >
              > Now I got you beat Jack for recieving an espresso machine that has
              > been damaged during transit. What follows is a couple pics of the
              > used Rimini I bought in Jan of this year
              >
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/918477959/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc
              >
              > ~~~Whaddya think, any chance the PO could have done a better job
              > packing it? I took this pic as I was unpacking, so what you see is
              > how it was packed. In other words, virtually nothing between the
              > machine and the cardboard container. It was placed on a home built 2
              > by 4 pinewood skid, but the machine was also dropped (besides being
              > gouged) and the copper boiler suffered a few dents (non
              > consequential IMO) from the metal frame support nothiced in this
              > next pic-
              >
              > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/4196083871/
              >
              > the right side panel was also damaged during shipping to me as
              > evidenced in this photo-
              >
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/743785978/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
              >
              > here's another view of the left side panel during unpacking (Rimini)
              > back in Jan of this year-
              >
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1139205435/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc
              >
              > ~~~Fortunately, the panels are metal and easily bumped and painted
              >
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1234090511/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&dir=asc
              >
              > ~~~Seriously, the next time any of you buy an espresso machine or
              > have one shipped to you, request the shipper to wrap it in bubble
              > wrap before placing it in a carton. They/you can purchase rolls of
              > bubble wrap from Home Depot inexpensively AMHIK
              >
              > OR, if you ship one to someone else, warp it in Bubble wrap. Just an
              > idea. A good one (idea) IMO. Others may have better or different ideas
              >
              > Jake
              > Reddick Fla.
              >
              > >
              > > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good
              > physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so
              > I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent
              > on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
              > > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've
              > hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and
              > the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on
              > and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the
              > boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of
              > the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
              > > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on?
              > I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
              > >
              >
              >
              >



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            • jackbunn
              You just described exactly how my machine was shipped. The boiler must not have been emptied because the package looked water soaked and the inside was still
              Message 6 of 9 , Dec 19, 2009
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                You just described exactly how my machine was shipped. The boiler must not have been emptied because the package looked water soaked and the inside was still wet. I'm not going to make a stink UPS. The seller seemed pretty decent and it was packaged well. If it wasn't for the water I'd say there would have been no damage at all. At this point it's a minor set back. I'm going to painting flames on the side of it anyway.

                --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, Bob White <bobwhitequail@...> wrote:
                >
                > The method Jake runs through below is a sound one.
                >
                > My ES-1A arrived double boxed. There were peanuts around the machine
                > inside the first box. That box was placed inside the second box on a
                > bed of peanuts with peanuts around and over it. It was a good
                > approach but with this caveat: drain the machine. Mine arrived with
                > water in boiler. Somehow water had escaped into the packaging and
                > damaged the box integrity. As we know these machines are heavy and I
                > guess the handling is a challenge to shippers. I suspect the "This
                > end Up" is not always observed. Fortunately my machine was undamaged
                > but it would not have taken much to dent it with the wet boxing.
                > Having the boiler drained seems a good idea, especially this time of
                > year where freezing temperatures might be encountered.
                >
                > Another possibility for shipping is to have the machine foamed into
                > the box. The machine is held in place by bags that have high
                > expanding foam pumped into them. One bag is placed in the bottom of
                > the box and another over the machine. The box is then sealed and the
                > foam expands locking the machine in place.
                >
                > Hoping everyone has a super holiday season.
                >
                > Bob
                >
                > On Dec 19, 2009, at 12:44 AM, sh8knj8kster wrote:
                >
                > >
                > >
                > > --- In BUG-is-Bunn@yahoogroups.com, "jackbunn" <jackbunn@> wrote:
                > >
                > > The machine got a small dent on the bottom from shipping, nothing to
                > > worry about.
                > > >
                > >
                > > ~~~~I'm sure I mentioned this on here before but maybe not everyone
                > > read the post. I'm referring to probably the best way to pack and
                > > ship an espresso machine bar none. Okay, I'm sure there could be
                > > better ways but-
                > >
                > > When Salvatore shipped me one of their One Black espresso machines
                > > new back in April of this year, they completely wrapped the machine
                > > in bubble wrap before boxing it. If it was wrapped one revelotion in
                > > bubble wrap it was wrapped 12 maybe 16 X's, then placed in a
                > > cardboard carton with a few pieces of new cardboard box to take up
                > > the slack between the machine and the cardbaord shipping carton
                > >
                > > Here's a shot of how it arrived once I opened the carton
                > >
                > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3484660559/in/set-72157605654118354/
                > >
                > > another,
                > >
                > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/3485471360/in/set-72157605654118354/
                > >
                > > In the event anyone needs to ship an espresso machine, IMO, that is
                > > probably one of the better ways to do it
                > >
                > > Now I got you beat Jack for recieving an espresso machine that has
                > > been damaged during transit. What follows is a couple pics of the
                > > used Rimini I bought in Jan of this year
                > >
                > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/918477959/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc
                > >
                > > ~~~Whaddya think, any chance the PO could have done a better job
                > > packing it? I took this pic as I was unpacking, so what you see is
                > > how it was packed. In other words, virtually nothing between the
                > > machine and the cardboard container. It was placed on a home built 2
                > > by 4 pinewood skid, but the machine was also dropped (besides being
                > > gouged) and the copper boiler suffered a few dents (non
                > > consequential IMO) from the metal frame support nothiced in this
                > > next pic-
                > >
                > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/4196083871/
                > >
                > > the right side panel was also damaged during shipping to me as
                > > evidenced in this photo-
                > >
                > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/743785978/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
                > >
                > > here's another view of the left side panel during unpacking (Rimini)
                > > back in Jan of this year-
                > >
                > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1139205435/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc
                > >
                > > ~~~Fortunately, the panels are metal and easily bumped and painted
                > >
                > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUG-is-Bunn/photos/album/543124345/pic/1234090511/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&dir=asc
                > >
                > > ~~~Seriously, the next time any of you buy an espresso machine or
                > > have one shipped to you, request the shipper to wrap it in bubble
                > > wrap before placing it in a carton. They/you can purchase rolls of
                > > bubble wrap from Home Depot inexpensively AMHIK
                > >
                > > OR, if you ship one to someone else, warp it in Bubble wrap. Just an
                > > idea. A good one (idea) IMO. Others may have better or different ideas
                > >
                > > Jake
                > > Reddick Fla.
                > >
                > > >
                > > > Well the machine arrived today. The machine is in pretty good
                > > physical condition. I plan on completely stripping the machine so
                > > I'm not worried about the appearance. The machine got a small dent
                > > on the bottom from shipping, nothing to worry about.
                > > > The electrics on the other hand are questionable. Bummer. I've
                > > hooked up water to it with a garden hose. The boiler filled up and
                > > the pump came on for a little bit. The refill light is staying on
                > > and it doesn't let me do anything? Also the heater heats up the
                > > boiler but steam is coming out from one of the fitting at the top of
                > > the boiler. The fitting has a lock ring on it.
                > > > Can someone give me an idea what should happen I first turn it on?
                > > I should have a digital camera tommorrow to take some pics.
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
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