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RE: [BPQ32] @AMSAT bulls not being forwarded by MAILCHAT

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  • Mike Melnik
    Charles I am not going to turn this into a debate, this isn’t what the reflector is used for, as usual you turned a question from a user into a debate! 1 Yes
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 19, 2011

      I am not going to turn this into a debate, this isn’t what the reflector is
      used for,
      as usual you turned a question from a user into a debate!

      1 Yes I forward with CX2SA for many years now, and you are more the welcome
      add N9PMO to your reject list you won’t hurt my feelings!

      2 You haven’t given one example of Jose not respecting ham radio, you
      haven’t explained what the
      problem is with hierarchical addressing

      3 I haven’t heard of any USA Station shutting down because of CX2SA, I
      seriously doubt this is true
      if it was the case I guess by your thinking everyone would have been closed
      down by now.

      4 How would you know if CX2SA uses Packet Radio anyway, you claim to have
      him in your Reject list

      Jose and I as others I know, send personal messages back and forth on a
      regular bases.

      I will continue to stand with Jose,

      I hope this puts an end to the bashing of any Ham Radio Operator.

      Have a good day Charles.

      Web WWW.N9PMO.COM
      -----Original Message-----
      From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Charles Brabham
      Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:33 AM
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] @AMSAT bulls not being forwarded by MAILCHAT

      Nope. - I specifically bashed CX2SA because he does NOT respect ham radio -
      or his fellow amateurs. This conclusion was reached by observing the
      person's actions, and by talking with amateurs in South and Central America
      about the lack of HF Packet forwarding stations there.
      Prior to CX2SA, I routinely forwarded with stations in Mexico and SA. They
      all went away, and when I ask why, the answer is always the same - CX2SA. (
      And his 'internet forwarding partners' in the USA who collude with him in
      shutting those stations down. )
      It is interesting to hear that CX2SA "knows what he is doing with Packet" -
      considering the fact that he doesn't use it himself, refuses to repect the
      hierarchical addressing system that Packet networking is based upon, and
      routinely undercuts other amateurs who try to use Packet.
      That sounds a lot like the kind of 'expertise' we now see in Washington
      about employment issues.
      Working together instead of fighting is a very good idea. - My point is that
      CX2SA is fighting anybody who uses Packet's hierarcical addressing system,
      or who tries to operate an HF Packet BBS in central or south America.
      Do YOU respect the hierarchical addressing system, and put the needs of hams
      using radio above hams who do not use radio, or are are YOU TOO a part of
      CX2SA's attack upon amateur packet radio users?
      I just want to know, so that I can keep my REJECT list up to date, you
      Apparently you believe that Packet RADIO users are helpless, and must stand
      by watch Lids like CX2SA screw things up for hundreds of thier fellow
      amateurs without saying anything - or doing anything - about it.
      Better think again, Om. - It has finally gotten to the point where internet
      forwarders have jumped the shark - so don't be counting on any more
      knee-jerk acceptance from people that your deliberate actions have done harm
      to for decades.
      Attacking amateurs who speak out about something wrong will not solve any of
      our problems, so let's see a little less of that from now on.
      73 DE Charles, N5PVL
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Mike Melnik
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:15 AM
      Subject: RE: [BPQ32] @AMSAT bulls not being forwarded by MAILCHAT

      Here we go again, Charles bashing another fellow Ham that Truly respects Ham
      And knows what he is doing with Packet, May be you haven't been around long
      Charles to realize that KEP@AMSAT has always been addressed this way for a
      Anyone that runs FBB knows the Satellite Server needs the Group @AMSAT this
      Back as far as the 1980's changing the @AMSAT to a different group servers
      no purpose.

      Jose has always been a great help to me and others, if one doesn't want
      @AMSAT just
      Reject that group, rejecting all messages/bulletins from CX2SA is a
      ridicules leap
      In judgment.

      Let's try to work together rather then fighting.


      Web WWW.N9PMO.COM
      -----Original Message-----
      From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Charles Brabham
      Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:01 AM
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] @AMSAT bulls not being forwarded by MAILCHAT

      The solution here was to put the CX2SA callsign on my REJECT list.
      This individual is almost single-handedly responsible for destroying the CA
      and SA HF Packet network, by "routing around" any attempt to set up an
      amateur packet RADIO station in CA or SA. Several attempts have been made to
      work around this serial Lid and re-establish HF Packet links in SA - but
      apparently CX2SA's internet "forwarding partners" in the US have colluded
      with hm in rooting out any use of radio for that purpose.
      Jose's station has been the source of countless routing screw-ups over the
      years. - When asked about that, here was CX2SA's reply:
      "Ham radio is global.
      So, if ham radio is global, then the BBS should have all the routes.
      Many radio amateurs around the world (outside South and Central America or
      Spain) connect to my BBS and they read bulletines in their own language.
      That is wonderful."
      In other words, CX2SA has no respect for the Packet routing system, or for
      fellow amateurs around the world who depend upon the hieracrichal routing
      system as it was designed to operate - for RADIO stations.
      If we all put this Bozo on our REJECT lists, amateur RADIO operators in CA
      and SA might start appearing again. - Maybe.
      - And you can be sure that it will cure a long string of needless routing
      Step up and be a HAM. - Put this malicious clown on your REJECT list today,
      and be done with his anti-ham radio shenannigans.
      That's what I did - and sure enough, it really cut down out a lot of the
      misrouting issues brought on by CX2SA's malicious ignorance.
      If we quit paying attention to him, this Lid will go away.
      73 DE Charles, N5PVL
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: chris_g0cng
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:13 AM
      Subject: [BPQ32] @AMSAT bulls not being forwarded by MAILCHAT

      Following a complaint from one of my forwarding partners that he's receiving
      none of the KEPS orbital element bulls from GB7MAX (one of his users runs
      Keplarian software and relies on these bulls issued by CX2SA to keep his
      params updated), I've discovered a problem.
      CX2SA sends his bulls to KEPS@AMSAT.
      If I send a test bull to KEPS@WW, then GB7MAX forwards it fine.
      In my Global ALIAS window in the FORWARDING section of the BBS setup, I've
      got set:
      According to the documentation, this should cause my system to treat
      and therefore be forwarded on to my forward partners as a @WW bull.
      This is not working:-(
      If I do a L> KEPS on my system, I get (just using the most recent bulls):
      6973 16-Sep BN 7606 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11258.MISC
      6972 16-Sep BN 10076 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA 2Line Orbital Elements 11258.AMSAT
      6971 16-Sep BN 6592 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11258.WEATHER
      6970 16-Sep BN 8868 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11258.MICROS
      6969 16-Sep BN 3487 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11258.OSCAR
      6520 10-Sep BN 10075 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA 2Line Orbital Elements 11252.AMSAT
      6519 10-Sep BN 7802 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11252.MISC
      6518 10-Sep BN 6573 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11252.WEATHER
      6517 10-Sep BN 9081 KEPS @AMSAT CX2SA Orbital Elements 11252.MICROS

      As you can clearly see, they all have the BN status wheras they SHOULD have
      the B$ status. I've received them correctly from one of my forward partners
      but I'm not forwarding them onwards to my other partners which I should be!
      Why isn't GB7MAX forwarding them correctly??
      I've set it up as per the documentation.
      Either I've misunderstood things or something is not working correctly.
      Can anyone help?

      Chris G0CNG, Sysop GB7MAX running MailChat V BPQ-
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