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  • Mark Harloff
    Hi John, I just sent you a personel note so this reply may be moot. 1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point where it locks. 2) CTRL/C
    Message 1 of 19 , Oct 31, 2006
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      Hi John,

      I just sent you a 'personel' note so this reply may be moot.

      1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point where it locks.

      2) CTRL/C does not produce any response since the 'DOS BOX' is not
      accessible. ALL the boxes are locked up in the system tray at that point.

      - Mark K2CAN



      John Wiseman wrote:
      >
      >
      > Ok, Mark. I wonder if you could try a few things to help track doen the
      > problem? When the switch locks up, it is possible to access it from, for
      > instance, BPQTerminal? Is it possible to get a dump from BPQ32 (by
      > typing CTRL/C in the BPQ32 "DOS BOX")? Also could you run DebugView
      > (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
      > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>). This may
      > display additional debugging information from BPQ.
      >
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > John
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com]*On
      > Behalf Of *Mark Harloff
      > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2006 20:21
      > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      > *Subject:* Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
      >
      > Hi John and the group,
      >
      > Last night I uprev'd both dll's on the P4 to the latest versions
      > (creation dates). That did not solve the 'lockup' problem, in fact, it
      > made it worse.
      >
      > So, for now, I've gone back to the old configuration where BPQ32 and ARC
      > are running on the P4 and BPQ32 and WinFBB32 are running on a separate
      > machine here. Both machines are linked to the internet via a hub and
      > then into a adsl modem.
      >
      > 73, Mark K2CAN
      >
      > Mark Harloff wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi John and the group,
      > >
      > > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in version
      > > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
      > >
      > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running Version
      > > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
      > Win2K Pro
      > > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a different
      > > creation date.. 3/30/06.
      > >
      > > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
      > > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some point)
      > >
      > > *******************************************************************
      > >
      > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running Version
      > > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the Win2K
      > > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
      > 3/13/06.
      > >
      > > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
      > should
      > > be running ?
      > >
      > > *******************************************************************
      > >
      > > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
      > >
      > > 73, Mark K2CAN
      > >
      > > Mark Harloff wrote:
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Hi John,
      > >>
      > >> Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
      > ran BPQ32
      > >> 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same machine
      > (a 1.8
      > >> Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile (not
      > >> sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would continue
      > to run
      > >> even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication from
      > >> the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
      > BPQTerminal
      > >> console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
      > >>
      > >> I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
      > trying to
      > >> track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
      > the P4.
      > >> I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
      > >>
      > >> Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
      > will be
      > >> a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the same
      > >> switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
      > >>
      > >> 73, Mark K2CAN
      > >>
      > >> John Wiseman wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> Hi Mark,
      > >>>
      > >>> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for testing,
      > >>> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
      > WinFBB,
      > >>> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster.
      > AR-Cluster can
      > >>> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some other
      > >>> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
      > section of
      > >>> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
      > suggest anyone
      > >>> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
      > problems with
      > >>> the original.
      > >>>
      > >>> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
      > >>> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
      > BBSCALL. By
      > >>> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change this
      > with
      > >>> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
      > applications by
      > >>> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
      > command. I
      > >>> am working on a version which will allow each application have
      > it's own
      > >>> L4 call and alias.
      > >>>
      > >>> Regards,
      > >>>
      > >>> John
      > > <snip>
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > No virus found in this incoming message.
      > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
      > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: 10/31/2006
      >
    • MIchael Melnik Sr.
      Mark, K2CAN WinFbb 7.01-35 uses 2 to 4% of processor under normal operation, how ever when forwarding takes place either Telnet or Calls to BPQ for R.F
      Message 2 of 19 , Nov 1, 2006
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        Mark, K2CAN
        WinFbb 7.01-35 uses 2 to 4% of processor under normal operation,
        how ever when forwarding takes place either Telnet or Calls to BPQ
        for R.F Forwarding it will peak out at 98% leaving only 2% left
        for other programs such as your ARC, The BPQ32.dll solves the
        monitoring of all ports problem, all these operations accuring at
        one time is more then likely the lock up problem, by using two
        computers ARC on one and WinFbb on the other is less processor
        intensive, I don't know if this will help, try changing the
        compatibilty in WinFbb and Bpq, Right click on the .EXE, Properities
        I run mine on my Xp at W2K.

        I am not sure if you are using mutilple AXIP UDP Ports, previous
        versions of BPQ32 409UBetaMay2006 wont support Multiple UDP Ports
        You will get a Bad Record Record Error in the Dos Box when Bpq.exe
        starts up, these are just a couple of thoughts.

        Mike/N9PMO
        --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Mark Harloff <mharloff@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi John,
        >
        > I just sent you a 'personel' note so this reply may be moot.
        >
        > 1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point where
        it locks.
        >
        > 2) CTRL/C does not produce any response since the 'DOS BOX' is not
        > accessible. ALL the boxes are locked up in the system tray at that
        point.
        >
        > - Mark K2CAN
        >
        >
        >
        > John Wiseman wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > Ok, Mark. I wonder if you could try a few things to help track
        doen the
        > > problem? When the switch locks up, it is possible to access it
        from, for
        > > instance, BPQTerminal? Is it possible to get a dump from BPQ32
        (by
        > > typing CTRL/C in the BPQ32 "DOS BOX")? Also could you run
        DebugView
        > > (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
        > > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>). This
        may
        > > display additional debugging information from BPQ.
        > >
        > >
        > > Thanks,
        > >
        > > John
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com]
        *On
        > > Behalf Of *Mark Harloff
        > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2006 20:21
        > > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        > > *Subject:* Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
        > >
        > > Hi John and the group,
        > >
        > > Last night I uprev'd both dll's on the P4 to the latest
        versions
        > > (creation dates). That did not solve the 'lockup' problem,
        in fact, it
        > > made it worse.
        > >
        > > So, for now, I've gone back to the old configuration where
        BPQ32 and ARC
        > > are running on the P4 and BPQ32 and WinFBB32 are running on
        a separate
        > > machine here. Both machines are linked to the internet via a
        hub and
        > > then into a adsl modem.
        > >
        > > 73, Mark K2CAN
        > >
        > > Mark Harloff wrote:
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Hi John and the group,
        > > >
        > > > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is
        difference in version
        > > > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
        > > >
        > > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
        running Version
        > > > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on
        the
        > > Win2K Pro
        > > > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but
        a different
        > > > creation date.. 3/30/06.
        > > >
        > > > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
        > > > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at
        some point)
        > > >
        > > >
        *******************************************************************
        > > >
        > > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
        running Version
        > > > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running
        on the Win2K
        > > > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also
        created on
        > > 3/13/06.
        > > >
        > > > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the
        one I
        > > should
        > > > be running ?
        > > >
        > > >
        *******************************************************************
        > > >
        > > > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the
        problem here.
        > > >
        > > > 73, Mark K2CAN
        > > >
        > > > Mark Harloff wrote:
        > > >>
        > > >>
        > > >> Hi John,
        > > >>
        > > >> Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that
        when I
        > > ran BPQ32
        > > >> 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
        machine
        > > (a 1.8
        > > >> Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after
        awhile (not
        > > >> sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
        continue
        > > to run
        > > >> even though the switch was locked. There was no fault
        indication from
        > > >> the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from
        a
        > > BPQTerminal
        > > >> console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
        > > >>
        > > >> I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here
        and am
        > > trying to
        > > >> track down the source of the problem by recreating the
        setup on
        > > the P4.
        > > >> I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
        > > >>
        > > >> Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each
        application
        > > will be
        > > >> a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications
        on the same
        > > >> switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
        > > >>
        > > >> 73, Mark K2CAN
        > > >>
        > > >> John Wiseman wrote:
        > > >>>
        > > >>>
        > > >>> Hi Mark,
        > > >>>
        > > >>> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it
        for testing,
        > > >>> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35
        Alpha of
        > > WinFBB,
        > > >>> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster.
        > > AR-Cluster can
        > > >>> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as
        some other
        > > >>> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the
        files
        > > section of
        > > >>> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
        > > suggest anyone
        > > >>> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes
        other
        > > problems with
        > > >>> the original.
        > > >>>
        > > >>> With the current version, each application can have it's
        own L2
        > > >>> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom)
        call
        > > BBSCALL. By
        > > >>> default this is application 1, but it is possible to
        change this
        > > with
        > > >>> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
        > > applications by
        > > >>> connecting first to the node, then entering the
        appropriate
        > > command. I
        > > >>> am working on a version which will allow each
        application have
        > > it's own
        > > >>> L4 call and alias.
        > > >>>
        > > >>> Regards,
        > > >>>
        > > >>> John
        > > > <snip>
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
        -------
        > >
        > > No virus found in this incoming message.
        > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
        > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date:
        10/31/2006
        > >
        >
      • Mark Harloff
        Hi Mike, The problem was with the versions of the bpq and bpq32 dlls I was using. I uprev d to the latest versions and that eliminated the lockup problem.
        Message 3 of 19 , Nov 1, 2006
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          Hi Mike,

          The problem was with the versions of the bpq and bpq32 dlls I was using.
          I uprev'd to the latest versions and that eliminated the lockup problem.

          There is saturation of the CPU from time to time on All the machines
          here but that does not affect any one or more of the applications I have
          running on any of the machines to the extent of locking up the
          application. It slows them down a bit, but that's all.

          I run multiple UDP ports on the switch. But, as you mentioned, the
          newest switch release handles that fine.

          There is another problem with WinFBB32's telnet dll that I am currently
          working on tracking down. This is unrelated to the earlier 'lockup'
          problem. I try to keep the group posted on that.

          IF you (or anyone else) is running a telnet port for forwarding in
          WinFBB32 it would help me if you could check the version of the tln.dll
          you are using and let me know what it is.
          (right click on the file, left click 'properties' and read the 'version'
          tab info)

          Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate them!

          - Mark K2CAN


          MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
          >
          >
          > Mark, K2CAN
          > WinFbb 7.01-35 uses 2 to 4% of processor under normal operation,
          > how ever when forwarding takes place either Telnet or Calls to BPQ
          > for R.F Forwarding it will peak out at 98% leaving only 2% left
          > for other programs such as your ARC, The BPQ32.dll solves the
          > monitoring of all ports problem, all these operations accuring at
          > one time is more then likely the lock up problem, by using two
          > computers ARC on one and WinFbb on the other is less processor
          > intensive, I don't know if this will help, try changing the
          > compatibilty in WinFbb and Bpq, Right click on the .EXE, Properities
          > I run mine on my Xp at W2K.
          >
          > I am not sure if you are using mutilple AXIP UDP Ports, previous
          > versions of BPQ32 409UBetaMay2006 wont support Multiple UDP Ports
          > You will get a Bad Record Record Error in the Dos Box when Bpq.exe
          > starts up, these are just a couple of thoughts.
          >
          > Mike/N9PMO
          > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>, Mark
          > Harloff <mharloff@...> wrote:
          >>
          >> Hi John,
          >>
          >> I just sent you a 'personel' note so this reply may be moot.
          >>
          >> 1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point where
          > it locks.
          >>
          >> 2) CTRL/C does not produce any response since the 'DOS BOX' is not
          >> accessible. ALL the boxes are locked up in the system tray at that
          > point.
          >>
          >> - Mark K2CAN
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> John Wiseman wrote:
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > Ok, Mark. I wonder if you could try a few things to help track
          > doen the
          >> > problem? When the switch locks up, it is possible to access it
          > from, for
          >> > instance, BPQTerminal? Is it possible to get a dump from BPQ32
          > (by
          >> > typing CTRL/C in the BPQ32 "DOS BOX")? Also could you run
          > DebugView
          >> > (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
          > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>
          >> > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
          > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>>). This
          > may
          >> > display additional debugging information from BPQ.
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > Thanks,
          >> >
          >> > John
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > -----Original Message-----
          >> > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
          > [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>]
          > *On
          >> > Behalf Of *Mark Harloff
          >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2006 20:21
          >> > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
          >> > *Subject:* Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
          >> >
          >> > Hi John and the group,
          >> >
          >> > Last night I uprev'd both dll's on the P4 to the latest
          > versions
          >> > (creation dates). That did not solve the 'lockup' problem,
          > in fact, it
          >> > made it worse.
          >> >
          >> > So, for now, I've gone back to the old configuration where
          > BPQ32 and ARC
          >> > are running on the P4 and BPQ32 and WinFBB32 are running on
          > a separate
          >> > machine here. Both machines are linked to the internet via a
          > hub and
          >> > then into a adsl modem.
          >> >
          >> > 73, Mark K2CAN
          >> >
          >> > Mark Harloff wrote:
          >> > >
          >> > >
          >> > > Hi John and the group,
          >> > >
          >> > > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is
          > difference in version
          >> > > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
          >> > >
          >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
          > running Version
          >> > > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on
          > the
          >> > Win2K Pro
          >> > > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but
          > a different
          >> > > creation date.. 3/30/06.
          >> > >
          >> > > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
          >> > > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at
          > some point)
          >> > >
          >> > >
          > *******************************************************************
          >> > >
          >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
          > running Version
          >> > > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running
          > on the Win2K
          >> > > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also
          > created on
          >> > 3/13/06.
          >> > >
          >> > > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the
          > one I
          >> > should
          >> > > be running ?
          >> > >
          >> > >
          > *******************************************************************
          >> > >
          >> > > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the
          > problem here.
          >> > >
          >> > > 73, Mark K2CAN
          >> > >
          >> > > Mark Harloff wrote:
          >> > >>
          >> > >>
          >> > >> Hi John,
          >> > >>
          >> > >> Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that
          > when I
          >> > ran BPQ32
          >> > >> 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
          > machine
          >> > (a 1.8
          >> > >> Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after
          > awhile (not
          >> > >> sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
          > continue
          >> > to run
          >> > >> even though the switch was locked. There was no fault
          > indication from
          >> > >> the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from
          > a
          >> > BPQTerminal
          >> > >> console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
          >> > >>
          >> > >> I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here
          > and am
          >> > trying to
          >> > >> track down the source of the problem by recreating the
          > setup on
          >> > the P4.
          >> > >> I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
          >> > >>
          >> > >> Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each
          > application
          >> > will be
          >> > >> a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications
          > on the same
          >> > >> switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
          >> > >>
          >> > >> 73, Mark K2CAN
          >> > >>
          >> > >> John Wiseman wrote:
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>> Hi Mark,
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it
          > for testing,
          >> > >>> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35
          > Alpha of
          >> > WinFBB,
          >> > >>> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster.
          >> > AR-Cluster can
          >> > >>> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as
          > some other
          >> > >>> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the
          > files
          >> > section of
          >> > >>> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
          >> > suggest anyone
          >> > >>> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes
          > other
          >> > problems with
          >> > >>> the original.
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>> With the current version, each application can have it's
          > own L2
          >> > >>> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom)
          > call
          >> > BBSCALL. By
          >> > >>> default this is application 1, but it is possible to
          > change this
          >> > with
          >> > >>> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
          >> > applications by
          >> > >>> connecting first to the node, then entering the
          > appropriate
          >> > command. I
          >> > >>> am working on a version which will allow each
          > application have
          >> > it's own
          >> > >>> L4 call and alias.
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>> Regards,
          >> > >>>
          >> > >>> John
          >> > > <snip>
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > -------
          >> >
          >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
          >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
          >> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date:
          > 10/31/2006
          >> >
          >>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > No virus found in this incoming message.
          > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
          > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006
        • MIchael Melnik Sr.
          Mark, The TLN.dll i am using is may 13 2001, The one that is in the WinFbb20.exe i had a problem with, I set up WinFbb 7.01 Alpha, BPQ32U Beta May 2006 and
          Message 4 of 19 , Nov 1, 2006
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            Mark, The TLN.dll i am using is may 13 2001, The one that is in the
            WinFbb20.exe i had a problem with, I set up WinFbb 7.01 Alpha, BPQ32U
            Beta May 2006 and AGWPE on Roger, G3LDI machine, He also is using
            ARC Payed for Version, with RF DX Spots, he also is having the same
            Problem as you are, On my BBS i use the special Apps. in BPQ for my
            DX Cluster to Ron's N5IN, i know this wont help you as you have
            a Running DXC, sorry i can't come up with any other answers with the
            problem you are having, I am in the process of writing the setup and
            install instructions for 7.01A, They will be on the BPQ Users Web
            Site..If you need any .dll's let me know..Mike/N9PMO

            --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Mark Harloff <mharloff@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi Mike,
            >
            > The problem was with the versions of the bpq and bpq32 dlls I was
            using.
            > I uprev'd to the latest versions and that eliminated the lockup
            problem.
            >
            > There is saturation of the CPU from time to time on All the
            machines
            > here but that does not affect any one or more of the applications
            I have
            > running on any of the machines to the extent of locking up the
            > application. It slows them down a bit, but that's all.
            >
            > I run multiple UDP ports on the switch. But, as you mentioned, the
            > newest switch release handles that fine.
            >
            > There is another problem with WinFBB32's telnet dll that I am
            currently
            > working on tracking down. This is unrelated to the earlier 'lockup'
            > problem. I try to keep the group posted on that.
            >
            > IF you (or anyone else) is running a telnet port for forwarding in
            > WinFBB32 it would help me if you could check the version of the
            tln.dll
            > you are using and let me know what it is.
            > (right click on the file, left click 'properties' and read
            the 'version'
            > tab info)
            >
            > Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate them!
            >
            > - Mark K2CAN
            >
            >
            > MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > Mark, K2CAN
            > > WinFbb 7.01-35 uses 2 to 4% of processor under normal operation,
            > > how ever when forwarding takes place either Telnet or Calls to
            BPQ
            > > for R.F Forwarding it will peak out at 98% leaving only 2% left
            > > for other programs such as your ARC, The BPQ32.dll solves the
            > > monitoring of all ports problem, all these operations accuring at
            > > one time is more then likely the lock up problem, by using two
            > > computers ARC on one and WinFbb on the other is less processor
            > > intensive, I don't know if this will help, try changing the
            > > compatibilty in WinFbb and Bpq, Right click on the .EXE,
            Properities
            > > I run mine on my Xp at W2K.
            > >
            > > I am not sure if you are using mutilple AXIP UDP Ports, previous
            > > versions of BPQ32 409UBetaMay2006 wont support Multiple UDP Ports
            > > You will get a Bad Record Record Error in the Dos Box when
            Bpq.exe
            > > starts up, these are just a couple of thoughts.
            > >
            > > Mike/N9PMO
            > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>,
            Mark
            > > Harloff <mharloff@> wrote:
            > >>
            > >> Hi John,
            > >>
            > >> I just sent you a 'personel' note so this reply may be moot.
            > >>
            > >> 1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point
            where
            > > it locks.
            > >>
            > >> 2) CTRL/C does not produce any response since the 'DOS BOX' is
            not
            > >> accessible. ALL the boxes are locked up in the system tray at
            that
            > > point.
            > >>
            > >> - Mark K2CAN
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> John Wiseman wrote:
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> > Ok, Mark. I wonder if you could try a few things to help track
            > > doen the
            > >> > problem? When the switch locks up, it is possible to access it
            > > from, for
            > >> > instance, BPQTerminal? Is it possible to get a dump from BPQ32
            > > (by
            > >> > typing CTRL/C in the BPQ32 "DOS BOX")? Also could you run
            > > DebugView
            > >> > (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
            > > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>
            > >> > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
            > > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>>). This
            > > may
            > >> > display additional debugging information from BPQ.
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> > Thanks,
            > >> >
            > >> > John
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> > -----Original Message-----
            > >> > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
            > > [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>]
            > > *On
            > >> > Behalf Of *Mark Harloff
            > >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2006 20:21
            > >> > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
            > >> > *Subject:* Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
            > >> >
            > >> > Hi John and the group,
            > >> >
            > >> > Last night I uprev'd both dll's on the P4 to the latest
            > > versions
            > >> > (creation dates). That did not solve the 'lockup' problem,
            > > in fact, it
            > >> > made it worse.
            > >> >
            > >> > So, for now, I've gone back to the old configuration where
            > > BPQ32 and ARC
            > >> > are running on the P4 and BPQ32 and WinFBB32 are running on
            > > a separate
            > >> > machine here. Both machines are linked to the internet via a
            > > hub and
            > >> > then into a adsl modem.
            > >> >
            > >> > 73, Mark K2CAN
            > >> >
            > >> > Mark Harloff wrote:
            > >> > >
            > >> > >
            > >> > > Hi John and the group,
            > >> > >
            > >> > > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is
            > > difference in version
            > >> > > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
            > >> > >
            > >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
            > > running Version
            > >> > > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on
            > > the
            > >> > Win2K Pro
            > >> > > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but
            > > a different
            > >> > > creation date.. 3/30/06.
            > >> > >
            > >> > > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
            > >> > > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at
            > > some point)
            > >> > >
            > >> > >
            > >
            *******************************************************************
            > >> > >
            > >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
            > > running Version
            > >> > > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running
            > > on the Win2K
            > >> > > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also
            > > created on
            > >> > 3/13/06.
            > >> > >
            > >> > > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the
            > > one I
            > >> > should
            > >> > > be running ?
            > >> > >
            > >> > >
            > >
            *******************************************************************
            > >> > >
            > >> > > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the
            > > problem here.
            > >> > >
            > >> > > 73, Mark K2CAN
            > >> > >
            > >> > > Mark Harloff wrote:
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> Hi John,
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that
            > > when I
            > >> > ran BPQ32
            > >> > >> 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
            > > machine
            > >> > (a 1.8
            > >> > >> Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after
            > > awhile (not
            > >> > >> sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
            > > continue
            > >> > to run
            > >> > >> even though the switch was locked. There was no fault
            > > indication from
            > >> > >> the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from
            > > a
            > >> > BPQTerminal
            > >> > >> console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here
            > > and am
            > >> > trying to
            > >> > >> track down the source of the problem by recreating the
            > > setup on
            > >> > the P4.
            > >> > >> I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each
            > > application
            > >> > will be
            > >> > >> a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications
            > > on the same
            > >> > >> switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> 73, Mark K2CAN
            > >> > >>
            > >> > >> John Wiseman wrote:
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>> Hi Mark,
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it
            > > for testing,
            > >> > >>> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35
            > > Alpha of
            > >> > WinFBB,
            > >> > >>> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster.
            > >> > AR-Cluster can
            > >> > >>> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as
            > > some other
            > >> > >>> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the
            > > files
            > >> > section of
            > >> > >>> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
            > >> > suggest anyone
            > >> > >>> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes
            > > other
            > >> > problems with
            > >> > >>> the original.
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>> With the current version, each application can have it's
            > > own L2
            > >> > >>> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom)
            > > call
            > >> > BBSCALL. By
            > >> > >>> default this is application 1, but it is possible to
            > > change this
            > >> > with
            > >> > >>> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
            > >> > applications by
            > >> > >>> connecting first to the node, then entering the
            > > appropriate
            > >> > command. I
            > >> > >>> am working on a version which will allow each
            > > application have
            > >> > it's own
            > >> > >>> L4 call and alias.
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>> Regards,
            > >> > >>>
            > >> > >>> John
            > >> > > <snip>
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> >
            > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            > > -------
            > >> >
            > >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
            > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
            > >> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release
            Date:
            > > 10/31/2006
            > >> >
            > >>
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
            -------
            > >
            > > No virus found in this incoming message.
            > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
            > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date:
            11/1/2006
            >
          • Mark Harloff
            Hi Mike, I changed the bpq.dll in WinFBB32 to version 1.6.0.0 and that fixed the tcpip stack problem. Everything is running well now. Thanks for your feedback.
            Message 5 of 19 , Nov 1, 2006
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              Hi Mike,

              I changed the bpq.dll in WinFBB32 to version 1.6.0.0 and that fixed the
              tcpip stack problem.

              Everything is running well now.

              Thanks for your feedback.

              - Mark K2CAN


              MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
              >
              >
              > Mark, The TLN.dll i am using is may 13 2001, The one that is in the
              > WinFbb20.exe i had a problem with, I set up WinFbb 7.01 Alpha, BPQ32U
              > Beta May 2006 and AGWPE on Roger, G3LDI machine, He also is using
              > ARC Payed for Version, with RF DX Spots, he also is having the same
              > Problem as you are, On my BBS i use the special Apps. in BPQ for my
              > DX Cluster to Ron's N5IN, i know this wont help you as you have
              > a Running DXC, sorry i can't come up with any other answers with the
              > problem you are having, I am in the process of writing the setup and
              > install instructions for 7.01A, They will be on the BPQ Users Web
              > Site..If you need any .dll's let me know..Mike/N9PMO
              >
              > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>, Mark
              > Harloff <mharloff@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Hi Mike,
              >>
              >> The problem was with the versions of the bpq and bpq32 dlls I was
              > using.
              >> I uprev'd to the latest versions and that eliminated the lockup
              > problem.
              >>
              >> There is saturation of the CPU from time to time on All the
              > machines
              >> here but that does not affect any one or more of the applications
              > I have
              >> running on any of the machines to the extent of locking up the
              >> application. It slows them down a bit, but that's all.
              >>
              >> I run multiple UDP ports on the switch. But, as you mentioned, the
              >> newest switch release handles that fine.
              >>
              >> There is another problem with WinFBB32's telnet dll that I am
              > currently
              >> working on tracking down. This is unrelated to the earlier 'lockup'
              >> problem. I try to keep the group posted on that.
              >>
              >> IF you (or anyone else) is running a telnet port for forwarding in
              >> WinFBB32 it would help me if you could check the version of the
              > tln.dll
              >> you are using and let me know what it is.
              >> (right click on the file, left click 'properties' and read
              > the 'version'
              >> tab info)
              >>
              >> Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate them!
              >>
              >> - Mark K2CAN
              >>
              >>
              >> MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > Mark, K2CAN
              >> > WinFbb 7.01-35 uses 2 to 4% of processor under normal operation,
              >> > how ever when forwarding takes place either Telnet or Calls to
              > BPQ
              >> > for R.F Forwarding it will peak out at 98% leaving only 2% left
              >> > for other programs such as your ARC, The BPQ32.dll solves the
              >> > monitoring of all ports problem, all these operations accuring at
              >> > one time is more then likely the lock up problem, by using two
              >> > computers ARC on one and WinFbb on the other is less processor
              >> > intensive, I don't know if this will help, try changing the
              >> > compatibilty in WinFbb and Bpq, Right click on the .EXE,
              > Properities
              >> > I run mine on my Xp at W2K.
              >> >
              >> > I am not sure if you are using mutilple AXIP UDP Ports, previous
              >> > versions of BPQ32 409UBetaMay2006 wont support Multiple UDP Ports
              >> > You will get a Bad Record Record Error in the Dos Box when
              > Bpq.exe
              >> > starts up, these are just a couple of thoughts.
              >> >
              >> > Mike/N9PMO
              >> > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>,
              > Mark
              >> > Harloff <mharloff@> wrote:
              >> >>
              >> >> Hi John,
              >> >>
              >> >> I just sent you a 'personel' note so this reply may be moot.
              >> >>
              >> >> 1) I cannot access the switch from BPQTerminal at the point
              > where
              >> > it locks.
              >> >>
              >> >> 2) CTRL/C does not produce any response since the 'DOS BOX' is
              > not
              >> >> accessible. ALL the boxes are locked up in the system tray at
              > that
              >> > point.
              >> >>
              >> >> - Mark K2CAN
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> John Wiseman wrote:
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Ok, Mark. I wonder if you could try a few things to help track
              >> > doen the
              >> >> > problem? When the switch locks up, it is possible to access it
              >> > from, for
              >> >> > instance, BPQTerminal? Is it possible to get a dump from BPQ32
              >> > (by
              >> >> > typing CTRL/C in the BPQ32 "DOS BOX")? Also could you run
              >> > DebugView
              >> >> > (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
              > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>
              >> > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
              > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>>
              >> >> > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
              > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>
              >> > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html
              > <http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/DebugView.html>>>). This
              >> > may
              >> >> > display additional debugging information from BPQ.
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Thanks,
              >> >> >
              >> >> > John
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> > -----Original Message-----
              >> >> > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              >> > [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>]
              >> > *On
              >> >> > Behalf Of *Mark Harloff
              >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2006 20:21
              >> >> > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
              >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Hi John and the group,
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Last night I uprev'd both dll's on the P4 to the latest
              >> > versions
              >> >> > (creation dates). That did not solve the 'lockup' problem,
              >> > in fact, it
              >> >> > made it worse.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > So, for now, I've gone back to the old configuration where
              >> > BPQ32 and ARC
              >> >> > are running on the P4 and BPQ32 and WinFBB32 are running on
              >> > a separate
              >> >> > machine here. Both machines are linked to the internet via a
              >> > hub and
              >> >> > then into a adsl modem.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > 73, Mark K2CAN
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Mark Harloff wrote:
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > Hi John and the group,
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is
              >> > difference in version
              >> >> > > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
              >> > running Version
              >> >> > > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on
              >> > the
              >> >> > Win2K Pro
              >> >> > > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but
              >> > a different
              >> >> > > creation date.. 3/30/06.
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
              >> >> > > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at
              >> > some point)
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > >
              >> >
              > *******************************************************************
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was
              >> > running Version
              >> >> > > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running
              >> > on the Win2K
              >> >> > > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also
              >> > created on
              >> >> > 3/13/06.
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the
              >> > one I
              >> >> > should
              >> >> > > be running ?
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > >
              >> >
              > *******************************************************************
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the
              >> > problem here.
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > 73, Mark K2CAN
              >> >> > >
              >> >> > > Mark Harloff wrote:
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> Hi John,
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that
              >> > when I
              >> >> > ran BPQ32
              >> >> > >> 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
              >> > machine
              >> >> > (a 1.8
              >> >> > >> Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after
              >> > awhile (not
              >> >> > >> sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
              >> > continue
              >> >> > to run
              >> >> > >> even though the switch was locked. There was no fault
              >> > indication from
              >> >> > >> the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from
              >> > a
              >> >> > BPQTerminal
              >> >> > >> console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here
              >> > and am
              >> >> > trying to
              >> >> > >> track down the source of the problem by recreating the
              >> > setup on
              >> >> > the P4.
              >> >> > >> I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each
              >> > application
              >> >> > will be
              >> >> > >> a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications
              >> > on the same
              >> >> > >> switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> 73, Mark K2CAN
              >> >> > >>
              >> >> > >> John Wiseman wrote:
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>> Hi Mark,
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it
              >> > for testing,
              >> >> > >>> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35
              >> > Alpha of
              >> >> > WinFBB,
              >> >> > >>> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster.
              >> >> > AR-Cluster can
              >> >> > >>> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as
              >> > some other
              >> >> > >>> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the
              >> > files
              >> >> > section of
              >> >> > >>> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
              >> >> > suggest anyone
              >> >> > >>> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes
              >> > other
              >> >> > problems with
              >> >> > >>> the original.
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>> With the current version, each application can have it's
              >> > own L2
              >> >> > >>> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom)
              >> > call
              >> >> > BBSCALL. By
              >> >> > >>> default this is application 1, but it is possible to
              >> > change this
              >> >> > with
              >> >> > >>> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
              >> >> > applications by
              >> >> > >>> connecting first to the node, then entering the
              >> > appropriate
              >> >> > command. I
              >> >> > >>> am working on a version which will allow each
              >> > application have
              >> >> > it's own
              >> >> > >>> L4 call and alias.
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>> Regards,
              >> >> > >>>
              >> >> > >>> John
              >> >> > > <snip>
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
              >> > -------
              >> >> >
              >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
              >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
              >> >> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release
              > Date:
              >> > 10/31/2006
              >> >> >
              >> >>
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
              > -------
              >> >
              >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
              >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
              >> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date:
              > 11/1/2006
              >>
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > No virus found in this incoming message.
              > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
              > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006
            • Roger Cooke
              Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same here, and never did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32 on one
              Message 6 of 19 , Nov 3, 2006
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                Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same here, and never
                did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32 on one machine
                and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The BBS machine
                talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now, with one or two minor
                problems with FBB.
                  Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the way! If only
                there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped.   It is disappointing that the new
                32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in the 16 bit version, as
                they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write programs!
                 
                Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                Swardeston, Norfolk.


                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32

                Hi John and the group,

                I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in version
                of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.

                On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running Version
                1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the Win2K Pro
                machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a different
                creation date.. 3/30/06.

                I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some point)

                ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *

                On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running Version
                4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the Win2K
                Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on 3/13/06.

                I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I should
                be running ?

                ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *

                I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.

                73, Mark K2CAN

                Mark Harloff wrote:

                >
                >
                > Hi John,
                >
                > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I ran BPQ32
                > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same machine (a 1.8
                > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile (not
                > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would continue to run
                > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication from
                > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a BPQTerminal
                > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                >
                > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am trying to
                > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on the P4.
                > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                >
                > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application will be
                > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the same
                > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                >
                > 73, Mark K2CAN
                >
                > John Wiseman wrote:
                >>
                >>
                >> Hi Mark,
                >>
                >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for testing,
                >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of WinFBB,
                >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-Cluster can
                >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some other
                >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files section of
                >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I suggest anyone
                >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other problems with
                >> the original.
                >>
                >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call BBSCALL. By
                >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change this with
                >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other applications by
                >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate command. I
                >> am working on a version which will allow each application have it's own
                >> L4 call and alias.
                >>
                >> Regards,
                >>
                >> John
                <snip>




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              • MIchael Melnik Sr.
                Mark, K2CAN I did send Roger your .dll s and he has replaced them, he will let us know if it solves his problems as well, Thanks Mike/N9PMO ... here, and never
                Message 7 of 19 , Nov 3, 2006
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                  Mark, K2CAN
                  I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                  he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                  Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                  --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Roger Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                  here, and never
                  > did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                  on one machine
                  > and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                  BBS machine
                  > talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                  with one or two minor
                  > problems with FBB.
                  > Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                  way! If only
                  > there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                  disappointing that the new
                  > 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                  the 16 bit version, as
                  > they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                  programs!
                  >
                  > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                  > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message ----
                  > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                  > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi John and the group,
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                  version
                  >
                  > of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                  Version
                  >
                  > 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                  Win2K Pro
                  >
                  > machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                  different
                  >
                  > creation date.. 3/30/06.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                  >
                  > (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                  point)
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                  ********* *
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                  Version
                  >
                  > 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                  Win2K
                  >
                  > Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                  3/13/06.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                  should
                  >
                  > be running ?
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                  ********* *
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > 73, Mark K2CAN
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Mark Harloff wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Hi John,
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                  ran BPQ32
                  >
                  > > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                  machine (a 1.8
                  >
                  > > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                  (not
                  >
                  > > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                  continue to run
                  >
                  > > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                  from
                  >
                  > > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                  BPQTerminal
                  >
                  > > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                  trying to
                  >
                  > > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                  the P4.
                  >
                  > > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                  will be
                  >
                  > > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                  same
                  >
                  > > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > 73, Mark K2CAN
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                  > > John Wiseman wrote:
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >> Hi Mark,
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                  testing,
                  >
                  > >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                  WinFBB,
                  >
                  > >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                  Cluster can
                  >
                  > >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                  other
                  >
                  > >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                  section of
                  >
                  > >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                  suggest anyone
                  >
                  > >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                  problems with
                  >
                  > >> the original.
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                  >
                  > >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                  BBSCALL. By
                  >
                  > >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                  this with
                  >
                  > >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                  applications by
                  >
                  > >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                  command. I
                  >
                  > >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                  it's own
                  >
                  > >> L4 call and alias.
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >> Regards,
                  >
                  > >>
                  >
                  > >> John
                  >
                  > <snip>
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                • Mark Harloff
                  Ok Mike, sounds good. They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had. - Mark K2CAN
                  Message 8 of 19 , Nov 3, 2006
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                    Ok Mike, sounds good.

                    They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had.

                    - Mark K2CAN


                    MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Mark, K2CAN
                    > I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                    > he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                    > Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                    > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>, Roger
                    > Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                    >>
                    >> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                    > here, and never
                    >> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                    > on one machine
                    >> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                    > BBS machine
                    >> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                    > with one or two minor
                    >> problems with FBB.
                    >> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                    > way! If only
                    >> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                    > disappointing that the new
                    >> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                    > the 16 bit version, as
                    >> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                    > programs!
                    >>
                    >> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                    >> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message ----
                    >> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                    >> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Hi John and the group,
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                    > version
                    >>
                    >> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                    > Version
                    >>
                    >> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                    > Win2K Pro
                    >>
                    >> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                    > different
                    >>
                    >> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                    >>
                    >> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                    > point)
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                    > ********* *
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                    > Version
                    >>
                    >> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                    > Win2K
                    >>
                    >> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                    > 3/13/06.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                    > should
                    >>
                    >> be running ?
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                    > ********* *
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> 73, Mark K2CAN
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Mark Harloff wrote:
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > Hi John,
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                    > ran BPQ32
                    >>
                    >> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                    > machine (a 1.8
                    >>
                    >> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                    > (not
                    >>
                    >> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                    > continue to run
                    >>
                    >> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                    > from
                    >>
                    >> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                    > BPQTerminal
                    >>
                    >> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                    > trying to
                    >>
                    >> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                    > the P4.
                    >>
                    >> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                    > will be
                    >>
                    >> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                    > same
                    >>
                    >> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >> > John Wiseman wrote:
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >> Hi Mark,
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                    > testing,
                    >>
                    >> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                    > WinFBB,
                    >>
                    >> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                    > Cluster can
                    >>
                    >> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                    > other
                    >>
                    >> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                    > section of
                    >>
                    >> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                    > suggest anyone
                    >>
                    >> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                    > problems with
                    >>
                    >> >> the original.
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                    >>
                    >> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                    > BBSCALL. By
                    >>
                    >> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                    > this with
                    >>
                    >> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                    > applications by
                    >>
                    >> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                    > command. I
                    >>
                    >> >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                    > it's own
                    >>
                    >> >> L4 call and alias.
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >> Regards,
                    >>
                    >> >>
                    >>
                    >> >> John
                    >>
                    >> <snip>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
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                  • Roger Cooke
                    Hi Mark and others... I replaced those DLL s and a couple of days after doing so I came into the shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those
                    Message 9 of 19 , Nov 8, 2006
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                      Hi Mark and others...

                         I replaced those DLL's and a couple of days after doing so I came into the
                      shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those that is causing my
                      problem.
                         As for "all on one machine" I won't go there again. I have the two running anyway,
                      with the Satgate on one, so have the Cluster on there now and it works fine.

                      73 de Roger, G3LDI
                       
                      Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                      Swardeston, Norfolk.


                      ----- Original Message ----
                      From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 6:40:54 PM
                      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32

                      Ok Mike, sounds good.

                      They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had.

                      - Mark K2CAN

                      MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > Mark, K2CAN
                      > I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                      > he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                      > Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                      > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>, Roger
                      > Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                      > here, and never
                      >> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                      > on one machine
                      >> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                      > BBS machine
                      >> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                      > with one or two minor
                      >> problems with FBB.
                      >> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                      > way! If only
                      >> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                      > disappointing that the new
                      >> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                      > the 16 bit version, as
                      >> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                      > programs!
                      >>
                      >> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                      >> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message ----
                      >> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@.. .>
                      >> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      >> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                      >> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Hi John and the group,
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                      > version
                      >>
                      >> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                      > Version
                      >>
                      >> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                      > Win2K Pro
                      >>
                      >> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                      > different
                      >>
                      >> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                      >>
                      >> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                      > point)
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                      > ********* *
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                      > Version
                      >>
                      >> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                      > Win2K
                      >>
                      >> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                      > 3/13/06.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                      > should
                      >>
                      >> be running ?
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                      > ********* *
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> 73, Mark K2CAN
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Mark Harloff wrote:
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > Hi John,
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                      > ran BPQ32
                      >>
                      >> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                      > machine (a 1.8
                      >>
                      >> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                      > (not
                      >>
                      >> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                      > continue to run
                      >>
                      >> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                      > from
                      >>
                      >> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                      > BPQTerminal
                      >>
                      >> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                      > trying to
                      >>
                      >> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                      > the P4.
                      >>
                      >> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                      > will be
                      >>
                      >> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                      > same
                      >>
                      >> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> > John Wiseman wrote:
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >> Hi Mark,
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                      > testing,
                      >>
                      >> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                      > WinFBB,
                      >>
                      >> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                      > Cluster can
                      >>
                      >> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                      > other
                      >>
                      >> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                      > section of
                      >>
                      >> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                      > suggest anyone
                      >>
                      >> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                      > problems with
                      >>
                      >> >> the original.
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                      >>
                      >> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                      > BBSCALL. By
                      >>
                      >> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                      > this with
                      >>
                      >> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                      > applications by
                      >>
                      >> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                      > command. I
                      >>
                      >> >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                      > it's own
                      >>
                      >> >> L4 call and alias.
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >> Regards,
                      >>
                      >> >>
                      >>
                      >> >> John
                      >>
                      >> <snip>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
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                    • Mark Harloff
                      Hi Roger, Sorry to hear that the dll s did not fix your problem. I wasn t aware of the white screen bit. That is definitely not a dll problem. Are the
                      Message 10 of 19 , Nov 8, 2006
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                        Hi Roger,

                        Sorry to hear that the dll's did not fix your problem. I wasn't aware of
                        the 'white screen' bit. That is definitely not a dll problem.
                        Are the application windows the part(s) of your screen that are turning
                        'white' or is it the main OS screen (background) ??

                        Tell us about your system; OS, processor, etc. That info might help pin
                        down exactly what was going on.

                        - Mark K2CAN


                        Roger Cooke wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi Mark and others...
                        >
                        > I replaced those DLL's and a couple of days after doing so I came
                        > into the
                        > shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those that is
                        > causing my
                        > problem.
                        > As for "all on one machine" I won't go there again. I have the two
                        > running anyway,
                        > with the Satgate on one, so have the Cluster on there now and it works fine.
                        >
                        > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
                        >
                        > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                        > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                        > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 6:40:54 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                        >
                        > Ok Mike, sounds good.
                        >
                        > They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had.
                        >
                        > - Mark K2CAN
                        >
                        > MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Mark, K2CAN
                        >> I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                        >> he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                        >> Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                        >> --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>, Roger
                        >> Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                        >> here, and never
                        >>> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                        >> on one machine
                        >>> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                        >> BBS machine
                        >>> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                        >> with one or two minor
                        >>> problems with FBB.
                        >>> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                        >> way! If only
                        >>> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                        >> disappointing that the new
                        >>> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                        >> the 16 bit version, as
                        >>> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                        >> programs!
                        >>>
                        >>> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                        >>> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message ----
                        >>> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@.. .>
                        >>> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        >>> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                        >>> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Hi John and the group,
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                        >> version
                        >>>
                        >>> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                        >> Version
                        >>>
                        >>> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                        >> Win2K Pro
                        >>>
                        >>> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                        >> different
                        >>>
                        >>> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                        >>>
                        >>> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                        >> point)
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                        >> ********* *
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                        >> Version
                        >>>
                        >>> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                        >> Win2K
                        >>>
                        >>> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                        >> 3/13/06.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                        >> should
                        >>>
                        >>> be running ?
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                        >> ********* *
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> 73, Mark K2CAN
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Mark Harloff wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > Hi John,
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                        >> ran BPQ32
                        >>>
                        >>> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                        >> machine (a 1.8
                        >>>
                        >>> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                        >> (not
                        >>>
                        >>> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                        >> continue to run
                        >>>
                        >>> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                        >> from
                        >>>
                        >>> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                        >> BPQTerminal
                        >>>
                        >>> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                        >> trying to
                        >>>
                        >>> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                        >> the P4.
                        >>>
                        >>> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                        >> will be
                        >>>
                        >>> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                        >> same
                        >>>
                        >>> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                        >>>
                        >>> >
                        >>>
                        >>> > John Wiseman wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >> Hi Mark,
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                        >> testing,
                        >>>
                        >>> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                        >> WinFBB,
                        >>>
                        >>> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                        >> Cluster can
                        >>>
                        >>> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                        >> other
                        >>>
                        >>> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                        >> section of
                        >>>
                        >>> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                        >> suggest anyone
                        >>>
                        >>> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                        >> problems with
                        >>>
                        >>> >> the original.
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                        >>>
                        >>> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                        >> BBSCALL. By
                        >>>
                        >>> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                        >> this with
                        >>>
                        >>> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                        >> applications by
                        >>>
                        >>> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                        >> command. I
                        >>>
                        >>> >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                        >> it's own
                        >>>
                        >>> >> L4 call and alias.
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >> Regards,
                        >>>
                        >>> >>
                        >>>
                        >>> >> John
                        >>>
                        >>> <snip>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
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                      • Roger Cooke
                        Hi Mark. The white screens are just the FBB application. There is no information in them at all although the rest of the PC is quite OK. I can invoke Windows
                        Message 11 of 19 , Nov 9, 2006
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                          Hi Mark.

                             The "white screens" are just the FBB application. There is no information in them at all although
                          the rest of the PC is quite OK. I can invoke Windows Explorer for example.  The only option is
                          to quit and start again. It is so intermittent however, that it is impossible to nail it down to any
                          one event.
                            
                             Aside from that, this version of FBB has been pretty stable over the few weeks I have been
                          running it. Talking to ARC over an AXIP link to the Satgate machine also works well. I have
                          had no problems with that at all.

                             All we need now is an influx of users    and some kind person to update the 16 bit servers
                          that used to be so well used on the older system, like LOGON, QSL, QTH, TELETEXT and
                          so on.
                           
                          Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                          Swardeston, Norfolk.


                          ----- Original Message ----
                          From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                          To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wednesday, 8 November, 2006 9:41:35 PM
                          Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32

                          Hi Roger,

                          Sorry to hear that the dll's did not fix your problem. I wasn't aware of
                          the 'white screen' bit. That is definitely not a dll problem.
                          Are the application windows the part(s) of your screen that are turning
                          'white' or is it the main OS screen (background) ??

                          Tell us about your system; OS, processor, etc. That info might help pin
                          down exactly what was going on.

                          - Mark K2CAN

                          Roger Cooke wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Mark and others...
                          >
                          > I replaced those DLL's and a couple of days after doing so I came
                          > into the
                          > shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those that is
                          > causing my
                          > problem.
                          > As for "all on one machine" I won't go there again. I have the two
                          > running anyway,
                          > with the Satgate on one, so have the Cluster on there now and it works fine.
                          >
                          > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
                          >
                          > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                          > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message ----
                          > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@frontirnet .net>
                          > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
                          > Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 6:40:54 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                          >
                          > Ok Mike, sounds good.
                          >
                          > They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had.
                          >
                          > - Mark K2CAN
                          >
                          > MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Mark, K2CAN
                          >> I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                          >> he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                          >> Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                          >> --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>, Roger
                          >> Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                          >> here, and never
                          >>> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                          >> on one machine
                          >>> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                          >> BBS machine
                          >>> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                          >> with one or two minor
                          >>> problems with FBB.
                          >>> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                          >> way! If only
                          >>> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                          >> disappointing that the new
                          >>> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                          >> the 16 bit version, as
                          >>> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                          >> programs!
                          >>>
                          >>> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                          >>> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message ----
                          >>> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@.. .>
                          >>> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          >>> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                          >>> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Hi John and the group,
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                          >> version
                          >>>
                          >>> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                          >> Version
                          >>>
                          >>> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                          >> Win2K Pro
                          >>>
                          >>> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                          >> different
                          >>>
                          >>> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                          >>>
                          >>> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                          >> point)
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                          >> ********* *
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                          >> Version
                          >>>
                          >>> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                          >> Win2K
                          >>>
                          >>> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                          >> 3/13/06.
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                          >> should
                          >>>
                          >>> be running ?
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                          >> ********* *
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> 73, Mark K2CAN
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Mark Harloff wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > Hi John,
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                          >> ran BPQ32
                          >>>
                          >>> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                          >> machine (a 1.8
                          >>>
                          >>> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                          >> (not
                          >>>
                          >>> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                          >> continue to run
                          >>>
                          >>> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                          >> from
                          >>>
                          >>> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                          >> BPQTerminal
                          >>>
                          >>> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                          >> trying to
                          >>>
                          >>> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                          >> the P4.
                          >>>
                          >>> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                          >> will be
                          >>>
                          >>> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                          >> same
                          >>>
                          >>> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                          >>>
                          >>> >
                          >>>
                          >>> > John Wiseman wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >> Hi Mark,
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                          >> testing,
                          >>>
                          >>> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                          >> WinFBB,
                          >>>
                          >>> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                          >> Cluster can
                          >>>
                          >>> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                          >> other
                          >>>
                          >>> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                          >> section of
                          >>>
                          >>> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                          >> suggest anyone
                          >>>
                          >>> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                          >> problems with
                          >>>
                          >>> >> the original.
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                          >>>
                          >>> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                          >> BBSCALL. By
                          >>>
                          >>> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                          >> this with
                          >>>
                          >>> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                          >> applications by
                          >>>
                          >>> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                          >> command. I
                          >>>
                          >>> >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                          >> it's own
                          >>>
                          >>> >> L4 call and alias.
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >> Regards,
                          >>>
                          >>> >>
                          >>>
                          >>> >> John
                          >>>
                          >>> <snip>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
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                        • Roger Cooke
                          Hi Mark. Yes, it s just the FBB application that goes white. I can use the PC for other programs. I am using XP Pro, and the motherboard is a Pentium II with
                          Message 12 of 19 , Nov 9, 2006
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                            Hi Mark.

                                Yes, it's just the FBB application that goes white.  I can use the PC for
                            other programs.  I am using XP Pro, and the motherboard is a Pentium II with an
                            Athlon 850MHZ processor. This is on a LAN with three other machines.
                            The FBB windows are still there, but void of all information, just white! The
                            background desktop is normal.
                             
                            Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                            Swardeston, Norfolk.


                            ----- Original Message ----
                            From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, 8 November, 2006 9:41:35 PM
                            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32

                            Hi Roger,

                            Sorry to hear that the dll's did not fix your problem. I wasn't aware of
                            the 'white screen' bit. That is definitely not a dll problem.
                            Are the application windows the part(s) of your screen that are turning
                            'white' or is it the main OS screen (background) ??

                            Tell us about your system; OS, processor, etc. That info might help pin
                            down exactly what was going on.

                            - Mark K2CAN

                            Roger Cooke wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            > Hi Mark and others...
                            >
                            > I replaced those DLL's and a couple of days after doing so I came
                            > into the
                            > shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those that is
                            > causing my
                            > problem.
                            > As for "all on one machine" I won't go there again. I have the two
                            > running anyway,
                            > with the Satgate on one, so have the Cluster on there now and it works fine.
                            >
                            > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
                            >
                            > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                            > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message ----
                            > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@frontirnet .net>
                            > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
                            > Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 6:40:54 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                            >
                            > Ok Mike, sounds good.
                            >
                            > They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one(s) I had.
                            >
                            > - Mark K2CAN
                            >
                            > MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Mark, K2CAN
                            >> I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                            >> he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                            >> Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                            >> --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>, Roger
                            >> Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                            >> here, and never
                            >>> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and FBB32
                            >> on one machine
                            >>> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                            >> BBS machine
                            >>> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine now,
                            >> with one or two minor
                            >>> problems with FBB.
                            >>> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                            >> way! If only
                            >>> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                            >> disappointing that the new
                            >>> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran in
                            >> the 16 bit version, as
                            >>> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                            >> programs!
                            >>>
                            >>> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                            >>> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> ----- Original Message ----
                            >>> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@.. .>
                            >>> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            >>> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                            >>> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Hi John and the group,
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                            >> version
                            >>>
                            >>> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                            >> Version
                            >>>
                            >>> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                            >> Win2K Pro
                            >>>
                            >>> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                            >> different
                            >>>
                            >>> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                            >>>
                            >>> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                            >> point)
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                            >> ********* *
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                            >> Version
                            >>>
                            >>> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                            >> Win2K
                            >>>
                            >>> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created on
                            >> 3/13/06.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                            >> should
                            >>>
                            >>> be running ?
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                            >> ********* *
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem here.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> 73, Mark K2CAN
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Mark Harloff wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > Hi John,
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                            >> ran BPQ32
                            >>>
                            >>> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                            >> machine (a 1.8
                            >>>
                            >>> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after awhile
                            >> (not
                            >>>
                            >>> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                            >> continue to run
                            >>>
                            >>> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault indication
                            >> from
                            >>>
                            >>> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                            >> BPQTerminal
                            >>>
                            >>> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                            >> trying to
                            >>>
                            >>> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup on
                            >> the P4.
                            >>>
                            >>> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each application
                            >> will be
                            >>>
                            >>> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on the
                            >> same
                            >>>
                            >>> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                            >>>
                            >>> >
                            >>>
                            >>> > John Wiseman wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >> Hi Mark,
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                            >> testing,
                            >>>
                            >>> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha of
                            >> WinFBB,
                            >>>
                            >>> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                            >> Cluster can
                            >>>
                            >>> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                            >> other
                            >>>
                            >>> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                            >> section of
                            >>>
                            >>> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                            >> suggest anyone
                            >>>
                            >>> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                            >> problems with
                            >>>
                            >>> >> the original.
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own L2
                            >>>
                            >>> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                            >> BBSCALL. By
                            >>>
                            >>> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                            >> this with
                            >>>
                            >>> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                            >> applications by
                            >>>
                            >>> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                            >> command. I
                            >>>
                            >>> >> am working on a version which will allow each application have
                            >> it's own
                            >>>
                            >>> >> L4 call and alias.
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >> Regards,
                            >>>
                            >>> >>
                            >>>
                            >>> >> John
                            >>>
                            >>> <snip>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
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                          • jlyatesjr
                            Hello Everyone, This is getting interesting. I ran the 16 bit version of WinFBB for many years. And have run the 32 bit version of WinFBB for the past six
                            Message 13 of 19 , Nov 9, 2006
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                              Hello Everyone, This is getting interesting. I ran the 16 bit version
                              of WinFBB for many years. And have run the 32 bit version of WinFBB
                              for the past six months or so. And never had a problem with screen
                              display until this afternoon. I do not run ARC but I do run BPQ32 and
                              WinFBB 32 bit vervion on Windows XP SP2. When we got home from
                              shopping this afternoon my bbs screens were the "white screens" I
                              leave the Control Screen, Monitor Screen and All Channels screen up
                              all the time. And all three were white. I knows I am running the
                              correct versions of the DLL files and current BPQ32 version as per
                              John G8BPQ. My question to every one now who is having this problem
                              is... have you installed the new Internet Explorer 7 as I knows it
                              causes issues with other programs. Or maybe have you installed the
                              new Firefox 2.0. Other than normal Windows upgrades these are the
                              only other two program changes I have made recently.
                              ...73's...Joel N4JOA@N4JOS BBS

                              --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Roger Cooke <g3ldi@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi Mark.
                              >
                              > The "white screens" are just the FBB application. There is no
                              information in them at all although
                              > the rest of the PC is quite OK. I can invoke Windows Explorer for
                              example. The only option is
                              > to quit and start again. It is so intermittent however, that it is
                              impossible to nail it down to any
                              > one event.
                              >
                              > Aside from that, this version of FBB has been pretty stable over
                              the few weeks I have been
                              > running it. Talking to ARC over an AXIP link to the Satgate machine
                              also works well. I have
                              > had no problems with that at all.
                              >
                              > All we need now is an influx of users and some kind person to
                              update the 16 bit servers
                              > that used to be so well used on the older system, like LOGON, QSL,
                              QTH, TELETEXT and
                              > so on.
                              >
                              > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                              > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message ----
                              > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@...>
                              > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November, 2006 9:41:35 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi Roger,
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sorry to hear that the dll's did not fix your problem. I wasn't
                              aware of
                              >
                              > the 'white screen' bit. That is definitely not a dll problem.
                              >
                              > Are the application windows the part(s) of your screen that are
                              turning
                              >
                              > 'white' or is it the main OS screen (background) ??
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Tell us about your system; OS, processor, etc. That info might help
                              pin
                              >
                              > down exactly what was going on.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > - Mark K2CAN
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Roger Cooke wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Hi Mark and others...
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I replaced those DLL's and a couple of days after doing so I
                              came
                              >
                              > > into the
                              >
                              > > shack and found white screens again. Obviously it is not those
                              that is
                              >
                              > > causing my
                              >
                              > > problem.
                              >
                              > > As for "all on one machine" I won't go there again. I have the
                              two
                              >
                              > > running anyway,
                              >
                              > > with the Satgate on one, so have the Cluster on there now and it
                              works fine.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                              >
                              > > Swardeston, Norfolk.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > ----- Original Message ----
                              >
                              > > From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@frontirnet .net>
                              >
                              > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
                              >
                              > > Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 6:40:54 PM
                              >
                              > > Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Ok Mike, sounds good.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > They should fix his problem, assuming it is identical to the one
                              (s) I had.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > - Mark K2CAN
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > MIchael Melnik Sr. wrote:
                              >
                              > >>
                              >
                              > >>
                              >
                              > >> Mark, K2CAN
                              >
                              > >> I did send Roger your .dll's and he has replaced them,
                              >
                              > >> he will let us know if it solves his problems as well,
                              >
                              > >> Thanks Mike/N9PMO
                              >
                              > >> --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              >
                              > > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>, Roger
                              >
                              > >> Cooke <g3ldi@> wrote:
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> Been reading the problems Mark has been having. I had the same
                              >
                              > >> here, and never
                              >
                              > >>> did solve them. In the end I gave in and I now run BPQ32 and
                              FBB32
                              >
                              > >> on one machine
                              >
                              > >>> and AR-Cluster with BPQ32 and my Satgate on another machine. The
                              >
                              > >> BBS machine
                              >
                              > >>> talks to the Cluster via an AXIP link. Everything works fine
                              now,
                              >
                              > >> with one or two minor
                              >
                              > >>> problems with FBB.
                              >
                              > >>> Mike, N9PMO, was a great help and we had a few headaches on the
                              >
                              > >> way! If only
                              >
                              > >>> there was an FBB32 reflector, it might have helped. It is
                              >
                              > >> disappointing that the new
                              >
                              > >>> 32 bit version does not support some of the add-ons that I ran
                              in
                              >
                              > >> the 16 bit version, as
                              >
                              > >>> they were very useful. If only I was talented enough to write
                              >
                              > >> programs!
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> Regards from Roger, G3LDI
                              >
                              > >>> Swardeston, Norfolk.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> ----- Original Message ----
                              >
                              > >>> From: Mark Harloff <mharloff@ .>
                              >
                              > >>> To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              >
                              > > <mailto:BPQ32% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              >
                              > >>> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:30:22 PM
                              >
                              > >>> Subject: Re: [BPQ32] BPQ32 ARC and WinFBB32
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> Hi John and the group,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> I've tracked down the problem to what I think is difference in
                              >
                              > >> version
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> of the BPQ.DLL and BPQ32.DLL that I have been running here.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                              >
                              > >> Version
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> 1.0.0.1 of the BPQ.DLL dated 3/29/06. That DLL running on the
                              >
                              > >> Win2K Pro
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> machine (which works fine) has the same Version number but a
                              >
                              > >> different
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> creation date.. 3/30/06.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> I assume I need to run the one created on 3/30/06 ?
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> (if so, the version number should probably be changed at some
                              >
                              > >> point)
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                              >
                              > >> ********* *
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> On the XP Pro machine (that BPQ32 locks up on) I was running
                              >
                              > >> Version
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> 4.9.21.2 of the BPQ32.DLL dated 3/13/06. That DLL running on the
                              >
                              > >> Win2K
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> Pro machine (which works fine) is Version 4.9.21.3 also created
                              on
                              >
                              > >> 3/13/06.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> I assume that 4.9.21.3 is the most current version and the one I
                              >
                              > >> should
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> be running ?
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
                              >
                              > >> ********* *
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> I'm pretty sure these two dll's are the source of the problem
                              here.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> 73, Mark K2CAN
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> Mark Harloff wrote:
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > Hi John,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > Thanks for the reply. The problem I was having was that when I
                              >
                              > >> ran BPQ32
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > 4.09u Rev 3, ARC 4.4.25 and WinFbb32 7.01.35a on the same
                              >
                              > >> machine (a 1.8
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > Gig P4 running Win XP Pro) the switch would lock up after
                              awhile
                              >
                              > >> (not
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > sure how long, it varied). The Cluster and the BBS would
                              >
                              > >> continue to run
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > even though the switch was locked. There was no fault
                              indication
                              >
                              > >> from
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > the switch code (or the OS), it was just unreachable from a
                              >
                              > >> BPQTerminal
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > console or either of the ports (serial and telnet) I run.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > I have since moved the BBS off to another machine here and am
                              >
                              > >> trying to
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > track down the source of the problem by recreating the setup
                              on
                              >
                              > >> the P4.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > I'll keep you and group posted as to how that goes.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > Adding the option to have L4 call and alias for each
                              application
                              >
                              > >> will be
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > a major benefit for folks that run multiple applications on
                              the
                              >
                              > >> same
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > switch (like me).. Your work is very appreciated!
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > 73, Mark K2CAN
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> > John Wiseman wrote:
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> Hi Mark,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> I can run ARCluster and WinFBB, although I only do it for
                              >
                              > >> testing,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> rather than running a production system. I use 7.01.35 Alpha
                              of
                              >
                              > >> WinFBB,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> Version 4.09u of BPQ32 and I have 4.4.18 of AR-Cluster. AR-
                              >
                              > >> Cluster can
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> only run as BPQ application 1, so you have to run FBB as some
                              >
                              > >> other
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> application. This requires using the bpq.dll from the files
                              >
                              > >> section of
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> this group, rather than the one provided with winfbb32. I
                              >
                              > >> suggest anyone
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> using WinFBB 7.01 uses this replacement, as it fixes other
                              >
                              > >> problems with
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> the original.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> With the current version, each application can have it's own
                              L2
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> callsign, but only one can respond to the L4 (Netrom) call
                              >
                              > >> BBSCALL. By
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> default this is application 1, but it is possible to change
                              >
                              > >> this with
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> the L4APPL command in bpqcfg.txt. Users access the other
                              >
                              > >> applications by
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> connecting first to the node, then entering the appropriate
                              >
                              > >> command. I
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> am working on a version which will allow each application
                              have
                              >
                              > >> it's own
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> L4 call and alias.
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> Regards,
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> >> John
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>> <snip>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
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                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
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                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
                              >
                              > >>>
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