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  • Jerry
    On our HF Packet nets we suffer from QRM… Some we believe is from the Propnet a few rough stations that do not follow the Propnet Freq list now power
    Message 1 of 21 , Apr 1, 2011
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      On our HF Packet nets we suffer from QRM… Some we believe is from the Propnet a few rough stations that do not follow the Propnet Freq list now power levels.. and just beacon constantly..

       

      Also on our HF Skipnets we have someone very occasionally just sitting there sending connect requests over and over and over.. Either they have retries set at 1.5M or they are sitting there for 8 to 12 hours calling and calling and calling…

       

      73 jerry

       

      From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of W6IDS
      Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:19 PM
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

       

       

      

      HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?

       

      Howard W6IDS

       

       

       

      ----- Original Message -----

      From: DEC

      Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:44 PM

      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

       

       

      My 20 meter port was up an running on packet before they knew what digital was. I'm not going anywhere. It will take more than their constant carrier QRMing us to make me go away.

       

       

    • Jerry
      Actually… We have worked with Pactor and others who may operate on or near our skipnet and not had problems.. They general come in call a station pass some
      Message 2 of 21 , Apr 1, 2011
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        Actually… We have worked with Pactor and others who may operate on or near  our skipnet and not had problems.. They general come in call a station pass some traffic and are gone.. What SEEMS to be happening now is either a new HAM who may need guidance,  a REAL LID  or a malicious attempt to shut us down… as Dave said.. I can run Packet until the last electron flows thru this station they will not run us off..

         

        This morning it was happening on two of our nets at the same time.. Just seems odd it is always nothing more than calling calling calling.. Total waste of effort of any kind regardless if it is attempted to be legit or malicious..

         

         

        It comes and goes.. Just a general pain in the Transistors… 

         

         

        73 jerry

         

        From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
        Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:25 PM
        To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

         

         

        On our HF Packet nets we suffer from QRM… Some we believe is from the Propnet a few rough stations that do not follow the Propnet Freq list now power levels.. and just beacon constantly..

         

        Also on our HF Skipnets we have someone very occasionally just sitting there sending connect requests over and over and over.. Either they have retries set at 1.5M or they are sitting there for 8 to 12 hours calling and calling and calling…

         

        73 jerry

         

        From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of W6IDS
        Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:19 PM
        To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

         

         

        

        HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?

         

        Howard W6IDS

         

         

         

        ----- Original Message -----

        From: DEC

        Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:44 PM

        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

         

         

        My 20 meter port was up an running on packet before they knew what digital was. I'm not going anywhere. It will take more than their constant carrier QRMing us to make me go away.

         

         

      • DEC
        Let em waste the electricity. Eventually we get it all, thru anyway! LOL! 73 Dave ... Let em waste the electricity. Eventually we get it all, thru anyway! LOL!
        Message 3 of 21 , Apr 1, 2011
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          Let em waste the electricity. Eventually we get it all, thru anyway! LOL!

          73 Dave




          On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:39 PM, "Jerry" <n9lya@...> wrote:

           

          Actually… We have worked with Pactor and others who may operate on or near  our skipnet and not had problems.. They general come in call a station pass some traffic and are gone.. What SEEMS to be happening now is either a new HAM who may need guidance,  a REAL LID  or a malicious attempt to shut us down… as Dave said.. I can run Packet until the last electron flows thru this station they will not run us off..

           

          This morning it was happening on two of our nets at the same time.. Just seems odd it is always nothing more than calling calling calling.. Total waste of effort of any kind regardless if it is attempted to be legit or malicious..

           

           

          It comes and goes.. Just a general pain in the Transistors… 

           

           

          73 jerry

           

          From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
          Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:25 PM
          To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

           

           

          On our HF Packet nets we suffer from QRM… Some we believe is from the Propnet a few rough stations that do not follow the Propnet Freq list now power levels.. and just beacon constantly..

           

          Also on our HF Skipnets we have someone very occasionally just sitting there sending connect requests over and over and over.. Either they have retries set at 1.5M or they are sitting there for 8 to 12 hours calling and calling and calling…

           

          73 jerry

           

          From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of W6IDS
          Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:19 PM
          To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

           

           

          

          HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?

           

          Howard W6IDS

           

           

           

          ----- Original Message -----

          From: DEC

          Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:44 PM

          Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

           

           

          My 20 meter port was up an running on packet before they knew what digital was. I'm not going anywhere. It will take more than their constant carrier QRMing us to make me go away.

           

           

        • Jerry
          Yes we do… Good job DAVE… 73 jerry From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DEC Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:46 PM To:
          Message 4 of 21 , Apr 1, 2011
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            Yes we do… Good job DAVE… 73 jerry

             

            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DEC
            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:46 PM
            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

             

             

            Let em waste the electricity. Eventually we get it all, thru anyway! LOL!

             

            73 Dave

             

             


            On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:39 PM, "Jerry" <n9lya@...> wrote:

             

            Actually… We have worked with Pactor and others who may operate on or near  our skipnet and not had problems.. They general come in call a station pass some traffic and are gone.. What SEEMS to be happening now is either a new HAM who may need guidance,  a REAL LID  or a malicious attempt to shut us down… as Dave said.. I can run Packet until the last electron flows thru this station they will not run us off..

             

            This morning it was happening on two of our nets at the same time.. Just seems odd it is always nothing more than calling calling calling.. Total waste of effort of any kind regardless if it is attempted to be legit or malicious..

             

             

            It comes and goes.. Just a general pain in the Transistors… 

             

             

            73 jerry

             

            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:25 PM
            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

             

             

            On our HF Packet nets we suffer from QRM… Some we believe is from the Propnet a few rough stations that do not follow the Propnet Freq list now power levels.. and just beacon constantly..

             

            Also on our HF Skipnets we have someone very occasionally just sitting there sending connect requests over and over and over.. Either they have retries set at 1.5M or they are sitting there for 8 to 12 hours calling and calling and calling…

             

            73 jerry

             

            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of W6IDS
            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:19 PM
            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

             

             

            

            HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?

             

            Howard W6IDS

             

             

             

            ----- Original Message -----

            From: DEC

            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:44 PM

            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

             

             

            My 20 meter port was up an running on packet before they knew what digital was. I'm not going anywhere. It will take more than their constant carrier QRMing us to make me go away.

             

             

          • Jerry
            Thanks for the time you were on with us.. It was greatly appreciated. 73 Jerry Yell if you do return.. From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
            Message 5 of 21 , Apr 1, 2011
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              Thanks for the time you were on with us.. It was greatly appreciated…

               

              73 Jerry

               

              Yell if you do return..

               

              From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtaylor_lrim
              Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:09 PM
              To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [BPQ32] N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

               

               

              To Jerry, N9LYA, Rich, KE7XO, and others...

              I have shut down using BPQ because it simply will not do all that I ask of it, yet. Perhaps in the future John will incorporate the features that would make it more useful to me and will again start using it.

              Until then I will try and stay in touch and watch for updates.

              Mark,
              N5MDT

            • Charles Brabham
              He s probably referring to malicious interference, typically coming from Winlinkers who read something on the internet that they didn t like. In my experience,
              Message 6 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                He's probably referring to malicious interference, typically coming from Winlinkers who read something on the internet that they didn't like.
                 
                In my experience, whenever anybody speaks up about their lid-like operating habits online - they arrainge for a little extra bit of interference on the frequency being talked about.
                 
                It's the only tool in their little toolbox. - It's what they know how to do best.
                 
                There was one occasion where it didn't work out that way though, so not all hope is lost.
                 
                Attend carefully:
                 
                One day, after watching WinLinkers crash my Packet QSOs for years on 14.098 ( Notice how I don't worry about listing the frequency? )
                I decided to start documenting the interference.
                 
                Using screenshots to document the waterfall action, and MixW's PACTOR I rx capability to gather callsigns of offending WinLink client stations callsigns ( when they used callsigns ) within a few weeks, I had documentation and ID's related to over seventy-five interference events.
                 
                The WinLink 'leadership' was blaming the inteference on the client stations instead of the servers at that time, so I took him at his word and concentrated on the client stations.
                 
                My criteria was that the station had to actually transmit right on top of an ongoing QSO, and I had to personally witness the event. - Just being on frequrency when it was clear did not qualify a Winlink client for the lid-list.
                 
                They had to be obvious, easy to document lids.
                 
                Then I started publishing my screen-shots and my Lid-list on QRZed.com.
                 
                There were flustered protestations of innocence, ( in the face of incontrovertable evidence ) redefinitions of the word "is", and of course I was called every name in the book and got all kinds of nasty-grams in my email inbox.
                 
                The old "I didn't hear it" excuse did not fly in the face of over seventy-five interference events within a couple of weeks. The claim of not being able to hear a Packet net that included stations all over the US didn't go over very well, either.
                 
                For a few days after that, there were TONS of Winlink interference events on 14.098 - but it tapered off very quickly because...
                 
                Lo-and Behold! - WinLink clients didn't want to be spotlighted as lids on on QRZed, and started avoiding 14.098. - A good 70% of the interference went away - and it stayed that way. Today, five years later, there is still significantly less WinLink interference on that frequency, compared to lets say, 14.105 or any of the other automated packet sub-bands.
                 
                The WB0TAX server is still stubbornly parked there after all these years - but he doesn't get much business on that frequency.  :-)
                 
                I realize of course that I'll probably see some extra interference on 14.098 after posting this, but you know what?
                 
                I also know that it won't last very long at all - for the obvious reason.
                 
                I did this - and so can anyone else.
                 
                 
                73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
                 
                Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org !
                 
                 
                 
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: W6IDS
                Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:19 PM
                Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

                 

                

                HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?
                 
                Howard W6IDS
                 
              • Rick Muething
                Thank you for your brilliant and fresh observations Charles....But no need to bother to sign your name and call sign. Your bias, rants and distortions of the
                Message 7 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                  Thank you for your brilliant and fresh observations Charles....But no need to bother to sign your name and call sign. Your bias, rants and distortions of the truth are so well know by all that it makes it unnecessary.  IMHO it just adds credibility to the saying...Those that CAN...DO....those that can’t DO blog.
                   
                  Rick Muething, KN6KB
                   
                   
                • Mike Brogan
                  Don t really think this sort of discussion belongs on this list at all!! Mike, g8jhe........ ... From: Rick Muething To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com Sent:
                  Message 8 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                    Don't really think this sort of "discussion" belongs on this list at all!!

                    Mike, g8jhe........


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Rick Muething
                    To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 6:04 PM
                    Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Lid List_ (Was N5MDT stopping use of BPQ)





                    Thank you for your brilliant and fresh observations Charles....But no need
                    to bother to sign your name and call sign. Your bias, rants and
                    distortions of the truth are so well know by all that it makes it
                    unnecessary. IMHO it just adds credibility to the saying...Those that
                    CAN...DO....those that can’t DO blog.

                    Rick Muething, KN6KB








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                  • yate4899@gmail.com
                    Thank You Mike. I agree. Joel N4JOA Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ... From: Mike Brogan Sender: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 2
                    Message 9 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                      Thank You Mike. I agree. Joel N4JOA
                      Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: "Mike Brogan" <g8jhe@...>
                      Sender: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:37:27
                      To: BPQ32@...<BPQ32@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Lid List_ (Was N5MDT stopping use of BPQ)

                      Don't really think this sort of "discussion" belongs on this list at all!!

                      Mike, g8jhe........


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Rick Muething
                      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 6:04 PM
                      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Lid List_ (Was N5MDT stopping use of BPQ)





                      Thank you for your brilliant and fresh observations Charles....But no need
                      to bother to sign your name and call sign. Your bias, rants and
                      distortions of the truth are so well know by all that it makes it
                      unnecessary. IMHO it just adds credibility to the saying...Those that
                      CAN...DO....those that can’t DO blog.

                      Rick Muething, KN6KB








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                    • W6IDS
                      Know what else? I hit the DEL key and it isn t there - oops, did the same thing to yours and Joel s. . . POOOF! Gone. No worries. Cheers - Howard
                      Message 10 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                        Know what else?  I hit the DEL key and it isn't there -
                         
                        oops, did the same thing to yours and Joel's. . . POOOF!
                         
                        Gone.  No worries.  <GRIN>  Cheers -
                         
                        Howard W6IDS
                        Richmond, IN Em79NV
                         
                        I guess now I'm sending to no one. . . . <SIGH>
                        I still want Fish 'n Chips!
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:37 PM
                        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Lid List_ (Was N5MDT stopping use of BPQ)

                         

                        Don't really think this sort of "discussion" belongs on this list at all!!

                        Mike, g8jhe........

                      • Rick Nicholson
                        No come on guys... it can t be that bad?    If it is, then settle it like men....pistols at at 100 paces.  I thought this hobby was suppose to be fun? 73 s
                        Message 11 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                          No come on guys... it can't be that bad?    If it is, then settle it like men....pistols at at 100 paces. 
                           
                          I thought this hobby was suppose to be fun?
                           
                          73's to both sides of the dispute!
                           
                          Hope you all get over it soon!!

                          From: Rick Muething <rmuething@...>
                          To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:04:51 PM
                          Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Lid List_ (Was N5MDT stopping use of BPQ)

                           

                          Thank you for your brilliant and fresh observations Charles....But no need to bother to sign your name and call sign. Your bias, rants and distortions of the truth are so well know by all that it makes it unnecessary.  IMHO it just adds credibility to the saying...Those that CAN...DO....those that can’t DO blog.
                           
                          Rick Muething, KN6KB
                           
                           
                        • DEC
                          And you actually knew the freq. I was talking about. Imagine that. :) 73 Dave ... And you actually knew the freq. I was talking about. Imagine that. :) 73 Dave
                          Message 12 of 21 , Apr 2, 2011
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                            And you actually knew the freq. I was talking about. Imagine that. :)


                            73 Dave




                            On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:40 AM, "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@...> wrote:

                             

                            

                            He's probably referring to malicious interference, typically coming from Winlinkers who read something on the internet that they didn't like.
                             
                            In my experience, whenever anybody speaks up about their lid-like operating habits online - they arrainge for a little extra bit of interference on the frequency being talked about.
                             
                            It's the only tool in their little toolbox. - It's what they know how to do best.
                             
                            There was one occasion where it didn't work out that way though, so not all hope is lost.
                             
                            Attend carefully:
                             
                            One day, after watching WinLinkers crash my Packet QSOs for years on 14.098 ( Notice how I don't worry about listing the frequency? )
                            I decided to start documenting the interference.
                             
                            Using screenshots to document the waterfall action, and MixW's PACTOR I rx capability to gather callsigns of offending WinLink client stations callsigns ( when they used callsigns ) within a few weeks, I had documentation and ID's related to over seventy-five interference events.
                             
                            The WinLink 'leadership' was blaming the inteference on the client stations instead of the servers at that time, so I took him at his word and concentrated on the client stations.
                             
                            My criteria was that the station had to actually transmit right on top of an ongoing QSO, and I had to personally witness the event. - Just being on frequrency when it was clear did not qualify a Winlink client for the lid-list.
                             
                            They had to be obvious, easy to document lids.
                             
                            Then I started publishing my screen-shots and my Lid-list on QRZed.com.
                             
                            There were flustered protestations of innocence, ( in the face of incontrovertable evidence ) redefinitions of the word "is", and of course I was called every name in the book and got all kinds of nasty-grams in my email inbox.
                             
                            The old "I didn't hear it" excuse did not fly in the face of over seventy-five interference events within a couple of weeks. The claim of not being able to hear a Packet net that included stations all over the US didn't go over very well, either.
                             
                            For a few days after that, there were TONS of Winlink interference events on 14.098 - but it tapered off very quickly because...
                             
                            Lo-and Behold! - WinLink clients didn't want to be spotlighted as lids on on QRZed, and started avoiding 14.098. - A good 70% of the interference went away - and it stayed that way. Today, five years later, there is still significantly less WinLink interference on that frequency, compared to lets say, 14.105 or any of the other automated packet sub-bands.
                             
                            The WB0TAX server is still stubbornly parked there after all these years - but he doesn't get much business on that frequency.  :-)
                             
                            I realize of course that I'll probably see some extra interference on 14.098 after posting this, but you know what?
                             
                            I also know that it won't last very long at all - for the obvious reason.
                             
                            I did this - and so can anyone else.
                             
                             
                            73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
                             
                            Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org !
                             
                             
                             
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: W6IDS
                            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:19 PM
                            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: N5MDT stopping use of BPQ

                             

                            

                            HUH?  "constant carrier"???  What is that?
                             
                            Howard W6IDS
                             

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