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  • Howard Z
    Hi, I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system. Is this correct? Howard
    Message 1 of 18 , May 25, 2010
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      Hi,

      I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.

      Is this correct?

      Howard
    • K.O. Higgs
      That depends on what you plan to use your bbs for. 73, K.O. N0KFQ On 5/25/2010 2:02 PM, Howard Z wrote: Hi, I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and
      Message 2 of 18 , May 25, 2010
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        That depends on what you plan to use your bbs for.

        73,  K.O. N0KFQ

        On 5/25/2010 2:02 PM, Howard Z wrote:
         

        Hi,

        I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.

        Is this correct?

        Howard


        -- 
        
        K.O. Higgs 
        n0kfq@...
        
        
      • D. Calder
        WHY would you think that? Dave n4zkf From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Howard Z Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:03 PM To:
        Message 3 of 18 , May 25, 2010
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          WHY would you think that?

           

          Dave

          n4zkf

           

           

          From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Howard Z
          Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:03 PM
          To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [BPQ32] BPQMailChat vs WinFbb

           

           

          Hi,

          I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.

          Is this correct?

          Howard

        • Peter - ZL2BAU
          ... Hi All, With regard to BPQ-BBS, I have not seen anything new for quite sometime now. Is it still being developed etc ? Regards ..... Peter
          Message 4 of 18 , May 25, 2010
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            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com [mailto:BPQ32@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Howard Z
            Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:03 PM
            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
            Subject: [BPQ32] BPQMailChat vs WinFbb

             

             

            Hi,

            I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.

            Is this correct?

            Howard


            Hi All,

                     With regard to BPQ-BBS, I have not seen anything new for quite sometime now.

            Is it still being developed etc ?

            Regards ..... Peter

          • Jeff - WA4ZKO
            John s been/is on vacation: http://aprs.fi/?call=GM8BPQ 73 Jeff WA4ZKO
            Message 5 of 18 , May 25, 2010
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              John's been/is on vacation:

              http://aprs.fi/?call=GM8BPQ

              73
              Jeff
              WA4ZKO

              --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Peter - ZL2BAU <zl2bau@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] *On
              > > Behalf Of *Howard Z
              > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:03 PM
              > > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
              > > *Subject:* [BPQ32] BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
              > >
              > > Hi,
              > >
              > > I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace
              > > WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.
              > >
              > > Is this correct?
              > >
              > > Howard
              > >
              > >
              >
              > Hi All,
              >
              > With regard to BPQ-BBS, I have not seen anything new for quite
              > sometime now.
              >
              > Is it still being developed etc ?
              >
              > Regards ..... Peter
              >
            • vk2dot
              Hi All. Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective analysis of the question, which may be built on over time. 1: One thinks that
              Message 6 of 18 , May 26, 2010
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                Hi All.
                Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.

                1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time, but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.

                2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail – You need two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of flexibility.

                3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.

                4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are –

                A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have to do it manually.

                B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do a complete BBS task of forwarding.

                C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We are trying to entice more packet users – In Australia, packet is dying, we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this problem.

                D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node, that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good. In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on port 8000 and view all APRS traffic – really good stuff.

                E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32 system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT – they are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.

                F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32, we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                (2) Enable Password required
                Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words, BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software. We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering the system.
                This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.

                5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.

                6: One last item, the documentation – Very good, but being from the old school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS software. This should be a very low priority.


                One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance BPQMailChat here.

                My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations. Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.

                One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.

                Regards Rod VK2DOT……/////


                --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff - WA4ZKO" <wa4zko@...> wrote:
                >
                > John's been/is on vacation:
                >
                > http://aprs.fi/?call=GM8BPQ
                >
                > 73
                > Jeff
                > WA4ZKO
                >
                > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Peter - ZL2BAU <zl2bau@> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > > > *From:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] *On
                > > > Behalf Of *Howard Z
                > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:03 PM
                > > > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                > > > *Subject:* [BPQ32] BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                > > >
                > > > Hi,
                > > >
                > > > I am under the impression that BPQMailChat can (and should) replace
                > > > WinFbb as the choice BPQ BBS system.
                > > >
                > > > Is this correct?
                > > >
                > > > Howard
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > > Hi All,
                > >
                > > With regard to BPQ-BBS, I have not seen anything new for quite
                > > sometime now.
                > >
                > > Is it still being developed etc ?
                > >
                > > Regards ..... Peter
                > >
                >
              • John Wiseman
                Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I m away sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to look more closely
                Message 7 of 18 , May 27, 2010
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                  Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                   
                  73,
                  John
                   
                   
                   
                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vk2dot
                  Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                  To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb

                   

                  Hi All.
                  Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.

                  1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time, but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.

                  2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail – You need two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                  I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of flexibility.

                  3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.

                  4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are –

                  A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have to do it manually.

                  B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do a complete BBS task of forwarding.

                  C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We are trying to entice more packet users – In Australia, packet is dying, we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this problem.

                  D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node, that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good. In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on port 8000 and view all APRS traffic – really good stuff.

                  E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32 system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT – they are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.

                  F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32, we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                  (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                  (2) Enable Password required
                  Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words, BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software. We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering the system.
                  This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                  Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.

                  5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.

                  6: One last item, the documentation – Very good, but being from the old school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS software. This should be a very low priority.

                  One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance BPQMailChat here.

                  My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations. Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.

                  One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.

                  Regards Rod VK2DOT……/////

                • vk2dot
                  John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail. ...         Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as
                  Message 8 of 18 , May 28, 2010
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                    John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail.

                    --------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below

                    c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                    *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                    Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org

                    --------------------------------------------------------------------

                    Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below

                    c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                    *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                    Callsign:Password:
                    Password:
                    Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                    Enter ? for list of commands

                    *** Connected to SWITCH

                    -------------------------------------------------------------------
                    The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS Headers.

                    Regards Rod......////



                    --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                    > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                    > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                    > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                    > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    > John
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                    > vk2dot
                    > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                    > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi All.
                    > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                    > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                    >
                    > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                    > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                    >
                    > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                    > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                    > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                    > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                    > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                    > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                    > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                    > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                    > flexibility.
                    >
                    > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                    > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                    > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                    > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                    > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                    >
                    > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                    > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                    > -
                    >
                    > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                    > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                    > to do it manually.
                    >
                    > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                    > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                    > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                    > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                    > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                    > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                    >
                    > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                    > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                    > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                    > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                    > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                    > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                    > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                    > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                    > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                    > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                    > problem.
                    >
                    > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                    > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                    > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                    > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                    > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                    > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                    > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                    > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                    > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                    > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                    > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                    >
                    > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                    > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                    > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                    > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                    > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                    > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                    > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                    > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                    > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                    > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                    >
                    > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                    > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                    > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                    > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                    > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                    > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                    > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                    > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                    > (2) Enable Password required
                    > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                    > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                    > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                    > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                    > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                    > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                    > the system.
                    > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                    > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                    > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                    > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                    >
                    > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                    > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                    > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                    >
                    > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                    > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                    > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                    > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                    > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                    > software. This should be a very low priority.
                    >
                    > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                    > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                    > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                    > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                    > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                    > BPQMailChat here.
                    >
                    > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                    > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                    > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                    > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                    > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                    > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                    > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                    > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                    > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                    >
                    > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                    >
                    > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                    >
                  • Joel Yates
                    Doesn t the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port? Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and password wise?
                    Message 9 of 18 , May 28, 2010
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                      Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                      Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and password wise?
                      ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                      Joel Yates
                      yate4899@...


                      On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@...> wrote:
                      John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail.

                      --------------------------------------------------------------------
                               Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below

                       c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                       *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                       Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org

                      --------------------------------------------------------------------

                      Reply 2 Manual 6301  as below

                      c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                      *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                      Callsign:Password:
                      Password:
                      Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                      Enter ? for list of commands

                      *** Connected to SWITCH

                      -------------------------------------------------------------------
                      The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS Headers.

                      Regards Rod......////



                      --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                      > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                      > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                      > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                      > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                      >
                      > 73,
                      > John
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                      > vk2dot
                      > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                      > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi All.
                      > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                      > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                      >
                      > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                      > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                      >
                      > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                      > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                      > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                      > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                      > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                      > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                      > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                      > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                      > flexibility.
                      >
                      > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                      > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                      > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                      > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                      > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                      >
                      > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                      > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                      > -
                      >
                      > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                      > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                      > to do it manually.
                      >
                      > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                      > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                      > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                      > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                      > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                      > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                      >
                      > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                      > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                      > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                      > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                      > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                      > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                      > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                      > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                      > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                      > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                      > problem.
                      >
                      > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                      > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                      > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                      > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                      > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                      > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                      > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                      > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                      > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                      > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                      > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                      >
                      > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                      > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                      > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                      > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                      > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                      > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                      > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                      > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                      > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                      > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                      >
                      > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                      > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                      > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                      > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                      > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                      > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                      > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                      > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                      > (2) Enable Password required
                      > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                      > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                      > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                      > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                      > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                      > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                      > the system.
                      > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                      > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                      > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                      > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                      >
                      > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                      > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                      > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                      >
                      > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                      > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                      > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                      > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                      > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                      > software. This should be a very low priority.
                      >
                      > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                      > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                      > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                      > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                      > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                      > BPQMailChat here.
                      >
                      > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                      > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                      > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                      > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                      > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                      > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                      > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                      > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                      > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                      >
                      > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                      >
                      > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                      >




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                    • vk2dot
                      Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all. Additional information - Most radio clubs in
                      Message 10 of 18 , May 28, 2010
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                        Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all.
                        Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack & Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2 [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.

                        regards Rod.....///

                        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                        Hi Rod I simply hit Winpack mailbox icon that causes Winpack to do an auto connect to ur BBS following with the auto download of available next headers for the day, approx. 20-50?. Then disconnects.
                        I then hit the bull's head icon to list these headers on my computer, whilst disconnected..They are now listed ready for me to mark any I want to read with the * mark
                        I then do another auto connect and it downloads all marked ones from the BBS and by the way, any additional headers that may have arrived at my BBS, during that short interval.
                        I then read my selected bulls, one after the other, saving some and deleting unread headers! Such kept bulls and pnl;s are stored on the hard disc!
                        Personal mail also comes in auto, with the headers and alerts me with a specially appearing icon
                        PNLs are auto sent after composure by hitting the Mail icon. Sent mail is also auto sent.
                        There is no compression with Telnet Rod.
                        I think that is what the other BBS's are saying but not sure what is meant by reverse list?

                        However as I posted for you BPQ telnet port 6301, does not get as far as listing the headers, but disconnects abruptly!

                        In manual use of BBQ, one hits F2 that invokes the same BBS script file that auto uses, but does not do the auto thing, of putting up the user call sign and password.
                        The call sign and password must then be put in manually, that then takes one to the BBS prompt only. One can then hit L and bring in the headers (but are not stored). Then I have to then type in R bull No and read each selection individually. The read bull cannot be stored as it is in auto Rod.
                        This is not the way to use Winpack, which is designed for auto downloads, storing of bulls mail etc.

                        Even further one can set the Winpack timer clock to auto connect and download headers at a set time. This however was more appropriate for RF connections Rod.

                        73 de Dave

                        ---------------------------------------------------------------

                        --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Joel Yates <yate4899@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                        > Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and
                        > password wise?
                        > ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                        > Joel Yates
                        > yate4899@...
                        >
                        >
                        > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically
                        > > download headers from BPQMail.
                        > >
                        > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                        > > Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                        > >
                        > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                        > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                        > > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org
                        > >
                        > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                        > >
                        > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                        > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                        > > Callsign:Password:
                        > > Password:
                        > > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                        > > Enter ? for list of commands
                        > >
                        > > *** Connected to SWITCH
                        > >
                        > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
                        > > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS
                        > > Headers.
                        > >
                        > > Regards Rod......////
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                        > > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                        > > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                        > > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                        > > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                        > > >
                        > > > 73,
                        > > > John
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                        > > > vk2dot
                        > > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                        > > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Hi All.
                        > > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                        > > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                        > > >
                        > > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                        > > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                        > > >
                        > > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                        > > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                        > > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                        > > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                        > > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                        > > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                        > > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                        > > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                        > > > flexibility.
                        > > >
                        > > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                        > > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                        > > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                        > > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                        > > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                        > > >
                        > > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                        > > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                        > > > -
                        > > >
                        > > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                        > > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                        > > > to do it manually.
                        > > >
                        > > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                        > > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                        > > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                        > > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                        > > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                        > > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                        > > >
                        > > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                        > > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                        > > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                        > > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                        > > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                        > > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                        > > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                        > > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                        > > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                        > > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                        > > > problem.
                        > > >
                        > > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                        > > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                        > > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                        > > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                        > > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                        > > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                        > > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                        > > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                        > > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                        > > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                        > > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                        > > >
                        > > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                        > > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                        > > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                        > > > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                        > > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                        > > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                        > > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                        > > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                        > > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                        > > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                        > > >
                        > > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                        > > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                        > > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                        > > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                        > > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                        > > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                        > > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                        > > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                        > > > (2) Enable Password required
                        > > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                        > > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                        > > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                        > > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                        > > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                        > > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                        > > > the system.
                        > > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                        > > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                        > > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                        > > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                        > > >
                        > > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                        > > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                        > > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                        > > >
                        > > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                        > > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                        > > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                        > > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                        > > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                        > > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                        > > >
                        > > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                        > > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                        > > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                        > > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                        > > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                        > > > BPQMailChat here.
                        > > >
                        > > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                        > > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                        > > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                        > > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                        > > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                        > > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                        > > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                        > > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                        > > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                        > > >
                        > > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                        > > >
                        > > > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • K.O. Higgs
                        I am also successfully doing an automatic bbs session with BPQMail using Winpack. I just set Winpack to use Human Mode and it works fine. You will have to
                        Message 11 of 18 , May 28, 2010
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                          I am also successfully doing an automatic bbs session with BPQMail using Winpack. I just set Winpack to use "Human Mode" and it works fine. You will have to add another line to Winpack's connect script to connect from the node to the bbs.

                          K.O. N0KFQ

                          On 5/28/2010 8:17 AM, vk2dot wrote:
                           

                          Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all.
                          Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack & Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2 [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.

                          regards Rod.....///

                          ----------------------------------------------------------
                          Hi Rod I simply hit Winpack mailbox icon that causes Winpack to do an auto connect to ur BBS following with the auto download of available next headers for the day, approx. 20-50?. Then disconnects.
                          I then hit the bull's head icon to list these headers on my computer, whilst disconnected..They are now listed ready for me to mark any I want to read with the * mark
                          I then do another auto connect and it downloads all marked ones from the BBS and by the way, any additional headers that may have arrived at my BBS, during that short interval.
                          I then read my selected bulls, one after the other, saving some and deleting unread headers! Such kept bulls and pnl;s are stored on the hard disc!
                          Personal mail also comes in auto, with the headers and alerts me with a specially appearing icon
                          PNLs are auto sent after composure by hitting the Mail icon. Sent mail is also auto sent.
                          There is no compression with Telnet Rod.
                          I think that is what the other BBS's are saying but not sure what is meant by reverse list?

                          However as I posted for you BPQ telnet port 6301, does not get as far as listing the headers, but disconnects abruptly!

                          In manual use of BBQ, one hits F2 that invokes the same BBS script file that auto uses, but does not do the auto thing, of putting up the user call sign and password.
                          The call sign and password must then be put in manually, that then takes one to the BBS prompt only. One can then hit L and bring in the headers (but are not stored). Then I have to then type in R bull No and read each selection individually. The read bull cannot be stored as it is in auto Rod.
                          This is not the way to use Winpack, which is designed for auto downloads, storing of bulls mail etc.

                          Even further one can set the Winpack timer clock to auto connect and download headers at a set time. This however was more appropriate for RF connections Rod.

                          73 de Dave

                          ----------------------------------------------------------

                          --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Joel Yates <yate4899@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                          > Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and
                          > password wise?
                          > ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                          > Joel Yates
                          > yate4899@...
                          >
                          >
                          > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically
                          > > download headers from BPQMail.
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > > Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                          > >
                          > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                          > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                          > > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                          > >
                          > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                          > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                          > > Callsign:Password:
                          > > Password:
                          > > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                          > > Enter ? for list of commands
                          > >
                          > > *** Connected to SWITCH
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS
                          > > Headers.
                          > >
                          > > Regards Rod......////
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                          > > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                          > > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                          > > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                          > > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                          > > >
                          > > > 73,
                          > > > John
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                          > > > vk2dot
                          > > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                          > > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi All.
                          > > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                          > > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                          > > >
                          > > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                          > > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                          > > >
                          > > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                          > > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                          > > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                          > > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                          > > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                          > > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                          > > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                          > > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                          > > > flexibility.
                          > > >
                          > > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                          > > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                          > > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                          > > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                          > > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                          > > >
                          > > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                          > > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                          > > > -
                          > > >
                          > > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                          > > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                          > > > to do it manually.
                          > > >
                          > > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                          > > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                          > > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                          > > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                          > > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                          > > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                          > > >
                          > > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                          > > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                          > > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                          > > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                          > > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                          > > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                          > > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                          > > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                          > > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                          > > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                          > > > problem.
                          > > >
                          > > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                          > > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                          > > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                          > > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                          > > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                          > > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                          > > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                          > > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                          > > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                          > > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                          > > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                          > > >
                          > > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                          > > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                          > > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                          > > > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                          > > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                          > > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                          > > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                          > > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                          > > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                          > > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                          > > >
                          > > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                          > > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                          > > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                          > > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                          > > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                          > > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                          > > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                          > > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                          > > > (2) Enable Password required
                          > > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                          > > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                          > > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                          > > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                          > > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                          > > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                          > > > the system.
                          > > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                          > > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                          > > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                          > > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                          > > >
                          > > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                          > > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                          > > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                          > > >
                          > > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                          > > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                          > > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                          > > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                          > > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                          > > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                          > > >
                          > > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                          > > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                          > > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                          > > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                          > > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                          > > > BPQMailChat here.
                          > > >
                          > > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                          > > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                          > > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                          > > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                          > > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                          > > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                          > > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                          > > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                          > > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                          > > >
                          > > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                          > > >
                          > > > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >


                          -- 
                          
                          K.O. Higgs 
                          n0kfq@...
                          
                          
                        • John Wiseman
                          Sorry, I don t understand how a user can see the ui headers if he is on telnet. 73,vJohn ... From: vk2dot To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com Sent:
                          Message 12 of 18 , May 29, 2010
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                            Sorry, I don't understand how a user can see the ui headers if he is on telnet.

                            73,vJohn


                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "vk2dot" <vk2dot@...>
                            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: 28/05/10 09:04
                            Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack

                            John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail.

                            --------------------------------------------------------------------
                                    Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below

                            c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                            *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                            Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org

                            --------------------------------------------------------------------

                            Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below

                            c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                            *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                            Callsign:Password:
                            Password:
                            Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                            Enter ? for list of commands

                            *** Connected to SWITCH

                            -------------------------------------------------------------------
                            The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS Headers.

                            Regards Rod......////



                            --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                            > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                            > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                            > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                            > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            > John
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            > vk2dot
                            > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                            > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi All.
                            > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                            > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                            >
                            > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                            > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                            >
                            > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                            > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                            > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                            > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                            > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                            > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                            > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                            > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                            > flexibility.
                            >
                            > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                            > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                            > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                            > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                            > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                            >
                            > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                            > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                            > -
                            >
                            > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                            > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                            > to do it manually.
                            >
                            > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                            > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                            > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                            > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                            > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                            > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                            >
                            > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                            > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                            > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                            > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                            > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                            > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                            > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                            > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                            > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                            > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                            > problem.
                            >
                            > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                            > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                            > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                            > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                            > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                            > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                            > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                            > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                            > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                            > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                            > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                            >
                            > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                            > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                            > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                            > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                            > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                            > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                            > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                            > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                            > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                            > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                            >
                            > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                            > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                            > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                            > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                            > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                            > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                            > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                            > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                            > (2) Enable Password required
                            > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                            > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                            > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                            > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                            > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                            > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                            > the system.
                            > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                            > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                            > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                            > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                            >
                            > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                            > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                            > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                            >
                            > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                            > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                            > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                            > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                            > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                            > software. This should be a very low priority.
                            >
                            > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                            > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                            > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                            > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                            > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                            > BPQMailChat here.
                            >
                            > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                            > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                            > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                            > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                            > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                            > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                            > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                            > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                            > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                            >
                            > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                            >
                            > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                            >
                          • Joel Yates
                            Thank You John !!! I agree. ...73 s...Joel N4JOA@N4JOA Joel Yates yate4899@gmail.com
                            Message 13 of 18 , May 29, 2010
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                              Thank You John !!! I agree.
                              ...73's...Joel N4JOA@N4JOA
                              Joel Yates
                              yate4899@...


                              On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, John Wiseman <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                              Sorry, I don't understand how a user can see the ui headers if he is on telnet.

                              73,vJohn


                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: "vk2dot" <vk2dot@...>
                              To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: 28/05/10 09:04
                              Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack

                              John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail.

                              --------------------------------------------------------------------
                                       Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below

                               c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                               *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                               Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org

                              --------------------------------------------------------------------

                              Reply 2 Manual 6301  as below

                              c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                              *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                              Callsign:Password:
                              Password:
                              Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                              Enter ? for list of commands

                              *** Connected to SWITCH

                              -------------------------------------------------------------------
                              The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS Headers.

                              Regards Rod......////



                              --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                              > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                              > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                              > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                              > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                              >
                              > 73,
                              > John
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                              > vk2dot
                              > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                              > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi All.
                              > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                              > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                              >
                              > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                              > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                              >
                              > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                              > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                              > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                              > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                              > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                              > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                              > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                              > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                              > flexibility.
                              >
                              > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                              > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                              > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                              > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                              > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                              >
                              > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                              > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                              > -
                              >
                              > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                              > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                              > to do it manually.
                              >
                              > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                              > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                              > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                              > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                              > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                              > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                              >
                              > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                              > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                              > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                              > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                              > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                              > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                              > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                              > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                              > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                              > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                              > problem.
                              >
                              > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                              > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                              > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                              > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                              > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                              > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                              > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                              > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                              > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                              > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                              > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                              >
                              > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                              > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                              > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                              > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                              > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                              > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                              > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                              > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                              > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                              > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                              >
                              > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                              > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                              > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                              > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                              > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                              > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                              > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                              > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                              > (2) Enable Password required
                              > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                              > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                              > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                              > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                              > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                              > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                              > the system.
                              > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                              > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                              > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                              > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                              >
                              > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                              > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                              > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                              >
                              > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                              > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                              > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                              > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                              > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                              > software. This should be a very low priority.
                              >
                              > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                              > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                              > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                              > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                              > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                              > BPQMailChat here.
                              >
                              > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                              > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                              > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                              > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                              > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                              > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                              > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                              > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                              > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                              >
                              > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                              >
                              > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                              >





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                            • Miroslav Skoric
                              ... Hi Rod, Your digital experience sounds interesting. Have you ever put it on paper? In my case, I have been thinking about writing a book about my
                              Message 14 of 18 , May 30, 2010
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                                On 5/28/2010 3:17 PM, vk2dot wrote:

                                > Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack& Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2 [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.
                                >

                                Hi Rod,

                                Your digital experience sounds interesting. Have you ever put it on
                                paper? In my case, I have been thinking about writing a book about my
                                experience with ham packet radio. Last October I had a book chapter
                                about some of the topics in:

                                Handbook of Research on Human Performance and Instructional Technology
                                ISBN: 978-1-60566-782-9; 678 pp; October 2009
                                Published under Information Science Reference, an imprint of IGI Global
                                http://www.igi-global.com/reference/details.asp?id=34814
                                Edited by: Holim Song, Texas Southern University, USA; Terry T. Kidd,
                                Texas A&M University, USA

                                My further plan is to gather some few hams who have already done
                                something similar and/or are willingly to donate some time and efforts
                                to publish a book together. The problem I have here is that the
                                prospective market for the book is too small and I cannot find sponsors
                                to cover production costs. Maybe you could help? To be precise, I do not
                                plan to make any profit from that book (at least not now - maybe in the
                                future), but just want to see my research and results in print and
                                continue promoting ham radio around. (I mean, it is OK for me if a
                                publisher invest dollars in preparation and print of a book and makes
                                money of it later, while giving me some free copies of the book.)

                                Best regards,

                                Miroslav 'Misko' Skoric, YT7MPB

                                tutorial instructor:

                                http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FBB.html
                                http://www.icact.org/
                                http://www.iaeng.org/IMECS2009
                                http://www.iaria.org/conferences2008/ICWMC08.html
                                http://www.wseas.org/conferences/2008/greece/education/
                                http://www.wseas.us/conferences/2009/rodos/education
                                http://eurocon2007.isep.pw.edu.pl/index.php?id=tutorials.php

                                PS: I might be also interested in joining some VK technical conferences
                                with my ham tutorial session, in years to come. If you eventually find
                                it interesting, keep me informed about such events in your area.
                                Although I am the only sponsor of my conference trips, maybe I could
                                make a trip to VK one day.
                              • Charles Brabham
                                Rod, I am sorry to hear that Packet Radio has degenerated to such an extent there in Australia. When both user access and forwarding are done via non-ham
                                Message 15 of 18 , May 30, 2010
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                                  Rod,
                                   
                                  I am sorry to hear that Packet Radio has degenerated to such an extent there in Australia. When both user access and forwarding are done via non-ham means, the amateur radio aspect of "Packet Radio" is no longer there, and the BBS stations are then just another internet application, which is another hobby altogether.
                                   
                                  We have seen the same problem here in the US, though not to such a severe degree. This is unfortunate for all hams, to surrender all of our communications to the internet rather than develop and advance amateur radio communications on our own part. Seeing the state of affairs there in Australia, the claims of Packet over IP enthusiasts about the practice bringing growth to amateur Packet Radio has finially exposed as the lie it always has been. - The end result is "radioless ham radio" where radio is perhaps talked about but no longer used, as many of us tried to warn against in years past.
                                   
                                  I am sure that there are amateurs in Australia who pride themselves as amateur radio operators and who thus are most unhappy with the degeneration of the hobby there as you have described. You may want to pass around the address in my signature to those amateurs who are still interested in using amateur radio. A new network is being planned that is not quite the same as the old Packet network, but which will be all amateur radio with no non-ham links or access of any kind allowed. Thus may amateur Packet Radio once again advance and develop as an application of amateur radio, as it was originally intended to do.
                                   
                                  Those who prefer to utilize the internet as hams will always have the old "Packet" network that they have undermined as their playground, and so have no basis for compaint.
                                   
                                  73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
                                   
                                  Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org !
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: vk2dot
                                  Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:17 AM
                                  Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack

                                   

                                  Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all.
                                  Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack & Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2 [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.

                                  regards Rod.....///

                                  ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  Hi Rod I simply hit Winpack mailbox icon that causes Winpack to do an auto connect to ur BBS following with the auto download of available next headers for the day, approx. 20-50?. Then disconnects.
                                  I then hit the bull's head icon to list these headers on my computer, whilst disconnected..They are now listed ready for me to mark any I want to read with the * mark
                                  I then do another auto connect and it downloads all marked ones from the BBS and by the way, any additional headers that may have arrived at my BBS, during that short interval.
                                  I then read my selected bulls, one after the other, saving some and deleting unread headers! Such kept bulls and pnl;s are stored on the hard disc!
                                  Personal mail also comes in auto, with the headers and alerts me with a specially appearing icon
                                  PNLs are auto sent after composure by hitting the Mail icon. Sent mail is also auto sent.
                                  There is no compression with Telnet Rod.
                                  I think that is what the other BBS's are saying but not sure what is meant by reverse list?

                                  However as I posted for you BPQ telnet port 6301, does not get as far as listing the headers, but disconnects abruptly!

                                  In manual use of BBQ, one hits F2 that invokes the same BBS script file that auto uses, but does not do the auto thing, of putting up the user call sign and password.
                                  The call sign and password must then be put in manually, that then takes one to the BBS prompt only. One can then hit L and bring in the headers (but are not stored). Then I have to then type in R bull No and read each selection individually. The read bull cannot be stored as it is in auto Rod.
                                  This is not the way to use Winpack, which is designed for auto downloads, storing of bulls mail etc.

                                  Even further one can set the Winpack timer clock to auto connect and download headers at a set time. This however was more appropriate for RF connections Rod.

                                  73 de Dave

                                  ----------------------------------------------------------

                                  --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Joel Yates <yate4899@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                                  > Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and
                                  > password wise?
                                  > ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                                  > Joel Yates
                                  > yate4899@...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically
                                  > > download headers from BPQMail.
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                                  > >
                                  > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                  > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                  > > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                                  > >
                                  > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                  > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                  > > Callsign:Password:
                                  > > Password:
                                  > > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                                  > > Enter ? for list of commands
                                  > >
                                  > > *** Connected to SWITCH
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS
                                  > > Headers.
                                  > >
                                  > > Regards Rod......////
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                                  > > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                                  > > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                                  > > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                                  > > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 73,
                                  > > > John
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                  > > > vk2dot
                                  > > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                                  > > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Hi All.
                                  > > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                                  > > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                                  > > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                                  > > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                                  > > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                                  > > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                                  > > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                                  > > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                                  > > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                                  > > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                                  > > > flexibility.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                                  > > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                                  > > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                                  > > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                                  > > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                                  > > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                                  > > > -
                                  > > >
                                  > > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                                  > > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                                  > > > to do it manually.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                                  > > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                                  > > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                                  > > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                                  > > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                                  > > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                                  > > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                                  > > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                                  > > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                                  > > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                                  > > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                                  > > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                                  > > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                                  > > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                                  > > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                                  > > > problem.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                                  > > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                                  > > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                                  > > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                                  > > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                                  > > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                                  > > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                                  > > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                                  > > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                                  > > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                                  > > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                                  > > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                                  > > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                                  > > > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                                  > > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                                  > > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                                  > > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                                  > > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                                  > > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                                  > > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                                  > > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                                  > > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                                  > > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                                  > > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                                  > > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                                  > > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                                  > > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                                  > > > (2) Enable Password required
                                  > > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                                  > > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                                  > > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                                  > > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                                  > > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                                  > > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                                  > > > the system.
                                  > > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                                  > > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                                  > > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                                  > > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                                  > > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                                  > > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                                  > > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                                  > > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                                  > > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                                  > > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                                  > > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                                  > > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                                  > > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                                  > > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                                  > > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                                  > > > BPQMailChat here.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                                  > > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                                  > > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                                  > > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                                  > > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                                  > > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                                  > > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                                  > > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                                  > > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • Mark
                                  The days of 10 or more users getting together for a round table on a local X1J Node two or three nights a week like we did in the 90 s is over. Now, I get a
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                                    The days of 10 or more users getting together for a round table on a local X1J Node two or three nights a week
                                    like we did in the 90's is over. Now, I get a couple of users that connect to the Dx Cluster occasionally.
                                    That's all the use the (RF) Network get's in this part of the country. There are a hand full of us sysops left that
                                    maintain the link equipment. Personally, I sold off most of the backbone equipment I had last year. It was
                                    taking too much time and money to maintain for such little use.
                                     Yes, we talked up Packet Radio at local club meetings, etc. Seems like the newer Hams are more interested
                                    in other areas of the hobby and would rather spend $$ on HF gear, etc.
                                    The 'big' motivation lately appears to be in government funded emergency digital communication which has clubs
                                    scrambling to get their hands on available funds. This has brought back some rebuilding of the infrastructure in my State (NY).
                                    But it's a long way from where it was 10 years ago and it hasn't increased the User base at all.
                                    So, at least for me, it's time to move on. I still maintain an RF backbone link and User port for Dx Cluster access but that's all.

                                    This is just my perspective as a sysop for the last 15 years.

                                    - Mark K2CAN

                                    On 5/30/2010 9:51 AM, Charles Brabham wrote:
                                     

                                    Rod,
                                     
                                    I am sorry to hear that Packet Radio has degenerated to such an extent there in Australia. When both user access and forwarding are done via non-ham means, the amateur radio aspect of "Packet Radio" is no longer there, and the BBS stations are then just another internet application, which is another hobby altogether.
                                     
                                    We have seen the same problem here in the US, though not to such a severe degree. This is unfortunate for all hams, to surrender all of our communications to the internet rather than develop and advance amateur radio communications on our own part. Seeing the state of affairs there in Australia, the claims of Packet over IP enthusiasts about the practice bringing growth to amateur Packet Radio has finially exposed as the lie it always has been. - The end result is "radioless ham radio" where radio is perhaps talked about but no longer used, as many of us tried to warn against in years past.
                                     
                                    I am sure that there are amateurs in Australia who pride themselves as amateur radio operators and who thus are most unhappy with the degeneration of the hobby there as you have described. You may want to pass around the address in my signature to those amateurs who are still interested in using amateur radio. A new network is being planned that is not quite the same as the old Packet network, but which will be all amateur radio with no non-ham links or access of any kind allowed. Thus may amateur Packet Radio once again advance and develop as an application of amateur radio, as it was originally intended to do.
                                     
                                    Those who prefer to utilize the internet as hams will always have the old "Packet" network that they have undermined as their playground, and so have no basis for compaint.
                                     
                                    73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
                                     
                                    Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet. Org !
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: vk2dot
                                    Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:17 AM
                                    Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack

                                     

                                    Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all.
                                    Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack & Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2 [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.

                                    regards Rod.....///

                                    ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
                                    Hi Rod I simply hit Winpack mailbox icon that causes Winpack to do an auto connect to ur BBS following with the auto download of available next headers for the day, approx. 20-50?. Then disconnects.
                                    I then hit the bull's head icon to list these headers on my computer, whilst disconnected. .They are now listed ready for me to mark any I want to read with the * mark
                                    I then do another auto connect and it downloads all marked ones from the BBS and by the way, any additional headers that may have arrived at my BBS, during that short interval.
                                    I then read my selected bulls, one after the other, saving some and deleting unread headers! Such kept bulls and pnl;s are stored on the hard disc!
                                    Personal mail also comes in auto, with the headers and alerts me with a specially appearing icon
                                    PNLs are auto sent after composure by hitting the Mail icon. Sent mail is also auto sent.
                                    There is no compression with Telnet Rod.
                                    I think that is what the other BBS's are saying but not sure what is meant by reverse list?

                                    However as I posted for you BPQ telnet port 6301, does not get as far as listing the headers, but disconnects abruptly!

                                    In manual use of BBQ, one hits F2 that invokes the same BBS script file that auto uses, but does not do the auto thing, of putting up the user call sign and password.
                                    The call sign and password must then be put in manually, that then takes one to the BBS prompt only. One can then hit L and bring in the headers (but are not stored). Then I have to then type in R bull No and read each selection individually. The read bull cannot be stored as it is in auto Rod.
                                    This is not the way to use Winpack, which is designed for auto downloads, storing of bulls mail etc.

                                    Even further one can set the Winpack timer clock to auto connect and download headers at a set time. This however was more appropriate for RF connections Rod.

                                    73 de Dave

                                    ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

                                    --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com, Joel Yates <yate4899@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                                    > Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long into user and
                                    > password wise?
                                    > ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                                    > Joel Yates
                                    > yate4899@...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically
                                    > > download headers from BPQMail.
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
                                    > > Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                                    > >
                                    > > c vk2dot.dyndns. org:6301
                                    > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns. org
                                    > > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns. org
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
                                    > >
                                    > > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                                    > >
                                    > > c vk2dot.dyndns. org:6301
                                    > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns. org
                                    > > Callsign:Password:
                                    > > Password:
                                    > > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                                    > > Enter ? for list of commands
                                    > >
                                    > > *** Connected to SWITCH
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
                                    > > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS
                                    > > Headers.
                                    > >
                                    > > Regards Rod....../// /
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups. com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                                    > > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                                    > > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                                    > > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                                    > > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 73,
                                    > > > John
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
                                    > > > vk2dot
                                    > > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                                    > > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
                                    > > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hi All.
                                    > > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                                    > > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                                    > > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                                    > > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                                    > > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                                    > > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                                    > > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                                    > > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                                    > > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                                    > > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                                    > > > flexibility.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                                    > > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                                    > > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                                    > > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                                    > > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                                    > > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                                    > > > -
                                    > > >
                                    > > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                                    > > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                                    > > > to do it manually.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                                    > > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                                    > > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                                    > > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                                    > > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                                    > > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                                    > > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                                    > > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                                    > > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                                    > > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                                    > > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                                    > > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                                    > > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                                    > > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                                    > > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                                    > > > problem.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                                    > > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                                    > > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                                    > > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                                    > > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                                    > > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                                    > > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                                    > > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                                    > > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                                    > > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                                    > > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                                    > > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                                    > > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                                    > > > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                                    > > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                                    > > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                                    > > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                                    > > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                                    > > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                                    > > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                                    > > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                                    > > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                                    > > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                                    > > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                                    > > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                                    > > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                                    > > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                                    > > > (2) Enable Password required
                                    > > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                                    > > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                                    > > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                                    > > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                                    > > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                                    > > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                                    > > > the system.
                                    > > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                                    > > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                                    > > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                                    > > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                                    > > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                                    > > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                                    > > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                                    > > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                                    > > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                                    > > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                                    > > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                                    > > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                                    > > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                                    > > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                                    > > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                                    > > > BPQMailChat here.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                                    > > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                                    > > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                                    > > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                                    > > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                                    > > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                                    > > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                                    > > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                                    > > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Regards Rod VK2DOT..//// /
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                    > >
                                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >

                                  • vk2dot
                                    Charles, Mark and Misko, thanks for your thoughts. There are a number of Australians who do think the way you are thinking. But there is a major problem in
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                                      Charles, Mark and Misko, thanks for your thoughts. There are a number of Australians who do think the way you are thinking. But there is a major problem in Australia. This is why some of us are trying to get the WinPack option changed for BPQMailChat.

                                      Reiterating a little from past messages –

                                      1: Australia is slightly bigger than the USA in land area, but with only just over 20 million people. Distances are great so HF or the internet is the only way to forward.

                                      2: Most Australians live on the coastal fringe with few in the country. In the past there were digi repeaters up and down the coast linked by UHF & VHF backbones, and HF links on farms [stations] in the country areas.

                                      3: Why do most of us run VHF/UHF & Internet [AXUDP/AXIP] instead of HF. Mainly because of interference we cause [bad TV installations, etc] and land availability. I only have an acre and that is not enough for a descent HF setup. Plus the cost of replacing HF equipment over the years becomes excessive.

                                      4: One would say that all BBS Sys Ops in Australia run VHF and/or UHF RF ports for local users to use. In my case we have put remote nodes connected to VK2DOT via the internet [AXUDP] to enable remote users to be able to connect to a BBS and other systems over the world. I have a problem with HF links carrying an increasing user traffic in the future.

                                      5: One major problem, unfortunately one sees – That John [G8BPQ] is the only packet developer left in the world. When John gets tired of doing what he does best [other than sailing], what is going to happen to the packet BBS system. [there are others doing a little work, but nothing like John.]

                                      6: Another major problem being that in Australia, the foundation licence was generated, to enable new blood to come into amateur radio. The unfortunate side, was that they are not allow to use packet radio [no digital]. This would have boosted the ranks quite a bit. Also the foundation calls have a four letter callsign [VK2F???], the packet system has not been designed for four letters.

                                      7: In the past there were a few BBS's, normally one per area and many users surrounding the BBS, now there are few users and dwindling BBS's. In the past there were packet wars, with hams having a dedication in regards to a certain protocol, and other matters. Which caused all sorts of problems here in Australia.

                                      8: One will admit that the emergency communication is a good challenge; but we should be doing the planning, designing, etc of the network. [these comments are for Australia only.] At one University we were at around the world, one was part of a disaster think tank [all University facilities were included] – advising the country's government on directions. Communications covered approximately 20% of the planning. Very interesting.

                                      9: We have to setup more ideas to keep users connected and attract more new or old packet hams. What we need are a few hams over the world to act as a "think tank" to generate new ideas and forward the hobby to new heights. Not politicians, or bullshit artists but members who have experience and direction, plus good personal skills. I do not think that this BPQMail forum is the place for it, but a port to enhance BBS use for users and system operators in the future.

                                      10: One change that occurred many years ago was the use of Sound Card software to replace the hardware TNC. These are the type of innovations we need.

                                      11: We used to have many users in the past that would climb through the HF and AXUDP networks to other states and countries to keyboard with other users. This may be a saviour of packet radio in the future, this is a request of John, for more Alias's entries. We have to forward plan, strategically think and try to implement ideas from all parts of the world, this is why one is writing this short story.

                                      12: Also we need a register of BPQMail/BPQ32 ideas in the files section, which would contain all new suggestions generated by BPQMail yahoo members to enhance BPQMail. These ideas are contained all throughout the messages and hard to go back and find them. That would stop us from suggesting something that had been probably suggested a number of months or years ago, and stop loading John up with too many ideas.

                                      13: No, one is not going to write a book on past experiences in packet radio. That is the past, all old stuff, one prefers to live in the NOW these days. We would prefer for members to enjoy NOW and plan for the future. Plus, we are up to ones neck writing a book on Pure Philosophy; The way we are going it could be another ten years before we finish it and we will not bore you on that subject.

                                      Unfortunately we are a long way away from the WinPack problem with the BPQMail BBS, but hopefully it will give an understanding of where we are coming from and where we want to go. Being retired for ten years, packet radio is a retirement hobby only, but one has even retired from the local radio club for they are not interested in building, developing or furthering radio any more. So one mainly only services the packet community these days.

                                      One gained an amateur radio licence in 1960 and worked in the USA in the mid 1960's with DARPA on intel packet research and development. Back in Australia from an overseas University stint in 1980, one had entry into the amateur packet world, mainly in TCP/IP [see makenos.exe] and have been with it since. Those days were very good.

                                      KO, David, Dom, Peter and myself are trying to solve this WinPack problem. We think that when it is solved, it will enhance BPQMail to a higher level and satisfy a lot of new users to BPQMail.

                                      Hope you all are well; Regards Rod……////





                                      --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Mark <mharloff@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > The days of 10 or more users getting together for a round table on a
                                      > local X1J Node two or three nights a week
                                      > like we did in the 90's is over. Now, I get a couple of users that
                                      > connect to the Dx Cluster occasionally.
                                      > That's all the use the (RF) Network get's in this part of the country.
                                      > There are a hand full of us sysops left that
                                      > maintain the link equipment. Personally, I sold off most of the backbone
                                      > equipment I had last year. It was
                                      > taking too much time and money to maintain for such little use.
                                      > Yes, we talked up Packet Radio at local club meetings, etc. Seems like
                                      > the newer Hams are more interested
                                      > in other areas of the hobby and would rather spend $$ on HF gear, etc.
                                      > The 'big' motivation lately appears to be in government funded emergency
                                      > digital communication which has clubs
                                      > scrambling to get their hands on available funds. This has brought back
                                      > some rebuilding of the infrastructure in my State (NY).
                                      > But it's a long way from where it was 10 years ago and it hasn't
                                      > increased the User base at all.
                                      > So, at least for me, it's time to move on. I still maintain an RF
                                      > backbone link and User port for Dx Cluster access but that's all.
                                      >
                                      > This is just my perspective as a sysop for the last 15 years.
                                      >
                                      > - Mark K2CAN
                                      >
                                      > On 5/30/2010 9:51 AM, Charles Brabham wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Rod,
                                      > > I am sorry to hear that Packet Radio has degenerated to such an extent
                                      > > there in Australia. When both user access and forwarding are done via
                                      > > non-ham means, the amateur radio aspect of "Packet Radio" is no longer
                                      > > there, and the BBS stations are then just another internet
                                      > > application, which is another hobby altogether.
                                      > > We have seen the same problem here in the US, though not to such a
                                      > > severe degree. This is unfortunate for all hams, to surrender all of
                                      > > our communications to the internet rather than develop and advance
                                      > > amateur radio communications on our own part. Seeing the state of
                                      > > affairs there in Australia, the claims of Packet over IP enthusiasts
                                      > > about the practice bringing growth to amateur Packet Radio has
                                      > > finially exposed as the lie it always has been. - The end result is
                                      > > "radioless ham radio" where radio is perhaps talked about but no
                                      > > longer used, as many of us tried to warn against in years past.
                                      > > I am sure that there are amateurs in Australia who pride themselves as
                                      > > amateur radio operators and who thus are most unhappy with the
                                      > > degeneration of the hobby there as you have described. You may want to
                                      > > pass around the address in my signature to those amateurs who are
                                      > > still interested in using amateur radio. A new network is being
                                      > > planned that is not quite the same as the old Packet network, but
                                      > > which will be all amateur radio with no non-ham links or access of any
                                      > > kind allowed. Thus may amateur Packet Radio once again advance and
                                      > > develop as an application of amateur radio, as it was originally
                                      > > intended to do.
                                      > > Those who prefer to utilize the internet as hams will always have the
                                      > > old "Packet" network that they have undermined as their playground,
                                      > > and so have no basis for compaint.
                                      > > 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
                                      > > Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by
                                      > > at HamRadioNet.Org !
                                      > > http://www.hamradionet.org <http://www.hamradionet.org>
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > *From:* vk2dot <mailto:vk2dot@...>
                                      > > *To:* BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2010 8:17 AM
                                      > > *Subject:* [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack
                                      > >
                                      > > Hi all again, below is a reply from one of my bbs users on the
                                      > > WinPack matter. Hope it is of interest to you all.
                                      > > Additional information - Most radio clubs in Australia are
                                      > > removing packet nodes and replacing them with APRS digi's. So
                                      > > there is very little coverage in Australia for RF packet. A lot of
                                      > > packeter's now use telnet to get to the few BBS's in Australia. A
                                      > > few of us are trying to setup remote RF nodes around the country
                                      > > with spare laptops linked back to our BBS's via AXUDP links. I
                                      > > gave out two years ago aprox 40 PC's and Laptops, so amateurs
                                      > > could use the packet system. These were all setup with WinPack &
                                      > > Audio TNC's. Most of them still auto connect to my BBS VK2DOT-2
                                      > > [Linux/XFbb] for automatic bulletin, etc downloads. We are hoping
                                      > > that BPQMail will adventually allow automatic download of BBS headers.
                                      > >
                                      > > regards Rod.....///
                                      > >
                                      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > Hi Rod I simply hit Winpack mailbox icon that causes Winpack to do
                                      > > an auto connect to ur BBS following with the auto download of
                                      > > available next headers for the day, approx. 20-50?. Then disconnects.
                                      > > I then hit the bull's head icon to list these headers on my
                                      > > computer, whilst disconnected..They are now listed ready for me to
                                      > > mark any I want to read with the * mark
                                      > > I then do another auto connect and it downloads all marked ones
                                      > > from the BBS and by the way, any additional headers that may have
                                      > > arrived at my BBS, during that short interval.
                                      > > I then read my selected bulls, one after the other, saving some
                                      > > and deleting unread headers! Such kept bulls and pnl;s are stored
                                      > > on the hard disc!
                                      > > Personal mail also comes in auto, with the headers and alerts me
                                      > > with a specially appearing icon
                                      > > PNLs are auto sent after composure by hitting the Mail icon. Sent
                                      > > mail is also auto sent.
                                      > > There is no compression with Telnet Rod.
                                      > > I think that is what the other BBS's are saying but not sure what
                                      > > is meant by reverse list?
                                      > >
                                      > > However as I posted for you BPQ telnet port 6301, does not get as
                                      > > far as listing the headers, but disconnects abruptly!
                                      > >
                                      > > In manual use of BBQ, one hits F2 that invokes the same BBS script
                                      > > file that auto uses, but does not do the auto thing, of putting up
                                      > > the user call sign and password.
                                      > > The call sign and password must then be put in manually, that then
                                      > > takes one to the BBS prompt only. One can then hit L and bring in
                                      > > the headers (but are not stored). Then I have to then type in R
                                      > > bull No and read each selection individually. The read bull cannot
                                      > > be stored as it is in auto Rod.
                                      > > This is not the way to use Winpack, which is designed for auto
                                      > > downloads, storing of bulls mail etc.
                                      > >
                                      > > Even further one can set the Winpack timer clock to auto connect
                                      > > and download headers at a set time. This however was more
                                      > > appropriate for RF connections Rod.
                                      > >
                                      > > 73 de Dave
                                      > >
                                      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                      > > Joel Yates <yate4899@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Doesn't the UI only work on an RF port and not the telnet port?
                                      > > > Why would you try doing this on a port that you have to long
                                      > > into user and
                                      > > > password wise?
                                      > > > ...73's...Joel N4JOA @N4JOA
                                      > > > Joel Yates
                                      > > > yate4899@
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:04 AM, vk2dot <vk2dot@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to
                                      > > automatically
                                      > > > > download headers from BPQMail.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > > > Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                      > > > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                      > > > > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                      > > > > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                      > > > > Callsign:Password:
                                      > > > > Password:
                                      > > > > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                                      > > > > Enter ? for list of commands
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > *** Connected to SWITCH
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > > > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically
                                      > > downloading BBS
                                      > > > > Headers.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Regards Rod......////
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                      > > "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably
                                      > > know I'm away
                                      > > > > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have
                                      > > time to
                                      > > > > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the
                                      > > code does have
                                      > > > > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last
                                      > > time I tried
                                      > > > > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to
                                      > > enable it.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 73,
                                      > > > > > John
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                      > > Behalf Of
                                      > > > > > vk2dot
                                      > > > > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                                      > > > > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BPQ32%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Hi All.
                                      > > > > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an
                                      > > objective
                                      > > > > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from
                                      > > Fbb over time,
                                      > > > > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail
                                      > > - You need
                                      > > > > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                                      > > > > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the
                                      > > BPQMail Screens
                                      > > > > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                                      > > > > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb
                                      > > and have
                                      > > > > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat;
                                      > > But find
                                      > > > > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a
                                      > > Windows
                                      > > > > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                                      > > > > > flexibility.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using
                                      > > XRouter. But
                                      > > > > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years
                                      > > and only
                                      > > > > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter,
                                      > > being that
                                      > > > > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this
                                      > > route, as we
                                      > > > > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail,
                                      > > require a
                                      > > > > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate
                                      > > systems are
                                      > > > > > -
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable
                                      > > remote WinPack
                                      > > > > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers.
                                      > > WinPack users have
                                      > > > > > to do it manually.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding.
                                      > > We have to
                                      > > > > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter,
                                      > > Linux/Node or
                                      > > > > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to
                                      > > forward to a
                                      > > > > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back
                                      > > via the BPQ
                                      > > > > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one
                                      > > computer to do
                                      > > > > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias
                                      > > option with
                                      > > > > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option
                                      > > enables users to
                                      > > > > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around
                                      > > the country
                                      > > > > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just
                                      > > BBS transfers
                                      > > > > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node,
                                      > > you can
                                      > > > > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to
                                      > > Canada, etc. We
                                      > > > > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia,
                                      > > packet is dying,
                                      > > > > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and
                                      > > entice more
                                      > > > > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a
                                      > > number of users
                                      > > > > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                                      > > > > > problem.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our
                                      > > APRS node,
                                      > > > > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our
                                      > > system for
                                      > > > > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users
                                      > > to send
                                      > > > > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a
                                      > > BPQ32 port. If
                                      > > > > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE,
                                      > > TRACEn-n AND
                                      > > > > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS
                                      > > users
                                      > > > > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users
                                      > > and also to
                                      > > > > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also
                                      > > be very good.
                                      > > > > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000,
                                      > > APRS data to
                                      > > > > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your
                                      > > system on
                                      > > > > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would
                                      > > allow external
                                      > > > > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target
                                      > > call, instead
                                      > > > > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another
                                      > > station via
                                      > > > > > another port. This would allow external users to use a
                                      > > remote BPQ32
                                      > > > > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's
                                      > > callsign in the
                                      > > > > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote
                                      > > nodes, that
                                      > > > > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to
                                      > > VK2DOT - they
                                      > > > > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb
                                      > > software via an
                                      > > > > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to
                                      > > know the
                                      > > > > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for
                                      > > incoming Telnet
                                      > > > > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of
                                      > > us have run
                                      > > > > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system
                                      > > approach, with no
                                      > > > > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing
                                      > > into BPQ32,
                                      > > > > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet
                                      > > into our
                                      > > > > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to
                                      > > give us the
                                      > > > > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                                      > > > > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                                      > > > > > (2) Enable Password required
                                      > > > > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In
                                      > > other words,
                                      > > > > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                                      > > > > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or
                                      > > Linux/Node software.
                                      > > > > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept.
                                      > > It is amazing
                                      > > > > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function
                                      > > (1) "valid
                                      > > > > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from
                                      > > entering
                                      > > > > > the system.
                                      > > > > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of
                                      > > call-signs barred
                                      > > > > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                                      > > > > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection
                                      > > on another
                                      > > > > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us
                                      > > will drop our
                                      > > > > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node,
                                      > > XRouter, etc and
                                      > > > > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being
                                      > > from the old
                                      > > > > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That
                                      > > is very
                                      > > > > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the
                                      > > laptop. One
                                      > > > > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot
                                      > > burden the
                                      > > > > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb
                                      > > and other BBS
                                      > > > > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested
                                      > > question, however
                                      > > > > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that
                                      > > BPQMailChat
                                      > > > > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS
                                      > > developer
                                      > > > > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future.
                                      > > There are
                                      > > > > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                                      > > > > > BPQMailChat here.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node,
                                      > > VK2DOT-0 as
                                      > > > > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP
                                      > > machine; Plus
                                      > > > > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as
                                      > > Linux/XFbb, and
                                      > > > > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can
                                      > > see, the main
                                      > > > > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the
                                      > > DOS/XRouter & the
                                      > > > > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational
                                      > > situations.
                                      > > > > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations
                                      > > onto a
                                      > > > > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up,
                                      > > BPQMailChat
                                      > > > > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > ------------------------------------
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                    • vk2dot
                                      Hi All, K.O. have developed a system for WinPack users to use the BPQ Telnet Server to automatically acquire headers from the BPQMail BBS. We have pasted the
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                                        Hi All, K.O. have developed a system for WinPack users to use the BPQ Telnet Server to automatically acquire headers from the BPQMail BBS.
                                        We have pasted the methodology onto the "http://vk2dot.dyndns.org" web site under "Setting Up WinPack with BPQMail for BPQ Telnet Operation of Header Download:".
                                        Hopefully one hasn't any errors in the text. If you find any, please advise.

                                        Regards Rod.....////



                                        --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, John Wiseman <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Sorry, I don't understand how a user can see the ui headers if he is on telnet.
                                        >
                                        > 73,vJohn
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: "vk2dot" <vk2dot@...>
                                        > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: 28/05/10 09:04
                                        > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMail with WinPack
                                        >
                                        > John, this is the info we just received from users trying to automatically download headers from BPQMail.
                                        >
                                        > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                                        >         Still no go with auto Winpack Rod as below
                                        >
                                        > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                        > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                        > Callsign:*** TELNET DISCONNECTED from vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                        >
                                        > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                                        >
                                        > Reply 2 Manual 6301 as below
                                        >
                                        > c vk2dot.dyndns.org:6301
                                        > *** TELNET CONNECTED to vk2dot.dyndns.org
                                        > Callsign:Password:
                                        > Password:
                                        > Welcome to VK2DOT's Telnet Server
                                        > Enter ? for list of commands
                                        >
                                        > *** Connected to SWITCH
                                        >
                                        > -------------------------------------------------------------------
                                        > The users have no problems with Linux/XFbb, automatically downloading BBS Headers.
                                        >
                                        > Regards Rod......////
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Thanks Rod for some very useful feedback. As you probably know I'm away
                                        > > sailing at the moment, but will reply more fully when I have time to
                                        > > look more closely to your comments.One point though - the code does have
                                        > > a Header transmission system that worked with WinPack last time I tried
                                        > > it. Check "Enable UI System" on the main config screen to enable it.
                                        > >
                                        > > 73,
                                        > > John
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                        > > vk2dot
                                        > > Sent: 26 May 2010 10:32
                                        > > To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Subject: [BPQ32] Re: BPQMailChat vs WinFbb
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Hi All.
                                        > > Please do not take the following as a criticism, but as an objective
                                        > > analysis of the question, which may be built on over time.
                                        > >
                                        > > 1: One thinks that BPQMail will eventually take over from Fbb over time,
                                        > > but NOW to replace Fbb is not the time.
                                        > >
                                        > > 2: Even I like WinFbb, but it becomes a burden with BPQMail - You need
                                        > > two screens [monitors] at least to view all BPQMailChat & WinFbb
                                        > > operations at once. It becomes a clutter with all of the BPQMail Screens
                                        > > plus the WinFbb screen on the one monitor.
                                        > > I went away from WinFbb a number of years ago to Linux/XFbb and have
                                        > > been looking at going back to WinFbb because of BPQMailChat; But find
                                        > > that Linux/XFbb is very stable and with FbbW running on a Windows
                                        > > machine [remotely connected to Linux/XFbb] gives a great deal of
                                        > > flexibility.
                                        > >
                                        > > 3: A lot of us were spoilt rotten over time by using XRouter. But
                                        > > unfortunately it has not been updated for a number of years and only
                                        > > runs on a DOS machine. One of the good things about XRouter, being that
                                        > > it ported TCP/IP. I do not expect John [G8BPQ] to go this route, as we
                                        > > can use other systems connected to BPQ32 to do this job.
                                        > >
                                        > > 4: The problems that a number of us are having with BPQMail, require a
                                        > > lot of us to have XFbb/Node or WinFbb or XRouter on separate systems are
                                        > > -
                                        > >
                                        > > A: BPQMail does not have Header transmissions to enable remote WinPack
                                        > > to automatically download bulletin & message Headers. WinPack users have
                                        > > to do it manually.
                                        > >
                                        > > B: BPQMail does not have Telnet out option for forwarding. We have to
                                        > > connect to a second system such as Linux/XFbb, XRouter, Linux/Node or
                                        > > WinFbb, then telnet out of that BBS or Router to be able to forward to a
                                        > > Linux partner. These Telnet forward partners can telnet back via the BPQ
                                        > > telnet Server to BPQMail. Ie We have to run more than one computer to do
                                        > > a complete BBS task of forwarding.
                                        > >
                                        > > C: John [G8BPQ] has told me that he is updating his Alias option with
                                        > > BPQ32 to enable more that 8 Alias's. This Alias option enables users to
                                        > > use your BPQ32 as a gateway to other Packet systems around the country
                                        > > and world. Thus, making packet more interesting than just BBS transfers
                                        > > for Packet system operators. Ie. On the VK2DOT-1 BPQ32 node, you can
                                        > > type in UK & go to the United Kingdom, or VE and go to Canada, etc. We
                                        > > are trying to entice more packet users - In Australia, packet is dying,
                                        > > we have to make it more interesting for packet users and entice more
                                        > > amateurs back to packet radio. This is an area where a number of users
                                        > > and BBS system operators should be thinking seriously about this
                                        > > problem.
                                        > >
                                        > > D: An APRS RS232 Port would enable us to use BPQ32 for our APRS node,
                                        > > that would allow us to remove XRouter or Linux/Node from our system for
                                        > > this purpose. This would allow BBS system operators or users to send
                                        > > traffic onto the APRS local network & Monitor APRS from a BPQ32 port. If
                                        > > BPQ32 supported generic digipeating for RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, TRACEn-n AND
                                        > > WIDEn-N aliases, it would be good. If BPQ32 allowed non APRS users
                                        > > [BPQ32 users] to exchange messages with APRS/UI-View users and also to
                                        > > send and read bulletins and announcements, that would also be very good.
                                        > > In XRouter, we are allowed to make available on port 8000, APRS data to
                                        > > run under UI-View on a remote PC. Users can connect to your system on
                                        > > port 8000 and view all APRS traffic - really good stuff.
                                        > >
                                        > > E: If proxy connections were allowed in BPQ32, this would allow external
                                        > > [RF or AXUDP] users to directly connect to a remote target call, instead
                                        > > of having to connect to BPQ32 then connect to another station via
                                        > > another port. This would allow external users to use a remote BPQ32
                                        > > system to connect to your local BBS by using the BBS's callsign in the
                                        > > remote connect. We have here a number of external remote nodes, that
                                        > > allow the remote users to just send a remote RF connect to VK2DOT - they
                                        > > are then automatically connected to my BPQMail or XFbb software via an
                                        > > AXUDP link from the external node. The user does not need to know the
                                        > > path used. Saves a lot of problems for the remote users.
                                        > >
                                        > > F: There is a problem with the BPQ32 access control for incoming Telnet
                                        > > port 23 [or other Telnet port number] connections. Many of us have run
                                        > > BBS's for over 20 years and have used an open system approach, with no
                                        > > problems. If BPQ32 had a more liberal approach to telnet-ing into BPQ32,
                                        > > we would be able to remove XRouter or Linux/Node for Telnet into our
                                        > > systems. BPQ32 Telnet Server would have to be changed to give us the
                                        > > following options to connect via Telnet protocol:-
                                        > > (1) Enable valid callsign required.
                                        > > (2) Enable Password required
                                        > > Most of use have (1) above enabled, but (2) NOT enabled. In other words,
                                        > > BBS's who do not trust there internet users would have (2) above
                                        > > enabled. These options are available on XRouter or Linux/Node software.
                                        > > We have never had a problem with this open system concept. It is amazing
                                        > > when you look at the logs for this operation, where function (1) "valid
                                        > > call-sign required" is enabled, it stops all the robots from entering
                                        > > the system.
                                        > > This can also be further enhanced by having a list of call-signs barred
                                        > > from getting to BPQ32 via the Telnet Server.
                                        > > Plus, you would still use a password for BPQMail connection on another
                                        > > port [eg 6300], if needed; Different to Telnet 23 port.
                                        > >
                                        > > 5: When the above has been implemented, then a lot of us will drop our
                                        > > other systems such as WinFbb, Linux/Fbb, Linux/Node, XRouter, etc and
                                        > > just run BPQ32 & BPQMailChat.
                                        > >
                                        > > 6: One last item, the documentation - Very good, but being from the old
                                        > > school I like to print it out, go to bed and read it. That is very
                                        > > difficult with BPQMailChat. My arms get tired holding the laptop. One
                                        > > document for the lot, would be just great, but we cannot burden the
                                        > > developers with too many requests. We can do this with Fbb and other BBS
                                        > > software. This should be a very low priority.
                                        > >
                                        > > One has dissertated on items more than the requested question, however
                                        > > it should point in a fashion, to where some of us hope that BPQMailChat
                                        > > will go. John [G8BPQ] seems to be the only amateur radio BBS developer
                                        > > doing good, I wish him well for BPQMailChat for the future. There are
                                        > > probably more items that need to be added to the list to enhance
                                        > > BPQMailChat here.
                                        > >
                                        > > My present system comprises of VK2DOT-1 as the BPQ32 node, VK2DOT-0 as
                                        > > the main BBS BPQMail and VK2DOT-7as BPQChat on a WinXP machine; Plus
                                        > > VK2DOT-9 as XRouter on a DOS machine; Plus VK2DOT-2 as Linux/XFbb, and
                                        > > VK2DOT-8 as Linux/Node on a separate machine. As you can see, the main
                                        > > BBS is the BPQMailChat machine, however we need the DOS/XRouter & the
                                        > > Linux/XFbb/Node machines to full fill all operational situations.
                                        > > Another machine is being used to put the XRouter operations onto a
                                        > > single Linux machine; then when BPQMailChat has grown up, BPQMailChat
                                        > > will replace the XRouter & Linux machines.
                                        > >
                                        > > One hopes that the above has been a little help than a hinder.
                                        > >
                                        > > Regards Rod VK2DOT../////
                                        > >
                                        >
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