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  • KG5KS - Kenny Thompson
    Wondering if Outpost or Winpack programs also could be used with BPQ32? Appreciate all of your hard work John. Thank you 73 Kenny ARS KG5KS
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      Wondering if Outpost or Winpack programs also could be used with BPQ32?

      Appreciate all of your hard work John.
       
      Thank you
      73
      Kenny
      ARS KG5KS



      From: John Wiseman <john.wiseman@...>
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:07:48 AM
      Subject: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

      I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly cleanly, and very few are still supported.

      My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.

      BBS.

      Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).

      All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);

      MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding over ax.25 and netrom.

      POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g. Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.

      Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and receive responses back from the recipient.


      Chat Server.

      Networked chat/converse node,  similar to FastChat, but with named topics

       

       

      Any comments/suggestion s would be appreciated.

      73, John G8BPQ

       

       




    • Wm Lewis
      John: Could the Converse server integrate with both the NOS Converse server AND the xrouter converse scheme ? It looked as if Paula had intended that... I
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        John:
         
        Could the Converse server integrate with both the NOS Converse server 'AND' the xrouter converse scheme ?
         
        It looked as if Paula had intended that... I think..
         
        I seem to remember that using Xrouter chat, if you entered a room number with a negative number, like room # -98 you were to be linking with the NOS converse room 98.
         
        I also seem to remember that someone else that an Xrouter system was linked to had to actaully do the linking of the servers. Xrouter alone could not link the two chat systems.
         
        It would be nice if there was a way to integrate the two.
         
        Just wishful thinking
         
        Bill
        KG6BAJ - Grass Valley
         

        To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        From: john.wiseman@...
        Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:07:48 +0100
        Subject: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software



        I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly cleanly, and very few are still supported.

        My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.

        BBS.

        Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).
        All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);

        MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding over ax.25 and netrom.

        POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g. Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.

        Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and receive responses back from the recipient.


        Chat Server.
        Networked chat/converse node,  similar to FastChat, but with named topics
         
         
        Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
        73, John G8BPQ
         
         







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      • Danny PD0SNK
        Hi John. Great news ! :) Is Unproto beacon also supported for use with TsTHwin and Winpack ? 73 s Danny PD0SNK
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          Hi John.
           
          Great news ! :)
           
          Is Unproto beacon also supported for use with TsTHwin and Winpack ?
           
          73's Danny PD0SNK
        • John Wiseman
          Bill, At the moment the protocol is compatible with Hank W0RLI s Roundtable server, but not the NOS converse system. This may change, or maybe a gateway could
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            Bill,
             
            At the moment the protocol is compatible with Hank W0RLI's Roundtable server, but not the NOS converse system. This may change, or maybe a gateway could be produced to link the systems. I'll bear this in mind.
             
             
            John
             
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            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wm Lewis
            Sent: 23 June 2009 21:49
            To: bpq32@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

            John:
             
            Could the Converse server integrate with both the NOS Converse server 'AND' the xrouter converse scheme ?
             
            It looked as if Paula had intended that... I think..
             
            I seem to remember that using Xrouter chat, if you entered a room number with a negative number, like room # -98 you were to be linking with the NOS converse room 98.
             
            I also seem to remember that someone else that an Xrouter system was linked to had to actaully do the linking of the servers. Xrouter alone could not link the two chat systems.
             
            It would be nice if there was a way to integrate the two.
             
            Just wishful thinking
             
            Bill
            KG6BAJ - Grass Valley
             


            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
            From: john.wiseman@ ntlworld. com
            Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:07:48 +0100
            Subject: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software



            I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly cleanly, and very few are still supported.

            My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.

            BBS.

            Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).
            All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);

            MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding over ax.25 and netrom.

            POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g. Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.

            Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and receive responses back from the recipient.


            Chat Server.
            Networked chat/converse node,  similar to FastChat, but with named topics
             
             
            Any comments/suggestion s would be appreciated.
            73, John G8BPQ
             
             







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          • John Wiseman
            I ll add that to the feature list. John ... From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny PD0SNK Sent: 23 June 2009 21:50 To:
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              I'll add that to the feature list.
               
               
              John
               
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              Sent: 23 June 2009 21:50
              To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [BPQ32] Re:New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

              Hi John.
               
              Great news ! :)
               
              Is Unproto beacon also supported for use with TsTHwin and Winpack ?
               
              73's Danny PD0SNK



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            • John Wiseman
              Winpack can be used with the bpq switch, and forwarding betwen the new BBS and Winpack shouldn t be a problem. As I understand it, Outpost is a front end for
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                Winpack can be used with the bpq switch, and forwarding betwen the new BBS and Winpack shouldn't be a problem.
                 
                As I understand it, Outpost is a "front end" for existing Packet BBS programs, giving an email client like interface. This won't be necessary, as you will be able to use a normal email client directly to the bbs, but it would probably work, or be easily made to work.
                 
                 
                John
                 
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                From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KG5KS - Kenny Thompson
                Sent: 23 June 2009 19:46
                To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

                Wondering if Outpost or Winpack programs also could be used with BPQ32?

                Appreciate all of your hard work John.
                 
                Thank you
                73
                Kenny
                ARS KG5KS



                From: John Wiseman <john.wiseman@ ntlworld. com>
                To: BPQ32@yahoogroups. com
                Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:07:48 AM
                Subject: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

                I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly cleanly, and very few are still supported.

                My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.

                BBS.

                Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).

                All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);

                MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding over ax.25 and netrom.

                POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g. Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.

                Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and receive responses back from the recipient.


                Chat Server.

                Networked chat/converse node,  similar to FastChat, but with named topics

                 

                 

                Any comments/suggestion s would be appreciated.

                73, John G8BPQ

                 

                 






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              • dshults
                Excellent news John! My short wish list: - White Pages server. - Remote request directory and file server. - Interface to the SCS PCT line of tnc s (more of a
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                  Excellent news John!
                  My short wish list:
                  - White Pages server.
                  - Remote request directory and file server.
                  - Interface to the SCS PCT line of tnc's (more of a node feature).
                  - Rig control for HF scanning and forwarding.
                  - Logging of all system transactions (for separate metrics analysis).
                  - Echo server.

                  How exciting....

                  73, Duane N7QDN


                  --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, "John Wiseman" <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically
                  > designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly
                  > adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly
                  > cleanly, and very few are still supported.
                  >
                  > My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on
                  > features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably
                  > be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.
                  >
                  > BBS.
                  >
                  > Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).
                  >
                  > All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);
                  >
                  > MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding
                  > over ax.25 and netrom.
                  >
                  > POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g.
                  > Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This
                  > will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be
                  > extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be
                  > convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.
                  >
                  > Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and
                  > receive responses back from the recipient.
                  >
                  >
                  > Chat Server.
                  >
                  > Networked chat/converse node, similar to FastChat, but with named
                  > topics
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
                  >
                  > 73, John G8BPQ
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=15699127/grpspId=1705063108/
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                • gervais
                  Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Softwarehi John it will also depends on How do we install it,the bbs? can BPQ32 be part of the BBS package? it will be
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                    Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software
                    hi John
                    it will also depends on How do we install it,the bbs?
                    can BPQ32 be part of the BBS package?
                     
                    it will be interesting to see it.
                    Great news
                     
                    73/s
                    gervais,ve2ckn
                    BBS VE2RXY
                     
                     

                    Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:13 AM
                    Subject: Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

                    Thank. You!
                    I've been looking for a bbs software to replace the old dos fbb my ares group has been using as the machine is almost dead.
                    Sounds great let me know when your ready to beta test!


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                    To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com <BPQ32@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tue Jun 23 10:07:48 2009
                    Subject: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software



                    I've decided to write a BBS and Chat (Converse) program specifically designed to interface to BPQ32. Although there are a number of perfectly adequate BBS programs about, none interface to BPQ32 particularly cleanly, and very few are still supported.

                    My current outline spec follows, but I'd welcome any suggestions on features you would like to see. The BBS and Chat features will probably be in the same program, but either may be disabled if not required.

                    BBS.

                    Basic Mailbox Functions (handling personal mail and bulletins).

                    All configuration via dialogs (no files to edit);

                    MBL/RLI standard forwarding and FBB-compatible compressed forwarding over ax.25 and netrom.

                    POP3 and SMTP servers, allowing a standard Internet mail client (e.g. Outlook) to send messages to, and receive messages from the BBS. This will initially only accept connections from the local host, but could be extended (e.g. to accepting connects from the local LAN) if I can be convinced that it would not be a major security/SPAM risk.

                    Ability to send locally input messages to an Internet email account, and receive responses back from the recipient.


                    Chat Server.

                    Networked chat/converse node,  similar to FastChat, but with named topics





                    Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

                    73, John G8BPQ








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                  • Peter Mallett
                    Hi John and the group, Excellent news to hear, I will be following progress very closely. I would also like to see native dumb Modem ( Baycom ) drivers for
                    Message 9 of 27 , Jun 23, 2009
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                      Hi John and the group,

                      Excellent news to hear, I will be following progress very closely.

                      I would also like to see native dumb Modem ( Baycom ) drivers for serial
                      ports and possibly parallel ports.

                      A method to export a mail.in file ready to email or perhaps an smtp
                      client to automate the process when it is necessary to email a BBS
                      forward if the partners BBS is down for an extended length of time.

                      A built in 7+ server

                      A full Node with AXUDP facilities like Xrouter does as I haven`t seen
                      any progress on that front for some years now and it`s looking more like
                      we are not going to see any more updates.

                      Can be run either _with_ or without _password_ structure.

                      I am sure there are a whole lot more things but thats me for now.

                      Looking forward to seeing it develop, if you would like a tester in NZ,
                      don`t hesitate to yell.

                      Regards ..... Peter
                    • Charles Brabham
                      Is it possible to have a special version, identifiable on the air by version number perhaps, that has no provision for non-ham forwarding or access? I am part
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                        Is it possible to have a special version, identifiable on the air by version number perhaps, that has no provision for non-ham forwarding or access?
                         
                        I am part of a group that is trying to put together an all-ham digital network, completely independent of non-ham resources. The rationale is:
                         
                        "Amateurs radio operators are the only group of private individuals in the world who have the ways and means to fund, build and maintain a worldwide communications network, independent of the internet and commercial or government entities. This is our own mount Everest, that only we may climb 'because it is there' only for ham radio operators like ourselves."

                        A special, all-ham version of the software would be useful for ensuring compliance by HRN participants, eliminating controversy and doubt. - We would simply require the use of the special software. As it is, we experience problems with hams who pretend to be using radio when in fact they do not. - We'd like to see what can be done with radio, and a special radio-only version of the software would be good for this.

                        I am not suggesting that this be the only version released, this is a request for a special-purpose version of the software for use by members of a new, all-ham network.

                        Take it easy!

                        73 DE Charles, N5PVL

                         

                         

                      • Lynn
                        I for one think that would be wonderful. I can t imagine the work that is required. It seems to me that with a renewed interest in packet and its use in
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                          I for one think that would be wonderful. I can't imagine the work that
                          is required.
                          It seems to me that with a renewed interest in packet and its use in
                          emergency communications,
                          a new packet packet that works with a proven platform is greatly needed.

                          I wish there was some way I (or we) could help, John.

                          Lynn - KB3FN
                        • John Wiseman
                          Peter and the group, As the BBS is designed to work as a BPQ32 application, it will have access to the full node facilites, including ax/udp, that BPQ32
                          Message 12 of 27 , Jun 24, 2009
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                            Peter and the group,
                             
                            As the BBS is designed to work as a BPQ32 application, it will have access to the full node facilites, including ax/udp, that BPQ32 provides. Issues such as the Baycom drivers would be part of the base BPQ32 development, rather than the BBS software. I did in fact start looking at a Baycom Serial Modem driver last winter, and it should be possible to write one for the W2K/XP platform, but only for machines with real (ie not USB) serial ports, and these are getting more difficult to find. I do have a Baycom Parallel port 9600 modem, but I'm not sure if I have an interface spec for it.
                             
                            FIle Export/Import will be included in some form, but I haven't decided exactly what yet. Likewise I haven't decided yet what SMTP/Telnet facilites to include. I'd love to see an all amateur network with no need for linking over the Internet, but accept that is not possible at the moment. If we have to use the Internet, I don't feel telnet is the right choice, but as my software will have to interface to other systems it may be unavoidable.
                             
                            My original intention was not to include 7+ and related stuff such as REQFIL/REQIR, as I suppose I see the system as primarily for messaging rather than file transfer, but this has been mentioned by a few of you, so I hay reconsider.
                             
                            I'm not sure what you mean by with or without password structure.
                             
                             
                            73,
                            John
                             
                             
                             
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                            From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Mallett
                            Sent: 24 June 2009 00:23
                            To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software


                            Hi John and the group,

                            Excellent news to hear, I will be following progress very closely.

                            I would also like to see native dumb Modem ( Baycom ) drivers for serial
                            ports and possibly parallel ports.

                            A method to export a mail.in file ready to email or perhaps an smtp
                            client to automate the process when it is necessary to email a BBS
                            forward if the partners BBS is down for an extended length of time.

                            A built in 7+ server

                            A full Node with AXUDP facilities like Xrouter does as I haven`t seen
                            any progress on that front for some years now and it`s looking more like
                            we are not going to see any more updates.

                            Can be run either _with_ or without _password_ structure.

                            I am sure there are a whole lot more things but thats me for now.

                            Looking forward to seeing it develop, if you would like a tester in NZ,
                            don`t hesitate to yell.

                            Regards ..... Peter



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                          • John Wiseman
                            Charles, I d love to see an all-ham netwrok, as in fact we had in the early 90 s. However, I m not sure how feasible it would be to produce a system which made
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                              Charles,
                               
                              I'd love to see an all-ham netwrok, as in fact we had in the early 90's. However, I'm not sure how feasible it would be to produce a system which made it impossiblre to "cheat" Even if I disabled the obvious Internet facilities like AXIP/UDP and telnet, it would be possible to set up a serial port tunnel which looked to the software  like a KISS TNC, but actually went over the Internet. In the end I think it will have to come down to honesty and trust.
                               
                               
                              73,
                              John
                               
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                              Sent: 24 June 2009 01:39
                              To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [BPQ32] New BBS and Chat/Converse Software

                              Is it possible to have a special version, identifiable on the air by version number perhaps, that has no provision for non-ham forwarding or access?
                               
                              I am part of a group that is trying to put together an all-ham digital network, completely independent of non-ham resources. The rationale is:
                               
                              "Amateurs radio operators are the only group of private individuals in the world who have the ways and means to fund, build and maintain a worldwide communications network, independent of the internet and commercial or government entities. This is our own mount Everest, that only we may climb 'because it is there' only for ham radio operators like ourselves."

                              A special, all-ham version of the software would be useful for ensuring compliance by HRN participants, eliminating controversy and doubt. - We would simply require the use of the special software. As it is, we experience problems with hams who pretend to be using radio when in fact they do not. - We'd like to see what can be done with radio, and a special radio-only version of the software would be good for this.

                              I am not suggesting that this be the only version released, this is a request for a special-purpose version of the software for use by members of a new, all-ham network.

                              Take it easy!

                              73 DE Charles, N5PVL

                               

                               



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                            • Peter Mallett
                              ... Hi John and the Group, What I was meaning by the password structure is that a sysop can configure the system to require a password to gain access or leave
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                                Peter and the group,
                                 
                                As the BBS is designed to work as a BPQ32 application, it will have access to the full node facilites, including ax/udp, that BPQ32 provides. Issues such as the Baycom drivers would be part of the base BPQ32 development, rather than the BBS software. I did in fact start looking at a Baycom Serial Modem driver last winter, and it should be possible to write one for the W2K/XP platform, but only for machines with real (ie not USB) serial ports, and these are getting more difficult to find. I do have a Baycom Parallel port 9600 modem, but I'm not sure if I have an interface spec for it.
                                 
                                FIle Export/Import will be included in some form, but I haven't decided exactly what yet. Likewise I haven't decided yet what SMTP/Telnet facilites to include. I'd love to see an all amateur network with no need for linking over the Internet, but accept that is not possible at the moment. If we have to use the Internet, I don't feel telnet is the right choice, but as my software will have to interface to other systems it may be unavoidable.
                                 
                                My original intention was not to include 7+ and related stuff such as REQFIL/REQIR, as I suppose I see the system as primarily for messaging rather than file transfer, but this has been mentioned by a few of you, so I hay reconsider.
                                 
                                I'm not sure what you mean by with or without password structure.
                                 
                                 
                                73,
                                John
                                 

                                Hi John and the Group,

                                                                      What I was meaning by the password structure is that a sysop can configure the system
                                to require a password to gain access or leave it open for anyone to login without a password.

                                I run 4 radio ports here on my Linux BBS and it does not require any password for access, however, telnet is a different story, one needs a password to be able to do anything at all.

                                I think the servers, 7+, Reqfil and Reqdir etc could be valuable tools for those who may want to setup the BBS
                                for emergency work with default "paper forms" or files so to speak being able to be requested remotely without the need to actually talk to people to request forms etc.

                                One of the biggest problems is of course that everyone has different ideas and uses for their BBS`s, Hi.

                                Regards ..... Peter

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