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  • Mike Brogan
    It is not just the sort of administration that you talk about that may cause problems, for example the rules in the UK and parts of Europe are far more
    Message 1 of 89 , Jul 8, 2013
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      It is not just the sort of administration that you talk about that may
      cause problems, for example the rules in the UK and parts of Europe are
      far more restrictive than you have in the US and are very unlikely to be
      relaxed. Before any global network were to be introduced these would have
      to be carefully researched to make sure it did not fall foul of such
      rules - it might turn out that it was very difficult to better what exists
      already at worst case.

      I wish you luck, but doubt that you will find enough interest worldwide
      for the sort of investment in time and equipment that would be required to
      set up a meaningful network when the existing one is under used in many
      places and when the internet is rapidly expanding to reach even remote
      areas at higher and higher speeds, I'm afraid that judging on what I
      observe in the UK interest in digital modes for anything other than point
      to point comms is very limited (end even p-p stuff is not commonplace).


      ----- Original Message -----

      I am thinking of something global.

      There are places like N. Korea for example where amateur radio is
      virtually nonexistent, and other places like Cuba for example where
      amateurs are tightly regulated and obsessively monitored by the powers
      that be. - Only the ones who suck up to the dictator get a license in
      several socialist and fascist hell-holes that I can think of.

      Fortunately, places like that are in a tiny minority, and there is not a
      thing that they can do about radio signals that pass over such places, on
      the way to more civilized areas.

      As amateurs, maintaining a global digital network is one of the best
      things that we can do to actively promote worldwide freedom, peace and

      73 DE Charles, N5PVL

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Mike Brogan
      To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 1:24 AM
      Subject: Re: [BPQ32] SGARN

      If you are considering a worldwide network you must also ask the
      question - what would be acceptable to local administrations outside the
      US? In many parts of the world there are many more restrictions placed on
      amateur networks than in the US and any such 2nd generation network would
      have to take that into account.

      If of course you are talking of a network purely in the US then it would
      present no problems......

      ----- Original Message -----

      SGARN - Second GenerationAmateur Radio Network


      The first significant amateur radio digital network, the packet radio
      network, rose to some prominence in the late 1980's, and then declined
      throughout the 1990's. Far before the turning of the century, it was
      effectively in hospice care at best.

      Presently, very little of the original packet radio network remains, and
      what does remain is fragmented, adulterated and with no particular sense
      of purpose and direction.

      Some of what remains is nostalgic, the enfeebled efforts of rapidly-aging
      die-hards, while other surviving parts of the network are zombie-like,
      still moving data but very seldom via amateur radio, instead being
      parasitic afflictions upon the internet.
      As amateur radio network, this internet-driven activity is the shuffling
      stumble of the living dead. - A hideous, pathetic simulacrum of what once
      lived and thrived. - But amateur radio it most definitely is not.

      Many of the old packet networks' functions have been superseded by the
      internet, and so one has to wonder exactly what kind or type of data a
      modern amateur radio network could or should transport, that the internet
      cannot do a better job with. This is perhaps the most difficult and yet
      the most vital question that we must answer with second-generation amateur
      radio networking.

      We must ask ourselves what an amateur radio network can do, in the long
      run, that the internet cannot.

      I have put some thought into this, and have a few ideas about that - but I
      would like to hear some other ideas on this subject from my fellow

      (1) What kind or type of data can a second generation amateur radio
      network transport, and under what circumstances, that the internet cannot
      do a better job with - and why.

      (2) What a second generation amateur radio network may be capable of, in
      the long run, that the internet cannot do.

      I know that there will be a lot of sarcastic and witlessly witty answers,
      and answers that originate from minds that cannot shift gears and think
      afresh - but optimist that I am, I hope to hear from some serious thinkers
      as well, from amateurs who are ready, willing and able to look ahead and
      see a way to innovate, and not merely emulate.

      73 DE Charles, N5PVL
    • Mike Nettles
      Hi Dave, glad I could help. 73 Mike kb5wbh From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Webb Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 4:34
      Message 89 of 89 , Jul 15, 2013
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        Hi Dave, glad I could help.


        Mike kb5wbh



        From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Webb
        Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 4:34 PM
        To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: TNC Reset



        Mike ,
        I found your package in the mail when I got home today and I just installed it.
        Powered up and it worked. I didn't even have to reset the BBS or node.
        Thank you very much

        On 7/6/2013 2:04 PM, Mike Nettles wrote:



        Hi Ron, yes that is it, JKISS. I bought a TNC-MB96 (A Tiny2 with 9600baud) off Ebay a few years ago just because it had a 9600 baud modem. It had a push button switch on the back to switch between DED and Paccomm firmware. I ended up putting JKISS and the Paccomm software on the same eprom and using it that way. The Paccomm firmware had GPS support and I thought I might need that one day.


        Mike kb5wbh



        ----- Original Message -----

        Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:31 AM

        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: TNC Reset



        Mike / Dave


        I assume you meant 'JKISS' eprom.  I have been using these in MFJ1720C's forever.  No resetting needed.  My 'coin' (lithium) batteries are likely dead, but it doesn't matter.  Just replace the TNC2 eprom with JKISS and never have any reset issues.


        Ron, AE5E


        From: Mike Nettles <Mike_Nettles@...>
        To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:04 AM
        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: TNC Reset



        Dave, I can burn you a KISS Eprom if you want. I use one in one of my MFJ's and it works fine with BPQ32. Let me know and I'll get it in the mail on Monday.


        Mike kb5wbh

        ----- Original Message -----

        From: Dave Webb

        Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 9:34 AM

        Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: TNC Reset



        Thanks for all the replies.
        I have found that sometimes when I unplug or turn off the TNC which happens to be an MFJ 1270C, it drops out of kiss mode but retains all the other parms, so it appears the BU Batt is still good.
        I have started by getting an extension cord and hooking the TNC power up to the UPS that I use for the computer. If that doesn't work, I'll start going through each of all your suggestions until I get this fixed.
        I use Hyperterm in XP to bring it into KISS mode using KISS ON then RESTART.
        I have Outpost and use it's tools for working with BPQ over my LAN using my Laptop which has Win8.

        The HTML access it a wonderful tool when I am traveling. It's almost like being at the console. The only thing missing is the ability to restart everything in the event the BBS locks up. This has happened twice to me in the past where the node continued to work and the BBS locked up. I haven't seen it happen since the latest upgrade though, which is good.

        On 7/6/2013 7:38 AM, KU4GW Cliff wrote:


        When my MFJ 1270B TNC 2 drops out of KISS mode like it has a couple times, just the other day when I called my daughter and had her to unhook coaxes on my HF station because of a approaching thunderstorm, she also unplugged the TNC power cord from the wall and when I restarted everything when I got home it was out of KISS mode and wouldn't connect to anything on my RF port 1. KF4LLF Seth showed me this a while back. You can download Outpost Packet Message Manager and go to the start menu in Windows under All Programs and click on Outpost, Ipserial, and then just type KISS ON in the window and hit the enter key and it puts the TNC back in KISS mode. You don't actually see what your typing when you type KISS ON, but after you do and hit enter it displays KISS mode on in the Outpost Ipserial window. Then just close Outpost and restart the BPQ software. Works like a charm!

        Very 73,
        Cliff KU4GW
        Sysop: BRTMTN:KU4GW-7

        --- In BPQ32@yahoogroups.com, Dave Webb <druliefw@...> wrote:
        > My TNC 2 which is on the VHF port, keeps dropping out of KISS mode.
        > Is there any way to reset the TNC without taking down the whole BBS?
        > 73
        > Dave
        > WB2HVF




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