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Re: Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld Scanner next year 2012

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  • bigfella237
    Joe, you are correct, looks like we will get an Australianized version of 396 called the UBCD396XT due out before Christmas (2011), I believe the only
    Message 1 of 27 , Oct 31, 2011
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      Joe, you are correct, looks like we will get an "Australianized" version of 396 called the UBCD396XT due out before Christmas (2011), I believe the only difference is that the upper part of the 800MHz trunk band will be "unblocked" for the land down under, although it's been mentioned that it *may* have a couple of new features over the US version, but I'll believe that when I actually see it?

      No word yet on a UBCD996XT mobile version?

      BTW, Uniden Australia have been out of the scanner business for years, they discontinued the old UBCD396T/996T's and any support thereof quite some time ago.

      They were retailing those old scanners for $999 when you could buy the newer model out of the US for about half the price, little wonder they weren't selling!

      There also seems to be some feelings among the Australian scanner community that Uniden Australia won't be back in the scanner market long enough to provide ongoing support for this model either (you can NOT use the US firmware in these models) so many are saying they won't be buying the Aussie version anyway?

      Andrew

      --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, MCH <mch@...> wrote:
      >
      > Reading more, I bet it's the international version of the BCD396XT. I
      > think Australia is still selling their version of the BCD396T (AKA the
      > UBCD396T) as a current product.
      >
      > Uniden makes a lot of scanners. You can't assume all of them are USA
      > models. (or new from our perspective)
      >
      > Joe M.
      >
      > MCH wrote:
      > > If that's the case, I wonder if they are talking about the HP-1 (or the
      > > international version of it).
      > >
      > > Joe M.
      > >
      > > Uniden UPMan wrote:
      > >> Uniden America has announced no such model. I think you are reading Uniden Australia Facebook pages.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> UPMan
      > >>
      > >>
    • David Johnson
      Agreed. I imported my 396XT, but a friend told me 6 months ago that Uniden were planning to start bringing the XT into Australia. Digital scanners weren t
      Message 2 of 27 , Nov 2, 2011
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        Agreed. I imported my 396XT, but a friend told me 6 months ago that
        Uniden were planning to start bringing the XT into Australia. Digital
        scanners weren't really popular in Australia because the police P25
        transmissions are all encrypted. Now, the NSW government is switching
        to a P25 Government Radio Network, digital transmissions are getting
        more popular and there is a demand for a quality digital scanner.

        Sent from my iPhone

        On 01/11/2011, at 7:50, MCH <mch@...> wrote:

        > Reading more, I bet it's the international version of the BCD396XT. I
        > think Australia is still selling their version of the BCD396T (AKA the
        > UBCD396T) as a current product.
        >
        > Uniden makes a lot of scanners. You can't assume all of them are USA
        > models. (or new from our perspective)
        >
        > Joe M.
        >
        > MCH wrote:
        >> If that's the case, I wonder if they are talking about the HP-1 (or the
        >> international version of it).
        >>
        >> Joe M.
        >>
        >> Uniden UPMan wrote:
        >>> Uniden America has announced no such model. I think you are reading Uniden Australia Facebook pages.
        >>>
        >>>
        >>> UPMan
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>> ________________________________
        >>>> From: Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>
        >>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
        >>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 3:28 PM
        >>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld Scanner next year 2012
        >>>>
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        >>>>
        >>>> MCH,
        >>>>
        >>>> Do you have the yahoogroup URL for this new digital scanner model ?
        >>>>
        >>>> Anyone know the scanner model ? Paul ;)
        >>>>
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        >>>> Uniden facebook:
        >>>>
        >>>> For those customers that have been asking Uniden for a digital scanner....look out in the next 3
        >>>> months when Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld Scanner
        >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150350700092655&id=92508157654>
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      • Tony Langdon, VK3JED
        ... I also imported my 396XT, and I agree, there will be a market for P25 scanners in Australia in the not too distant future. In Victoria, the CFA will be
        Message 3 of 27 , Nov 2, 2011
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          At 05:57 AM 11/3/2011, you wrote:
          >Agreed. I imported my 396XT, but a friend told me 6 months ago that
          >Uniden were planning to start bringing the XT into Australia. Digital
          >scanners weren't really popular in Australia because the police P25
          >transmissions are all encrypted. Now, the NSW government is switching
          >to a P25 Government Radio Network, digital transmissions are getting
          >more popular and there is a demand for a quality digital scanner.

          I also imported my 396XT, and I agree, there will be a market for P25
          scanners in Australia in the not too distant future. In Victoria,
          the CFA will be one of the drawcards for P25 listeners, when their
          radio network goes P25 in the next few years.

          73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
          http://vkradio.com
        • Brian
          Update from Uniden Facebook: Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
          Message 4 of 27 , Nov 15, 2011
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          • Frank Cardenas
            *This is for Australia only!!* ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            Message 5 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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              *This is for Australia only!!*

              On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:

              > **
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              >
              >
              > Update from Uniden Facebook:
              >
              > Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
              >
              > <
              > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
              > >
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              > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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            • MCH
              Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
              Message 6 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.

                <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>

                Joe M.

                Frank Cardenas wrote:
                > *This is for Australia only!!*
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                > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                >
                >> **
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                >> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                >>
                >> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                >>
                >> <
                >> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                >> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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              • Lance
                The radio has a gap from 380-399.995 Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz. The top part of the band is active...especially at
                Message 7 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                  The radio has a gap from 380-399.995

                  Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.

                  The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...

                  This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...




                  On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:

                  > Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                  >
                  > <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                  >
                  > Joe M.
                  >
                  > Frank Cardenas wrote:
                  > > *This is for Australia only!!*
                  > >
                  > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                  > >
                  > >> **
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                  > >> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                  > >>
                  > >> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                  > >>
                  > >> <
                  > >> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                  > >> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                • MCH
                  No, that is the new trunking band. It s no longer MilAir. Joe M.
                  Message 8 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                    No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.

                    Joe M.

                    Lance wrote:
                    > The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                    >
                    > Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                    >
                    > The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                    >
                    > This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                    >
                    >> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                    >>
                    >> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                    >>
                    >> Joe M.
                    >>
                    >> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                    >>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                    >>>
                    >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>>> **
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                    >>>>
                    >>>> <
                    >>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                    >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                  • Jerry Mader
                    so does that mean we won t be able to scan these or? And how can we fix it so if public safety agencies decide to use these they can be scanned can t we just
                    Message 9 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                      so does that mean we won't be able to scan these or?
                      And how can we fix it so if public safety agencies decide to use these they
                      can be scanned can't we just use the band plan editor in free scan or
                      something like that to just open them up or?

                      _____

                      From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      Of MCH
                      Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:52 PM
                      To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld
                      Scanner next year 2012




                      No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.

                      Joe M.

                      Lance wrote:
                      > The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                      >
                      > Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                      >
                      > The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                      >
                      > This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                      >
                      >> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                      >>
                      >>
                      <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanne
                      r-announcement.html>>
                      >>
                      >> Joe M.
                      >>
                      >> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                      >>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                      >>>
                      >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...
                      <mailto:mtnbiker2005ipn%40sbcglobal.net> >wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>>> **
                      >>>>
                      >>>>
                      >>>>
                      >>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                      >>>>
                      >>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                      >>>>
                      >>>> <
                      >>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655
                      <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.
                      88955.92508157654&type=1> &set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                      >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                    • John
                      The only way public safety could be in this region is if they are operating on a mil trunked system. Mute point since those systems are ALL P25 trunked and
                      Message 10 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                        The only way public safety could be in this region is if they are operating
                        on a mil trunked system. Mute point since those systems are ALL P25 trunked
                        and this won't be digital. As for airshows they will be moving those
                        frequencies out of this range so that shouldn't be an issue either.


                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Jerry Mader
                        Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:55 PM
                        To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld
                        Scanner next year 2012

                        so does that mean we won't be able to scan these or?
                        And how can we fix it so if public safety agencies decide to use these they
                        can be scanned can't we just use the band plan editor in free scan or
                        something like that to just open them up or?

                        _____

                        From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of MCH
                        Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:52 PM
                        To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld
                        Scanner next year 2012




                        No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.

                        Joe M.

                        Lance wrote:
                        > The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                        >
                        > Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                        >
                        > The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                        >
                        > This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                        >
                        >> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                        >>
                        >>
                        <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanne
                        r-announcement.html>>
                        >>
                        >> Joe M.
                        >>
                        >> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                        >>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                        >>>
                        >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...
                        <mailto:mtnbiker2005ipn%40sbcglobal.net> >wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>>> **
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> <
                        >>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655
                        <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.
                        88955.92508157654&type=1> &set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                        >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                      • Lance
                        It s still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning. Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the
                        Message 11 of 27 , Nov 16, 2011
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                          It's still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.

                          Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future, pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...


                          On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:

                          > No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                          >
                          > Joe M.
                          >
                          > Lance wrote:
                          > > The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                          > >
                          > > Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                          > >
                          > > The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                          > >
                          > > This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                          > >
                          > >> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                          > >>
                          > >> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                          > >>
                          > >> Joe M.
                          > >>
                          > >> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                          > >>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                          > >>>
                          > >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                          > >>>
                          > >>>> **
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                          > >>>>
                          > >>>> <
                          > >>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                          > >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                        • Lance
                          It s defined within the firmware that runs the radio... ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                            It's defined within the firmware that runs the radio...



                            On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Jerry Mader wrote:

                            > so does that mean we won't be able to scan these or?
                            > And how can we fix it so if public safety agencies decide to use these they
                            > can be scanned can't we just use the band plan editor in free scan or
                            > something like that to just open them up or?
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            > Of MCH
                            > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:52 PM
                            > To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld
                            > Scanner next year 2012
                            >
                            > No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                            >
                            > Joe M.
                            >
                            > Lance wrote:
                            > > The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                            > >
                            > > Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                            > >
                            > > The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                            > >
                            > > This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                            > >
                            > >> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanne
                            > r-announcement.html>>
                            > >>
                            > >> Joe M.
                            > >>
                            > >> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                            > >>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                            > >>>
                            > >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...
                            > <mailto:mtnbiker2005ipn%40sbcglobal.net> >wrote:
                            > >>>
                            > >>>> **
                            > >>>>
                            > >>>>
                            > >>>>
                            > >>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                            > >>>>
                            > >>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                            > >>>>
                            > >>>> <
                            > >>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655
                            > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.
                            > 88955.92508157654&type=1> &set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                            > >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
                            > >>>>
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                          • Brian
                            BC125AT - Yahoogroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC125AT/ ... From: MCH Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 13:47 To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
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                              BC125AT - Yahoogroup
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                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: MCH
                              Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 13:47
                              To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld Scanner next year 2012

                              Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.

                              <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>

                              Joe M.
                            • MCH
                              They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there. So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band. It s not going to be a
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                                They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there.
                                So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band.

                                It's not going to be a shared band.

                                Joe M.

                                Lance wrote:
                                > It's still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.
                                >
                                > Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future, pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...
                                >
                                >
                                > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:
                                >
                                >> No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                                >>
                                >> Joe M.
                                >>
                                >> Lance wrote:
                                >>> The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                                >>>
                                >>> Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                                >>>
                                >>> The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                                >>>
                                >>> This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>>> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Joe M.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                                >>>>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>>> **
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> <
                                >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
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                              • Lance
                                Joe, Are you aware a VHF radio in an F-16 can transmit 116.00-151.975mhz? This implies Sharing of the spectrum... Here s some of the comments from the Navy,
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                                  Joe,

                                  Are you aware a VHF radio in an F-16 can transmit 116.00-151.975mhz?

                                  This implies "Sharing" of the spectrum...

                                  Here's some of the comments from the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Army regarding their concerns over reallocation of 225-400mhz band.

                                  From NTIA:

                                  Currently the Federal Government through, the Federal Wireless Policy Committee (FWPC), the Federal Wireless Users Forum (FWUF), the Federal Law Enforcement Wireless Users Group (FLEWUG), and the Federal Wireless Review Office (FWRO), are examining the entire range of Federal use of wireless services, including the land mobile radio services. These groups are working to ensure that the emerging wireless services satisfy Government functional requirements. It is also the responsibility of these groups to ensure that Federal users of wireless services can smoothly transition to more spectrum efficient, interoperable, and cost-effective digital technologies.

                                  The 225-400 MHz band is allocated and used for military fixed and mobile communications, military mobile-satellite communications, aeronautical radionavigation functions, and radio astronomy observations. The Preliminary Report provided an overview of the Federal use of the band for fixed, mobile and satellite applications. DOD stated that the 225-400 MHz band is the single most critical spectrum resource of the military tactical forces. There are estimated to be over 75,000 Federal air-to-ground and ground-to-air radio equipments alone operating in this band. This does not include mobile-satellite equipments and backbone point-to-point capabilities, such as the Army's Mobile Subscriber Equipment (MSE) system. DOD reports that extensive peacetime training and alert exercises using these equipments are conducted at military bases throughout the United States to maintain combat readiness. DOD asserts that the military use of this frequency spectrum is predicated on the same technical reasons as the non-Federal users: low atmospheric and foliage penetration losses, availability of inexpensive components, and the ability to use short whip antennas for omni coverage by hand-held units.[EN 82]

                                  Navy states that by their very nature ships and aircraft are very crowded which results in considerable cosite problems that require all the frequency flexibility available to accommodate their requirements in this band. "Aboard ship the intermodulation products inevitably caused by exposure of metallic joints to salt spray combined with the requirement for dozens of UHF communications nets presents a major problem which has been the focus of major efforts for the past 30 years."[EN 83] Navy further states that the need to take these effects into account while various forces shift their tactical relationships and missions on a real-time basis has required a major effort to develop spectrum management programs for task force commanders. Navy contends that any reduction in the 225-400 MHz band available for this spectrum management will have serious consequences in training and operational capability, particularly in joint exercises and operations, such as Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

                                  Subsequent to release of the Preliminary Report, DOD provided further amplification on use of this band.[EN 84] Reports from numerous military commands throughout the country expressed concern that loss of access to portions of this band would cause severe spectrum crowding in the remaining portions, leading to significantly increased training costs, degradation of command and control, and possible safety concerns. However, DOD stressed that the most serious factors affecting reallocation are the extensive use of radios having the HAVEQUICK II frequency hopping architecture, mobile-satellite communications, and backbone point-to-point transportable capabilities. Air Force further states that other uses of this spectrum include support of critical missile and Expendable Launch Vehicle (ELV) launch operations, test range telemetry, remote control of targets, communications supporting Air Defense Sectors, reliable training communications, and support of the President of the United States.

                                  Air Force states that the HAVEQUICK family of radios is extensively deployed by the military services in a wide variety of fighter, tanker, close air support, reconnaissance, and bomber aircraft. Typical functions include approach/departure control at military airfields, air-to-air re-fueling operations, vectoring of fighter aircraft to engage hostile threats, and coordination between strike aircraft. Air Force reports that over 15,000 units are in their current inventory. The HAVEQUICK II radios have the capability of frequency hopping across many individual frequencies over the 225-400 MHz band. Air Force states that this basic architecture is necessary to provide two fundamental aspects that enhance the electronic countermeasures (ECM) resistance of frequency hopping radios: a large number of channels and a wide spread in the bandwidth covered by those channels. Air Force adds, "Interoperability between equipments is mandatory and frequency hopping radios must have the capability to hop on the same frequencies and under the control of a master clock."[EN 86] To maintain the necessary interoperability, Air Force asserts that all of the HAVEQUICK radios would have to be returned for reprogramming. Based on the conversion of HQI to HQII, Air Force maintains that such reprogramming is very costly and time consuming.[EN 87] Air Force indicates that to allow communications to continue while the modification is in progress, the modified radios must retain both the old and new capability until a specified change-over date. Existing radios without space for two sets of control software must be discarded. DOD expressed further concern over the loss of the anti-jam capability inherent to the HAVEQUICK II radios that would result from any loss of access to the full band. Reported costs from the various military commands that would result from reallocating any portion of the 225-400 MHz band total well over $1 billion.

                                  The Air Force Satellite Communications System (AFSATCOM) and Milstar Satellite Communications System use the 225-400 MHz band, including the 380-400 MHz band segment, to provide survivable, jam-resistant communications for strategic and tactical military over the horizon requirements. Examples include communications to base from aircraft flying close to the ground to avoid hostile radar, over the ocean connectivity with cargo aircraft, extraction of personnel from areas far from friendly forces, and quick communications establishment with National authorities at the start of and during humanitarian missions. DOD reports that if reallocation of any portion of the 225-400 MHz band occurred, AFSATCOM and Milstar systems users would be subjected to interference from non-Federal users, severely reducing the usefulness of critical communications during certain missions. Air Force adds that the on-orbit and in storage satellites cannot be retuned and military missions must still be performed. In addition to unavoidable interference to non-Federal users, DOD investment in equipment estimated at over $1 billion would be jeopardized.

                                  Army states that they are the primary user of line-of-sight multichannel radios in the 225-400 MHz band that are integrated as part of a theater wide network. Army uses these radios for terrestrial communications linking the functional areas of communications, command and control, intelligence, air defense, artillery fire support, aviation support, and logistical support. Army further states that this portion of the spectrum is critical to land force dominance.

                                  From the preceeding discussion it can be seen that the 225-400 MHz band is crowded with many disparate kinds of military telecommunications systems. These systems are able to work in the same environment at the same time due to disciplined users operating in a hierarchical command structure, an acknowledgment by users that interference will occur, and a highly structured military spectrum management system. DOD believes that none of these conditions necessarily exist for non-Federal users. At the very least, military use of this spectrum indicates that sharing by dissimilar services is a possibility worth considering. As directed by Congress, NTIA has initiated a strategic planning program to develop long-term spectrum planning. The first effort of the strategic planning program will identify the long-term spectrum requirements of both the Federal agencies and the non-Federal users. The long-range spectrum requirements identified below 1 GHz will be considered together with various spectrum management options, and as necssary, reallocation decisions will be made.

                                  Furthermore, the FCC has been directed by Congress to identify the spectrum needs of the public-safety agencies, and to report its findings to Congress. In response to this Congressional mandate, on February 9, 1995, the FCC released the "Spectrum Needs through the Year 2010" report. NTIA, as well as, the Federal wireless working groups (e.g., FLEWUG, FWPC, and FWRO) will consider these spectrum needs in their long-term spectrum planning programs.

                                  ---

                                  From NTIA Ch. 4, USA Allocation is on the right hand column:




                                  Seems shared, interoperability...



                                  On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:02 PM, MCH wrote:

                                  > They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there.
                                  > So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band.
                                  >
                                  > It's not going to be a shared band.
                                  >
                                  > Joe M.
                                  >
                                  > Lance wrote:
                                  > > It's still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.
                                  > >
                                  > > Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future, pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >> No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Joe M.
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Lance wrote:
                                  > >>> The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> Joe M.
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                                  > >>>>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> **
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> <
                                  > >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                                  > >>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                                • MCH
                                  It appears much of that information is outdated, and some even appears to be a response to the proposed (at the time) reallocation of the 380 MHz band to
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Nov 17, 2011
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                                    It appears much of that information is outdated, and some even appears
                                    to be a response to the proposed (at the time) reallocation of the 380
                                    MHz band to Federal trunking systems.

                                    As for radio capabilities, are you aware that the Wolfsburg radios used
                                    in many aircraft can transmit on any public safety frequency (and
                                    virtually any frequency). That does not mean the VHF public safety band
                                    is shared with aircraft. Virtually any business radio can be programmed
                                    on ham frequencies. That does not mean the ham bands are shared with
                                    business users.

                                    The point is that just because someone has a radio that *can* transmit
                                    somewhere does not mean they are legally allowed to transmit there. I
                                    will also add the caveat that in military operations, they can (and
                                    likely do) use any frequency across the entire spectrum - regardless of
                                    the legal allocations.

                                    Early on there was question about the MilAir users in the 380-400 MHz
                                    range, and it was stated that these users would be moved to the
                                    remaining MilAir spectrum (225-380 MHz). In fact, it's been some time
                                    since I can recall hearing MilAir users on 380-400 MHz. Not saying there
                                    are not some still there, but they should be moving so as not to cause
                                    interference to the new users of that band segment.

                                    Joe M.

                                    Lance wrote:
                                    > Joe,
                                    >
                                    > Are you aware a VHF radio in an F-16 can transmit 116.00-151.975mhz?
                                    >
                                    > This implies "Sharing" of the spectrum...
                                    >
                                    > Here's some of the comments from the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Army regarding their concerns over reallocation of 225-400mhz band.
                                    >
                                    >>From NTIA:
                                    >
                                    > Currently the Federal Government through, the Federal Wireless Policy Committee (FWPC), the Federal Wireless Users Forum (FWUF), the Federal Law Enforcement Wireless Users Group (FLEWUG), and the Federal Wireless Review Office (FWRO), are examining the entire range of Federal use of wireless services, including the land mobile radio services. These groups are working to ensure that the emerging wireless services satisfy Government functional requirements. It is also the responsibility of these groups to ensure that Federal users of wireless services can smoothly transition to more spectrum efficient, interoperable, and cost-effective digital technologies.
                                    >
                                    > The 225-400 MHz band is allocated and used for military fixed and mobile communications, military mobile-satellite communications, aeronautical radionavigation functions, and radio astronomy observations. The Preliminary Report provided an overview of the Federal use of the band for fixed, mobile and satellite applications. DOD stated that the 225-400 MHz band is the single most critical spectrum resource of the military tactical forces. There are estimated to be over 75,000 Federal air-to-ground and ground-to-air radio equipments alone operating in this band. This does not include mobile-satellite equipments and backbone point-to-point capabilities, such as the Army's Mobile Subscriber Equipment (MSE) system. DOD reports that extensive peacetime training and alert exercises using these equipments are conducted at military bases throughout the United States to maintain combat readiness. DOD asserts that the military use of this frequency spectrum is predicated on the same
                                    tec
                                    > hnical reasons as the non-Federal users: low atmospheric and foliage penetration losses, availability of inexpensive components, and the ability to use short whip antennas for omni coverage by hand-held units.[EN 82]
                                    >
                                    > Navy states that by their very nature ships and aircraft are very crowded which results in considerable cosite problems that require all the frequency flexibility available to accommodate their requirements in this band. "Aboard ship the intermodulation products inevitably caused by exposure of metallic joints to salt spray combined with the requirement for dozens of UHF communications nets presents a major problem which has been the focus of major efforts for the past 30 years."[EN 83] Navy further states that the need to take these effects into account while various forces shift their tactical relationships and missions on a real-time basis has required a major effort to develop spectrum management programs for task force commanders. Navy contends that any reduction in the 225-400 MHz band available for this spectrum management will have serious consequences in training and operational capability, particularly in joint exercises and operations, such as Desert Shield and
                                    Des
                                    > ert Storm.
                                    >
                                    > Subsequent to release of the Preliminary Report, DOD provided further amplification on use of this band.[EN 84] Reports from numerous military commands throughout the country expressed concern that loss of access to portions of this band would cause severe spectrum crowding in the remaining portions, leading to significantly increased training costs, degradation of command and control, and possible safety concerns. However, DOD stressed that the most serious factors affecting reallocation are the extensive use of radios having the HAVEQUICK II frequency hopping architecture, mobile-satellite communications, and backbone point-to-point transportable capabilities. Air Force further states that other uses of this spectrum include support of critical missile and Expendable Launch Vehicle (ELV) launch operations, test range telemetry, remote control of targets, communications supporting Air Defense Sectors, reliable training communications, and support of the President of the U
                                    nit
                                    > ed States.
                                    >
                                    > Air Force states that the HAVEQUICK family of radios is extensively deployed by the military services in a wide variety of fighter, tanker, close air support, reconnaissance, and bomber aircraft. Typical functions include approach/departure control at military airfields, air-to-air re-fueling operations, vectoring of fighter aircraft to engage hostile threats, and coordination between strike aircraft. Air Force reports that over 15,000 units are in their current inventory. The HAVEQUICK II radios have the capability of frequency hopping across many individual frequencies over the 225-400 MHz band. Air Force states that this basic architecture is necessary to provide two fundamental aspects that enhance the electronic countermeasures (ECM) resistance of frequency hopping radios: a large number of channels and a wide spread in the bandwidth covered by those channels. Air Force adds, "Interoperability between equipments is mandatory and frequency hopping radios must have the
                                    cap
                                    > ability to hop on the same frequencies and under the control of a master clock."[EN 86] To maintain the necessary interoperability, Air Force asserts that all of the HAVEQUICK radios would have to be returned for reprogramming. Based on the conversion of HQI to HQII, Air Force maintains that such reprogramming is very costly and time consuming.[EN 87] Air Force indicates that to allow communications to continue while the modification is in progress, the modified radios must retain both the old and new capability until a specified change-over date. Existing radios without space for two sets of control software must be discarded. DOD expressed further concern over the loss of the anti-jam capability inherent to the HAVEQUICK II radios that would result from any loss of access to the full band. Reported costs from the various military commands that would result from reallocating any portion of the 225-400 MHz band total well over $1 billion.
                                    >
                                    > The Air Force Satellite Communications System (AFSATCOM) and Milstar Satellite Communications System use the 225-400 MHz band, including the 380-400 MHz band segment, to provide survivable, jam-resistant communications for strategic and tactical military over the horizon requirements. Examples include communications to base from aircraft flying close to the ground to avoid hostile radar, over the ocean connectivity with cargo aircraft, extraction of personnel from areas far from friendly forces, and quick communications establishment with National authorities at the start of and during humanitarian missions. DOD reports that if reallocation of any portion of the 225-400 MHz band occurred, AFSATCOM and Milstar systems users would be subjected to interference from non-Federal users, severely reducing the usefulness of critical communications during certain missions. Air Force adds that the on-orbit and in storage satellites cannot be retuned and military missions must still
                                    be
                                    > performed. In addition to unavoidable interference to non-Federal users, DOD investment in equipment estimated at over $1 billion would be jeopardized.
                                    >
                                    > Army states that they are the primary user of line-of-sight multichannel radios in the 225-400 MHz band that are integrated as part of a theater wide network. Army uses these radios for terrestrial communications linking the functional areas of communications, command and control, intelligence, air defense, artillery fire support, aviation support, and logistical support. Army further states that this portion of the spectrum is critical to land force dominance.
                                    >
                                    >>From the preceeding discussion it can be seen that the 225-400 MHz band is crowded with many disparate kinds of military telecommunications systems. These systems are able to work in the same environment at the same time due to disciplined users operating in a hierarchical command structure, an acknowledgment by users that interference will occur, and a highly structured military spectrum management system. DOD believes that none of these conditions necessarily exist for non-Federal users. At the very least, military use of this spectrum indicates that sharing by dissimilar services is a possibility worth considering. As directed by Congress, NTIA has initiated a strategic planning program to develop long-term spectrum planning. The first effort of the strategic planning program will identify the long-term spectrum requirements of both the Federal agencies and the non-Federal users. The long-range spectrum requirements identified below 1 GHz will be considered together wit
                                    h v
                                    > arious spectrum management options, and as necssary, reallocation decisions will be made.
                                    >
                                    > Furthermore, the FCC has been directed by Congress to identify the spectrum needs of the public-safety agencies, and to report its findings to Congress. In response to this Congressional mandate, on February 9, 1995, the FCC released the "Spectrum Needs through the Year 2010" report. NTIA, as well as, the Federal wireless working groups (e.g., FLEWUG, FWPC, and FWRO) will consider these spectrum needs in their long-term spectrum planning programs.
                                    >
                                    > ---
                                    >
                                    >>From NTIA Ch. 4, USA Allocation is on the right hand column:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Seems shared, interoperability...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:02 PM, MCH wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there.
                                    >> So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band.
                                    >>
                                    >> It's not going to be a shared band.
                                    >>
                                    >> Joe M.
                                    >>
                                    >> Lance wrote:
                                    >>> It's still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future, pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:
                                    >>>
                                    >>>> No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Joe M.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Lance wrote:
                                    >>>>> The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> Joe M.
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                                    >>>>>>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                                    >>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                                    >>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>> **
                                    >>>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                                    >>>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
                                    >>>>>>>>
                                    >>>>>>>> <
                                    >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.88955.92508157654&type=1
                                    >>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uniden/92508157654>
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                                  • MCH
                                    Correct spelling is Wulfsberg. That s one of those names I can never seem to remember how to spell. Joe M.
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Nov 17, 2011
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                                      Correct spelling is Wulfsberg. That's one of those
                                      names I can never seem to remember how to spell.

                                      Joe M.

                                      MCH wrote:
                                      > As for radio capabilities, are you aware that the Wolfsburg radios used
                                    • Lance
                                      ... The date on the allocation chart is a year old. ... Yes Joe, I m aware of that radio. I have been around Air Attack (Air Tanker lead aircraft) utilized
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                                        On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:42 AM, MCH wrote:

                                        > It appears much of that information is outdated, and some even appears
                                        > to be a response to the proposed (at the time) reallocation of the 380
                                        > MHz band to Federal trunking systems.
                                        >

                                        The date on the allocation chart is a year old.
                                        >
                                        > As for radio capabilities, are you aware that the Wolfsburg radios used
                                        > in many aircraft can transmit on any public safety frequency (and
                                        > virtually any frequency). That does not mean the VHF public safety band
                                        > is shared with aircraft. Virtually any business radio can be programmed
                                        > on ham frequencies. That does not mean the ham bands are shared with
                                        > business users.
                                        >
                                        Yes Joe, I'm aware of that radio. I have been around Air Attack (Air Tanker lead aircraft) utilized by the CDF.
                                        I think the word "shared" is a semantic issue here.
                                        >
                                        > The point is that just because someone has a radio that *can* transmit
                                        > somewhere does not mean they are legally allowed to transmit there. I
                                        > will also add the caveat that in military operations, they can (and
                                        > likely do) use any frequency across the entire spectrum - regardless of
                                        > the legal allocations.
                                        >
                                        Yes, that was my point in bringing up the F-16 UHF radio.

                                        Obviously, we both understand, my point was intraoperability was a partial solution to such
                                        an involved and diverse use of the UHF P-Band. The Kenwood NX-8000 mobile radio will
                                        TX/RX in Digital mode either 6.25 or 12.5khz to fulfill Narrow Band requirements. Military
                                        Aircraft radio's most granular tuning is 25khz. This is an example of intraoperability within
                                        380-400mhz.
                                        >
                                        > Early on there was question about the MilAir users in the 380-400 MHz
                                        > range, and it was stated that these users would be moved to the
                                        > remaining MilAir spectrum (225-380 MHz). In fact, it's been some time
                                        > since I can recall hearing MilAir users on 380-400 MHz. Not saying there
                                        > are not some still there, but they should be moving so as not to cause
                                        > interference to the new users of that band segment.
                                        >

                                        Show me the NTIA Redbook section(s) or a document that reads the final outcome of this dilemma, the reallocation of
                                        the P-band, as to resolve this question.

                                        The last two airshows I attended with fellow radio users was in October. At both shows, the common UHF Demo Freq. which falls
                                        within the 380-400mhz was still being used...not sure what part of the country you reside in, or how much of your hobby is
                                        devoted to listen to P-Band coms, however, I continue to hear activity in the reallocated band. UHF AM along side newer federal trunk systems.


                                        Send me links of the final outcome. Thanks.

                                        -Lance


                                        >
                                        > Joe M.
                                        >
                                        > Lance wrote:
                                        > > Joe,
                                        > >
                                        > > Are you aware a VHF radio in an F-16 can transmit 116.00-151.975mhz?
                                        > >
                                        > > This implies "Sharing" of the spectrum...
                                        > >
                                        > > Here's some of the comments from the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Army regarding their concerns over reallocation of 225-400mhz band.
                                        > >
                                        > >>From NTIA:
                                        > >
                                        > > Currently the Federal Government through, the Federal Wireless Policy Committee (FWPC), the Federal Wireless Users Forum (FWUF), the Federal Law Enforcement Wireless Users Group (FLEWUG), and the Federal Wireless Review Office (FWRO), are examining the entire range of Federal use of wireless services, including the land mobile radio services. These groups are working to ensure that the emerging wireless services satisfy Government functional requirements. It is also the responsibility of these groups to ensure that Federal users of wireless services can smoothly transition to more spectrum efficient, interoperable, and cost-effective digital technologies.
                                        > >
                                        > > The 225-400 MHz band is allocated and used for military fixed and mobile communications, military mobile-satellite communications, aeronautical radionavigation functions, and radio astronomy observations. The Preliminary Report provided an overview of the Federal use of the band for fixed, mobile and satellite applications. DOD stated that the 225-400 MHz band is the single most critical spectrum resource of the military tactical forces. There are estimated to be over 75,000 Federal air-to-ground and ground-to-air radio equipments alone operating in this band. This does not include mobile-satellite equipments and backbone point-to-point capabilities, such as the Army's Mobile Subscriber Equipment (MSE) system. DOD reports that extensive peacetime training and alert exercises using these equipments are conducted at military bases throughout the United States to maintain combat readiness. DOD asserts that the military use of this frequency spectrum is predicated on the same
                                        > tec
                                        > > hnical reasons as the non-Federal users: low atmospheric and foliage penetration losses, availability of inexpensive components, and the ability to use short whip antennas for omni coverage by hand-held units.[EN 82]
                                        > >
                                        > > Navy states that by their very nature ships and aircraft are very crowded which results in considerable cosite problems that require all the frequency flexibility available to accommodate their requirements in this band. "Aboard ship the intermodulation products inevitably caused by exposure of metallic joints to salt spray combined with the requirement for dozens of UHF communications nets presents a major problem which has been the focus of major efforts for the past 30 years."[EN 83] Navy further states that the need to take these effects into account while various forces shift their tactical relationships and missions on a real-time basis has required a major effort to develop spectrum management programs for task force commanders. Navy contends that any reduction in the 225-400 MHz band available for this spectrum management will have serious consequences in training and operational capability, particularly in joint exercises and operations, such as Desert Shield and
                                        > Des
                                        > > ert Storm.
                                        > >
                                        > > Subsequent to release of the Preliminary Report, DOD provided further amplification on use of this band.[EN 84] Reports from numerous military commands throughout the country expressed concern that loss of access to portions of this band would cause severe spectrum crowding in the remaining portions, leading to significantly increased training costs, degradation of command and control, and possible safety concerns. However, DOD stressed that the most serious factors affecting reallocation are the extensive use of radios having the HAVEQUICK II frequency hopping architecture, mobile-satellite communications, and backbone point-to-point transportable capabilities. Air Force further states that other uses of this spectrum include support of critical missile and Expendable Launch Vehicle (ELV) launch operations, test range telemetry, remote control of targets, communications supporting Air Defense Sectors, reliable training communications, and support of the President of the U
                                        > nit
                                        > > ed States.
                                        > >
                                        > > Air Force states that the HAVEQUICK family of radios is extensively deployed by the military services in a wide variety of fighter, tanker, close air support, reconnaissance, and bomber aircraft. Typical functions include approach/departure control at military airfields, air-to-air re-fueling operations, vectoring of fighter aircraft to engage hostile threats, and coordination between strike aircraft. Air Force reports that over 15,000 units are in their current inventory. The HAVEQUICK II radios have the capability of frequency hopping across many individual frequencies over the 225-400 MHz band. Air Force states that this basic architecture is necessary to provide two fundamental aspects that enhance the electronic countermeasures (ECM) resistance of frequency hopping radios: a large number of channels and a wide spread in the bandwidth covered by those channels. Air Force adds, "Interoperability between equipments is mandatory and frequency hopping radios must have the
                                        > cap
                                        > > ability to hop on the same frequencies and under the control of a master clock."[EN 86] To maintain the necessary interoperability, Air Force asserts that all of the HAVEQUICK radios would have to be returned for reprogramming. Based on the conversion of HQI to HQII, Air Force maintains that such reprogramming is very costly and time consuming.[EN 87] Air Force indicates that to allow communications to continue while the modification is in progress, the modified radios must retain both the old and new capability until a specified change-over date. Existing radios without space for two sets of control software must be discarded. DOD expressed further concern over the loss of the anti-jam capability inherent to the HAVEQUICK II radios that would result from any loss of access to the full band. Reported costs from the various military commands that would result from reallocating any portion of the 225-400 MHz band total well over $1 billion.
                                        > >
                                        > > The Air Force Satellite Communications System (AFSATCOM) and Milstar Satellite Communications System use the 225-400 MHz band, including the 380-400 MHz band segment, to provide survivable, jam-resistant communications for strategic and tactical military over the horizon requirements. Examples include communications to base from aircraft flying close to the ground to avoid hostile radar, over the ocean connectivity with cargo aircraft, extraction of personnel from areas far from friendly forces, and quick communications establishment with National authorities at the start of and during humanitarian missions. DOD reports that if reallocation of any portion of the 225-400 MHz band occurred, AFSATCOM and Milstar systems users would be subjected to interference from non-Federal users, severely reducing the usefulness of critical communications during certain missions. Air Force adds that the on-orbit and in storage satellites cannot be retuned and military missions must still
                                        > be
                                        > > performed. In addition to unavoidable interference to non-Federal users, DOD investment in equipment estimated at over $1 billion would be jeopardized.
                                        > >
                                        > > Army states that they are the primary user of line-of-sight multichannel radios in the 225-400 MHz band that are integrated as part of a theater wide network. Army uses these radios for terrestrial communications linking the functional areas of communications, command and control, intelligence, air defense, artillery fire support, aviation support, and logistical support. Army further states that this portion of the spectrum is critical to land force dominance.
                                        > >
                                        > >>From the preceeding discussion it can be seen that the 225-400 MHz band is crowded with many disparate kinds of military telecommunications systems. These systems are able to work in the same environment at the same time due to disciplined users operating in a hierarchical command structure, an acknowledgment by users that interference will occur, and a highly structured military spectrum management system. DOD believes that none of these conditions necessarily exist for non-Federal users. At the very least, military use of this spectrum indicates that sharing by dissimilar services is a possibility worth considering. As directed by Congress, NTIA has initiated a strategic planning program to develop long-term spectrum planning. The first effort of the strategic planning program will identify the long-term spectrum requirements of both the Federal agencies and the non-Federal users. The long-range spectrum requirements identified below 1 GHz will be considered together wit
                                        > h v
                                        > > arious spectrum management options, and as necssary, reallocation decisions will be made.
                                        > >
                                        > > Furthermore, the FCC has been directed by Congress to identify the spectrum needs of the public-safety agencies, and to report its findings to Congress. In response to this Congressional mandate, on February 9, 1995, the FCC released the "Spectrum Needs through the Year 2010" report. NTIA, as well as, the Federal wireless working groups (e.g., FLEWUG, FWPC, and FWRO) will consider these spectrum needs in their long-term spectrum planning programs.
                                        > >
                                        > > ---
                                        > >
                                        > >>From NTIA Ch. 4, USA Allocation is on the right hand column:
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Seems shared, interoperability...
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:02 PM, MCH wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > >> They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there.
                                        > >> So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band.
                                        > >>
                                        > >> It's not going to be a shared band.
                                        > >>
                                        > >> Joe M.
                                        > >>
                                        > >> Lance wrote:
                                        > >>> It's still going to be shared by all the existing military aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future, pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:
                                        > >>>
                                        > >>>> No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                                        > >>>>
                                        > >>>> Joe M.
                                        > >>>>
                                        > >>>> Lance wrote:
                                        > >>>>> The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band 225-400mhz.
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is released...
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                                        > >>>>>
                                        > >>>>>> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                                        > >>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>> <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanner-announcement.html>>
                                        > >>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>> Joe M.
                                        > >>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                                        > >>>>>>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                                        > >>>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                                        > >>>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>>>> **
                                        > >>>>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>>>>
                                        > >>>>>>>>
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                                      • George
                                        I believe the change was directed by MCEB-M-001-04 Annex G of 1 April 2004. There was also an August 2001 SecDef memo. The entire 380-399.9 band became DOD
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                                          I believe the change was directed by MCEB-M-001-04 Annex G of 1 April 2004.
                                          There was also an August 2001 SecDef memo. The entire 380-399.9 band became
                                          DOD Land Mobile. Everything is supposed to be P25, 12.5 kHz or less.

                                          George KD4UKH

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                          Of Lance
                                          Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:42 AM
                                          To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Uniden will introduce it's new Digital Handheld
                                          Scanner next year 2012


                                          On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:42 AM, MCH wrote:

                                          > It appears much of that information is outdated, and some even appears
                                          > to be a response to the proposed (at the time) reallocation of the 380
                                          > MHz band to Federal trunking systems.
                                          >

                                          The date on the allocation chart is a year old.
                                          >
                                          > As for radio capabilities, are you aware that the Wolfsburg radios used
                                          > in many aircraft can transmit on any public safety frequency (and
                                          > virtually any frequency). That does not mean the VHF public safety band
                                          > is shared with aircraft. Virtually any business radio can be programmed
                                          > on ham frequencies. That does not mean the ham bands are shared with
                                          > business users.
                                          >
                                          Yes Joe, I'm aware of that radio. I have been around Air Attack (Air
                                          Tanker lead aircraft) utilized by the CDF.
                                          I think the word "shared" is a semantic issue here.
                                          >
                                          > The point is that just because someone has a radio that *can* transmit
                                          > somewhere does not mean they are legally allowed to transmit there. I
                                          > will also add the caveat that in military operations, they can (and
                                          > likely do) use any frequency across the entire spectrum - regardless of
                                          > the legal allocations.
                                          >
                                          Yes, that was my point in bringing up the F-16 UHF radio.

                                          Obviously, we both understand, my point was intraoperability was a partial
                                          solution to such
                                          an involved and diverse use of the UHF P-Band. The Kenwood NX-8000 mobile
                                          radio will
                                          TX/RX in Digital mode either 6.25 or 12.5khz to fulfill Narrow Band
                                          requirements. Military
                                          Aircraft radio's most granular tuning is 25khz. This is an example of
                                          intraoperability within
                                          380-400mhz.
                                          >
                                          > Early on there was question about the MilAir users in the 380-400 MHz
                                          > range, and it was stated that these users would be moved to the
                                          > remaining MilAir spectrum (225-380 MHz). In fact, it's been some time
                                          > since I can recall hearing MilAir users on 380-400 MHz. Not saying there
                                          > are not some still there, but they should be moving so as not to cause
                                          > interference to the new users of that band segment.
                                          >

                                          Show me the NTIA Redbook section(s) or a document that reads the final
                                          outcome of this dilemma, the reallocation of
                                          the P-band, as to resolve this question.

                                          The last two airshows I attended with fellow radio users was in October. At
                                          both shows, the common UHF Demo Freq. which falls
                                          within the 380-400mhz was still being used...not sure what part of the
                                          country you reside in, or how much of your hobby is
                                          devoted to listen to P-Band coms, however, I continue to hear activity in
                                          the reallocated band. UHF AM along side newer federal trunk systems.


                                          Send me links of the final outcome. Thanks.

                                          -Lance


                                          >
                                          > Joe M.
                                          >
                                          > Lance wrote:
                                          > > Joe,
                                          > >
                                          > > Are you aware a VHF radio in an F-16 can transmit 116.00-151.975mhz?
                                          > >
                                          > > This implies "Sharing" of the spectrum...
                                          > >
                                          > > Here's some of the comments from the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Army
                                          regarding their concerns over reallocation of 225-400mhz band.
                                          > >
                                          > >>From NTIA:
                                          > >
                                          > > Currently the Federal Government through, the Federal Wireless Policy
                                          Committee (FWPC), the Federal Wireless Users Forum (FWUF), the Federal Law
                                          Enforcement Wireless Users Group (FLEWUG), and the Federal Wireless Review
                                          Office (FWRO), are examining the entire range of Federal use of wireless
                                          services, including the land mobile radio services. These groups are working
                                          to ensure that the emerging wireless services satisfy Government functional
                                          requirements. It is also the responsibility of these groups to ensure that
                                          Federal users of wireless services can smoothly transition to more spectrum
                                          efficient, interoperable, and cost-effective digital technologies.
                                          > >
                                          > > The 225-400 MHz band is allocated and used for military fixed and mobile
                                          communications, military mobile-satellite communications, aeronautical
                                          radionavigation functions, and radio astronomy observations. The Preliminary
                                          Report provided an overview of the Federal use of the band for fixed, mobile
                                          and satellite applications. DOD stated that the 225-400 MHz band is the
                                          single most critical spectrum resource of the military tactical forces.
                                          There are estimated to be over 75,000 Federal air-to-ground and
                                          ground-to-air radio equipments alone operating in this band. This does not
                                          include mobile-satellite equipments and backbone point-to-point
                                          capabilities, such as the Army's Mobile Subscriber Equipment (MSE) system.
                                          DOD reports that extensive peacetime training and alert exercises using
                                          these equipments are conducted at military bases throughout the United
                                          States to maintain combat readiness. DOD asserts that the military use of
                                          this frequency spectrum is predicated on the same
                                          > tec
                                          > > hnical reasons as the non-Federal users: low atmospheric and foliage
                                          penetration losses, availability of inexpensive components, and the ability
                                          to use short whip antennas for omni coverage by hand-held units.[EN 82]
                                          > >
                                          > > Navy states that by their very nature ships and aircraft are very
                                          crowded which results in considerable cosite problems that require all the
                                          frequency flexibility available to accommodate their requirements in this
                                          band. "Aboard ship the intermodulation products inevitably caused by
                                          exposure of metallic joints to salt spray combined with the requirement for
                                          dozens of UHF communications nets presents a major problem which has been
                                          the focus of major efforts for the past 30 years."[EN 83] Navy further
                                          states that the need to take these effects into account while various forces
                                          shift their tactical relationships and missions on a real-time basis has
                                          required a major effort to develop spectrum management programs for task
                                          force commanders. Navy contends that any reduction in the 225-400 MHz band
                                          available for this spectrum management will have serious consequences in
                                          training and operational capability, particularly in joint exercises and
                                          operations, such as Desert Shield and
                                          > Des
                                          > > ert Storm.
                                          > >
                                          > > Subsequent to release of the Preliminary Report, DOD provided further
                                          amplification on use of this band.[EN 84] Reports from numerous military
                                          commands throughout the country expressed concern that loss of access to
                                          portions of this band would cause severe spectrum crowding in the remaining
                                          portions, leading to significantly increased training costs, degradation of
                                          command and control, and possible safety concerns. However, DOD stressed
                                          that the most serious factors affecting reallocation are the extensive use
                                          of radios having the HAVEQUICK II frequency hopping architecture,
                                          mobile-satellite communications, and backbone point-to-point transportable
                                          capabilities. Air Force further states that other uses of this spectrum
                                          include support of critical missile and Expendable Launch Vehicle (ELV)
                                          launch operations, test range telemetry, remote control of targets,
                                          communications supporting Air Defense Sectors, reliable training
                                          communications, and support of the President of the U
                                          > nit
                                          > > ed States.
                                          > >
                                          > > Air Force states that the HAVEQUICK family of radios is extensively
                                          deployed by the military services in a wide variety of fighter, tanker,
                                          close air support, reconnaissance, and bomber aircraft. Typical functions
                                          include approach/departure control at military airfields, air-to-air
                                          re-fueling operations, vectoring of fighter aircraft to engage hostile
                                          threats, and coordination between strike aircraft. Air Force reports that
                                          over 15,000 units are in their current inventory. The HAVEQUICK II radios
                                          have the capability of frequency hopping across many individual frequencies
                                          over the 225-400 MHz band. Air Force states that this basic architecture is
                                          necessary to provide two fundamental aspects that enhance the electronic
                                          countermeasures (ECM) resistance of frequency hopping radios: a large number
                                          of channels and a wide spread in the bandwidth covered by those channels.
                                          Air Force adds, "Interoperability between equipments is mandatory and
                                          frequency hopping radios must have the
                                          > cap
                                          > > ability to hop on the same frequencies and under the control of a master
                                          clock."[EN 86] To maintain the necessary interoperability, Air Force asserts
                                          that all of the HAVEQUICK radios would have to be returned for
                                          reprogramming. Based on the conversion of HQI to HQII, Air Force maintains
                                          that such reprogramming is very costly and time consuming.[EN 87] Air Force
                                          indicates that to allow communications to continue while the modification is
                                          in progress, the modified radios must retain both the old and new capability
                                          until a specified change-over date. Existing radios without space for two
                                          sets of control software must be discarded. DOD expressed further concern
                                          over the loss of the anti-jam capability inherent to the HAVEQUICK II radios
                                          that would result from any loss of access to the full band. Reported costs
                                          from the various military commands that would result from reallocating any
                                          portion of the 225-400 MHz band total well over $1 billion.
                                          > >
                                          > > The Air Force Satellite Communications System (AFSATCOM) and Milstar
                                          Satellite Communications System use the 225-400 MHz band, including the
                                          380-400 MHz band segment, to provide survivable, jam-resistant
                                          communications for strategic and tactical military over the horizon
                                          requirements. Examples include communications to base from aircraft flying
                                          close to the ground to avoid hostile radar, over the ocean connectivity with
                                          cargo aircraft, extraction of personnel from areas far from friendly forces,
                                          and quick communications establishment with National authorities at the
                                          start of and during humanitarian missions. DOD reports that if reallocation
                                          of any portion of the 225-400 MHz band occurred, AFSATCOM and Milstar
                                          systems users would be subjected to interference from non-Federal users,
                                          severely reducing the usefulness of critical communications during certain
                                          missions. Air Force adds that the on-orbit and in storage satellites cannot
                                          be retuned and military missions must still
                                          > be
                                          > > performed. In addition to unavoidable interference to non-Federal users,
                                          DOD investment in equipment estimated at over $1 billion would be
                                          jeopardized.
                                          > >
                                          > > Army states that they are the primary user of line-of-sight multichannel
                                          radios in the 225-400 MHz band that are integrated as part of a theater wide
                                          network. Army uses these radios for terrestrial communications linking the
                                          functional areas of communications, command and control, intelligence, air
                                          defense, artillery fire support, aviation support, and logistical support.
                                          Army further states that this portion of the spectrum is critical to land
                                          force dominance.
                                          > >
                                          > >>From the preceeding discussion it can be seen that the 225-400 MHz band
                                          is crowded with many disparate kinds of military telecommunications systems.
                                          These systems are able to work in the same environment at the same time due
                                          to disciplined users operating in a hierarchical command structure, an
                                          acknowledgment by users that interference will occur, and a highly
                                          structured military spectrum management system. DOD believes that none of
                                          these conditions necessarily exist for non-Federal users. At the very least,
                                          military use of this spectrum indicates that sharing by dissimilar services
                                          is a possibility worth considering. As directed by Congress, NTIA has
                                          initiated a strategic planning program to develop long-term spectrum
                                          planning. The first effort of the strategic planning program will identify
                                          the long-term spectrum requirements of both the Federal agencies and the
                                          non-Federal users. The long-range spectrum requirements identified below 1
                                          GHz will be considered together wit
                                          > h v
                                          > > arious spectrum management options, and as necssary, reallocation
                                          decisions will be made.
                                          > >
                                          > > Furthermore, the FCC has been directed by Congress to identify the
                                          spectrum needs of the public-safety agencies, and to report its findings to
                                          Congress. In response to this Congressional mandate, on February 9, 1995,
                                          the FCC released the "Spectrum Needs through the Year 2010" report. NTIA, as
                                          well as, the Federal wireless working groups (e.g., FLEWUG, FWPC, and FWRO)
                                          will consider these spectrum needs in their long-term spectrum planning
                                          programs.
                                          > >
                                          > > ---
                                          > >
                                          > >>From NTIA Ch. 4, USA Allocation is on the right hand column:
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Seems shared, interoperability...
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:02 PM, MCH wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > >> They may be able to, but they will have no channel allocations there.
                                          > >> So, effectively they would be transmitting out of their band.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> It's not going to be a shared band.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Joe M.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Lance wrote:
                                          > >>> It's still going to be shared by all the existing military
                                          aircraft...including the F-35 lightning.
                                          > >>>
                                          > >>> Unless Rockwell or Honeywell change their designs for the future,
                                          pilots will still be able to transmit 380.00-399.975mhz...
                                          > >>>
                                          > >>>
                                          > >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MCH wrote:
                                          > >>>
                                          > >>>> No, that is the new trunking band. It's no longer MilAir.
                                          > >>>>
                                          > >>>> Joe M.
                                          > >>>>
                                          > >>>> Lance wrote:
                                          > >>>>> The radio has a gap from 380-399.995
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>> Makes no sense, being this is still within the UHF Mil band
                                          225-400mhz.
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>> The top part of the band is active...especially at air shows...
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>> This could be easily changed in firmware before the radio is
                                          released...
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:47 PM, MCH wrote:
                                          > >>>>>
                                          > >>>>>> Looks like there will be a new USA model, but not digital.
                                          > >>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>
                                          <<http://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-scanners/225939-bc125at-new-scanne
                                          r-announcement.html>>
                                          > >>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>> Joe M.
                                          > >>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>> Frank Cardenas wrote:
                                          > >>>>>>> *This is for Australia only!!*
                                          > >>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brian
                                          <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>wrote:
                                          > >>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>>> **
                                          > >>>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>>> Update from Uniden Facebook:
                                          > >>>>>>>>
                                          > >>>>>>>> Photo of the Uniden UBCD396XT.
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                                          http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150378493757655&set=a.95066767654.8
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