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Re: [BCD396XT] Re: X2-TDMA (Future P25 Phase II) Support

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  • johnstark
    what they call it and what is stamped approved by APCO are two different things, that our point. Moto my be selling it as APCO P25 but it is NOT certified by
    Message 1 of 46 , Mar 14, 2011
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      what they call it and what is stamped approved by APCO are two different
      things, that our point.
      Moto my be 'selling it" as APCO P25 but it is NOT certified by them YET.


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      From: "Frank Cardenas" <fcsdga@...>
      Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:07 PM
      To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: X2-TDMA (Future P25 Phase II) Support

      > Joe, Motorola has operational Phase 2 systems right now. The roll out
      > for
      > customers is August. I don't think Motorola would announce a roll out
      > date
      > if they weren't committed to a Phase 2 Standard. They are calling this
      > Phase
      > 2 not X2 TDMA.
      >
      > "We'll have commercially available equipment in August," said Brenda
      > Herold,
      > corporate vice president, Motorola Solutions. "We're well along with
      > operational systems in our labs. We'll have a live system at IWCE". We
      > have
      > not shipped Phase 2 equipment, but we have a number of contracts for
      > equipment for upgrades to Phase 2 or new systems for Phase 2. The rollout
      > will start based on customer schedules as of August this year."
      >
      > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM, MCH <mch@...> wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >> The latest info I've heard came from Paul, and even he said there are
      >> parts of it that are not yet finalized. I also recall some timetables
      >> that indicate that it's still being worked on (including on the APCO web
      >> site, and they should know - it's their standard).
      >>
      >> You would think that if it's done, there would be equipment that is sold
      >> as "P25 Phase II" and not some other label such as "X2 TDMA".
      >>
      >> Joe M.
      >>
      >>
      >> JETorres wrote:
      >> > They finished the spec last year Joe. It's not a guess.
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:37 AM, MCH <mch@...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> >> Just because they have contracts to provide something does not mean
      >> >> the
      >> >> spec is complete. They had contracts to provide Phase I systems before
      >> >> the P25 spec was complete. They had to update the equipment to make
      >> >> sure
      >>
      >> >> it complied once the spec was finished (IF it did not already meet the
      >> >> spec). They sold many of the P25 systems that have P16 control
      >> >> channels
      >> >> as "P25 compliant systems".
      >> >>
      >> >> Their X2 TDMA solutions may well be Phase II compliant, but they
      >> >> cannot
      >> >> guarantee that yet. The best they can do is sell systems with the
      >> >> provision that they will be compliant with the Phase II spec once it's
      >> >> complete. Despite the fact they are Motorola, they do not always get
      >> >> their way with APCO standards. They wanted P25 to allow for 3600 baud
      >> >> control channels. That didn't happen.
      >> >>
      >> >> Another fact: Phase II will be TDMA *or* FDMA. GRE has been proven
      >> >> (let's accept the fact that it is for argument's sake) to work on X2
      >> >> TDMA systems. Will it work on X2 FDMA systems? There are no reports on
      >> >> that yet that I'm aware of. (and there may not be any such systems on
      >> >> the air yet)
      >> >>
      >> >> Joe M.
      >> >>
      >> >> JETorres wrote:
      >> >>> Well, in reality the spec is done and Motorola already has over 10
      >> contracts for Phase 2 systems that start shipping out this late summer.
      >> So
      >> if anything, Uniden might be waiting until the systems are already
      >> running
      >> which would still be no later than fall or winter this year.
      >> >>>
      >> >>>
      >> >>>
      >> >>> On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:12 PM, MCH <mch@...> wrote:
      >> >>>
      >> >>>> I suspect they are waiting until the Phase II spec is complete
      >> >>>> before
      >> >>>> adding it. The worst thing you can do is promise something and have
      >> >>>> it
      >>
      >> >>>> not work. The current X2 systems are subject to modification once
      >> >>>> the
      >> >>>> spec is complete.
      >> >>>>
      >> >>>> Joe M.
      >> >>>>
      >> >>>> Kim Wells wrote:
      >> >>>>> Hello to the Groups,
      >> >>>>>
      >> >>>>> Has there been any hint as to if or when Uniden will have Motorola
      >> >>>>> X2-TDMA (Future P25 Phase II) Support?
      >> >>>>>
      >> >>>>> It is in use in Loudoun County, VA & Prince George's County,
      >> >>>>> MD. GRE's PSR-800 scanner is capable.
      >> >>>>>
      >> >>>>> But, I would prefer a Uniden Scanner.
      >> >>>>>
      >> >>>>> Kim Wells,
      >> >>>>> Dowell, MD
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    • Yuni T. Runker
      Yeah. Don t know what happened to the formatting. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 46 of 46 , Mar 15, 2011
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        Yeah. Don't know what happened to the formatting.

        On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:47 AM, MCH <mch@...> wrote:

        > Wow. Without the quotes, it's not easy to follow the text, but...


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