Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

LTR Capabilities

Expand Messages
  • Terry (SC21)
    UPMan... Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN via
    Message 1 of 28 , Mar 4, 2009
    • 0 Attachment
      UPMan...

      Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
      be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
      via simply monitoring the frequency?

      This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.

      If you need a better explanation, please ask.

      Thanks

      Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
      IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference.com

      MCH wrote:

      That's only a two-step process, though. What I was talking about below
      is a 10-20 step attenuation that could be applied by the user on a
      global scale. IOW, rather than ATT on/off, it would be ATT -20 to
      +20 in
      say 2 or 4 dB steps. Each channel could have its own offset, too, so
      channels with little to no intermod could be +20 at all times while
      channels that are problems even in rural areas could be set to -20.

      Many times, the 2-step ATT option is not adequate on some scanners. The
      ATT OFF overloads and the ATT ON doesn't have enough sensitivity. Hence
      my desire for user selectable attenuation steps.

      I'm sure it's way too late for this in the XT, but it would be nice to
      see in the future in some upper tier models.

      Joe M.


      Uniden UPMan wrote:
      > At one point I had made the suggestion that one could make a "City"
      and "Rural" version of a system...City with ATT turned on and Rural with
      ATT turned off, each version appropriately GPS controlled.
      > UPMan
      >
      >
    • johnstark
      Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T ... From: Terry (SC21) To: Sent: Wednesday,
      Message 2 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
      • 0 Attachment
        Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
        To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
        Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


        > UPMan...
        >
        > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
        > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
        > via simply monitoring the frequency?
        >
        > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
        >
        > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
        >
        > Thanks
        >
        > Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
        > IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference.com
        >
        > MCH wrote:
        >
        > That's only a two-step process, though. What I was talking about below
        > is a 10-20 step attenuation that could be applied by the user on a
        > global scale. IOW, rather than ATT on/off, it would be ATT -20 to
        > +20 in
        > say 2 or 4 dB steps. Each channel could have its own offset, too, so
        > channels with little to no intermod could be +20 at all times while
        > channels that are problems even in rural areas could be set to -20.
        >
        > Many times, the 2-step ATT option is not adequate on some scanners. The
        > ATT OFF overloads and the ATT ON doesn't have enough sensitivity. Hence
        > my desire for user selectable attenuation steps.
        >
        > I'm sure it's way too late for this in the XT, but it would be nice to
        > see in the future in some upper tier models.
        >
        > Joe M.
        >
        >
        > Uniden UPMan wrote:
        > > At one point I had made the suggestion that one could make a "City"
        > and "Rural" version of a system...City with ATT turned on and Rural with
        > ATT turned off, each version appropriately GPS controlled.
        > > UPMan
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • torontokris
        John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN s without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency and held on it
        Message 3 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
        • 0 Attachment
          John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.

          Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you need but try


          --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
          >
          > Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
          > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
          > Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
          >
          >
          > > UPMan...
          > >
          > > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
          > > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
          > > via simply monitoring the frequency?
          > >
          > > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
          > >
          > > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
          > >
          > > Thanks
          > >
        • Brian
          Good question Terry!    It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could decode their proper LCN position and store that.  As an
          Message 4 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
          • 0 Attachment
            Good question Terry!   

            It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could decode their proper LCN position and store that.  As an aside, in my GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.  

            If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model, future offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in Illinois are going digi.

            Thanks!




            ________________________________
            From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
            To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
            Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


            Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
            To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
            Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities

            > UPMan...
            >
            > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
            > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
            > via simply monitoring the frequency?
            >
            > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
            >
            > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
            >
            > Thanks
            >
            > Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
            > IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
            >
            > MCH wrote:
            >
            > That's only a two-step process, though. What I was talking about below
            > is a 10-20 step attenuation that could be applied by the user on a
            > global scale. IOW, rather than ATT on/off, it would be ATT -20 to
            > +20 in
            > say 2 or 4 dB steps. Each channel could have its own offset, too, so
            > channels with little to no intermod could be +20 at all times while
            > channels that are problems even in rural areas could be set to -20.
            >
            > Many times, the 2-step ATT option is not adequate on some scanners. The
            > ATT OFF overloads and the ATT ON doesn't have enough sensitivity. Hence
            > my desire for user selectable attenuation steps.
            >
            > I'm sure it's way too late for this in the XT, but it would be nice to
            > see in the future in some upper tier models.
            >
            > Joe M.
            >
            >
            > Uniden UPMan wrote:
            > > At one point I had made the suggestion that one could make a "City"
            > and "Rural" version of a system...City with ATT turned on and Rural with
            > ATT turned off, each version appropriately GPS controlled.
            > > UPMan
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ------
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >







            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • johnstark
            Most LTR systems are already known so having that feature is kind of a wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same thing, so
            Message 5 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
            • 0 Attachment
              Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
              wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
              thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
              systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
              dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
              useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
              been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
              them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
              safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
              something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
              users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
              enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
              things..... and thats a long list :)

              John


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
              To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
              Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


              > John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
              > without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
              > and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
              >
              > Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
              > need but try
              >
              >
              > --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
              >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
              >> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
              >>
              >>
              >> > UPMan...
              >> >
              >> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
              >> > to
              >> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
              >> > LCN
              >> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
              >> >
              >> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
              >> >
              >> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
              >> >
              >> > Thanks
              >> >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
            • Brian
              I haven t used that function on my 396 but, we have a couple LTR companies that like to swap out frequencies periodically. It happens. Sometimes hearing the
              Message 6 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
              • 0 Attachment
                I haven't used that function on my 396 but, we have a couple LTR companies that like to swap out frequencies periodically. It happens. Sometimes hearing the vendors and tow trucks is better than the local traffic report on AM radio or the State Police themselves. Tremendous source of infor about closures, accidents, arterial routes, etc.. We all have our own purposes I guess. But, I anxiously wait to here more from UPMan...who I sure is very busy this time of year.




                ________________________________
                From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
                To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:34:38 AM
                Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
                systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
                dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
                useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
                something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
                users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                things..... and thats a long list :)

                John

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "torontokris" <torontokris@ yahoo.com>
                To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                > John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                > without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
                > and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                >
                > Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                > need but try
                >
                >
                > --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@. ..> wrote:
                >>
                >> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ...>
                >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                >> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                >>
                >>
                >> > UPMan...
                >> >
                >> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                >> > to
                >> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                >> > LCN
                >> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                >> >
                >> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                >> >
                >> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                >> >
                >> > Thanks
                >> >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >







                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Clark
                In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for determining the LCN because it s a go to channel and not the Home channel. TG
                Message 7 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                • 0 Attachment
                  In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                  determining the LCN because it's a
                  "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                  regardless of which LCN it's on.

                  With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                  any scanner can determine that information.


                  Clark

                  At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:

                  >Good question Terry!
                  >
                  >It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                  >decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                  >GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                  >number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                  >
                  >If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                  >me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                  >future offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                  >Illinois are going digi.
                  >
                  >Thanks!
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >________________________________
                  >From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
                  >To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                  >Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                  >Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                  >
                  >
                  >Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                  >
                  >----- Original Message -----
                  >From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                  >To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                  >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                  >Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                  >
                  > > UPMan...
                  > >
                  > > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                  > > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                  > > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                  > >
                  > > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                  > >
                  > > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks
                  > >
                  > > Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                  > > IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                • MCH
                  Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a beacon every X seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could (usually) decode this
                  Message 8 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                  • 0 Attachment
                    Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
                    seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
                    (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
                    CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).

                    Joe M.

                    Clark wrote:
                    > In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                    > determining the LCN because it's a
                    > "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                    > regardless of which LCN it's on.
                    >
                    > With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                    > any scanner can determine that information.
                    >
                    >
                    > Clark
                    >
                    > At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                    >
                    >> Good question Terry!
                    >>
                    >> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                    >> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                    >> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                    >> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                    >>
                    >> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                    >> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                    >> future offerings?..... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                    >> Illinois are going digi.
                    >>
                    >> Thanks!
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ________________________________
                    >> From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
                    >> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                    >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                    >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                    >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                    >> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                    >>
                    >>> UPMan...
                    >>>
                    >>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                    >>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                    >>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
                    >>>
                    >>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                    >>>
                    >>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                    >>>
                    >>> Thanks
                    >>>
                    >>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                    >>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • Brian
                    Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is
                    Message 9 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                    • 0 Attachment
                      Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior to the release.




                      ________________________________
                      From: MCH <mch@...>
                      To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
                      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


                      Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
                      seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
                      (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
                      CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).

                      Joe M.

                      Clark wrote:
                      > In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                      > determining the LCN because it's a
                      > "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                      > regardless of which LCN it's on.
                      >
                      > With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                      > any scanner can determine that information.
                      >
                      >
                      > Clark
                      >
                      > At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                      >
                      >> Good question Terry!
                      >>
                      >> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                      >> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                      >> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                      >> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                      >>
                      >> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                      >> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                      >> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                      >> Illinois are going digi.
                      >>
                      >> Thanks!
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ____________ _________ _________ __
                      >> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlink .net>
                      >> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                      >> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                      >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                      >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
                      >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                      >> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                      >>
                      >>> UPMan...
                      >>>
                      >>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                      >>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                      >>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
                      >>>
                      >>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                      >>>
                      >>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                      >>>
                      >>> Thanks
                      >>>
                      >>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                      >>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >






                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • MCH
                      Huh? I didn t say anything about your choice of words. As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list. Joe M.
                      Message 10 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                      • 0 Attachment
                        Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.

                        As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.

                        Joe M.

                        Brian wrote:
                        > Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior to the release.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: MCH <mch@...>
                        > To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                        >
                        >
                        > Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
                        > seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
                        > (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
                        > CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
                        >
                        > Joe M.
                        >
                        > Clark wrote:
                        >> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                        >> determining the LCN because it's a
                        >> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                        >> regardless of which LCN it's on.
                        >>
                        >> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                        >> any scanner can determine that information.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Clark
                        >>
                        >> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                        >>
                        >>> Good question Terry!
                        >>>
                        >>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                        >>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                        >>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                        >>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                        >>>
                        >>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                        >>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                        >>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                        >>> Illinois are going digi.
                        >>>
                        >>> Thanks!
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                        >>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlink .net>
                        >>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                        >>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                        >>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                        >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
                        >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                        >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                        >>>
                        >>>> UPMan...
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                        >>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                        >>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
                        >>>>
                        >>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Thanks
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                        >>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ------------ --------- --------- ------
                        >>
                        >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ------------------------------------
                        >
                        > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • Brian
                        No, I did after going back & rereading my post (Smile) ________________________________ From: MCH To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
                        Message 11 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                        • 0 Attachment
                          No, I did after going back & rereading my post (Smile)




                          ________________________________
                          From: MCH <mch@...>
                          To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 4:05:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities


                          Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.

                          As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.

                          Joe M.

                          Brian wrote:
                          > Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior to the release.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ____________ _________ _________ __
                          > From: MCH <mch@...>
                          > To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                          > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                          >
                          >
                          > Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
                          > seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
                          > (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
                          > CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
                          >
                          > Joe M.
                          >
                          > Clark wrote:
                          >> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                          >> determining the LCN because it's a
                          >> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                          >> regardless of which LCN it's on.
                          >>
                          >> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                          >> any scanner can determine that information.
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Clark
                          >>
                          >> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                          >>
                          >>> Good question Terry!
                          >>>
                          >>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                          >>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                          >>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                          >>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                          >>>
                          >>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                          >>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                          >>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                          >>> Illinois are going digi.
                          >>>
                          >>> Thanks!
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                          >>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlin k .net>
                          >>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                          >>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                          >>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                          >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
                          >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                          >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                          >>>
                          >>>> UPMan...
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                          >>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                          >>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Thanks
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                          >>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ------------ --------- --------- ------
                          >>
                          >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >






                          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        • Mike Iszak
                          Under what rock are you living sir? LTR is *huge* and it isn t going away anytime soon. To say just run LTR Analyzer is great, but that doesn t help the guy
                          Message 12 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                          • 0 Attachment
                            Under what rock are you living sir?

                            LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.

                            To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy who's in the field trying to map out a system.

                            Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.

                            It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>

                            Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                            To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                            Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                            Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                            wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                            thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden. LTR
                            systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users is
                            dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's really
                            useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                            been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                            them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                            safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time on
                            something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most scanner
                            users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                            enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                            things..... and thats a long list :)

                            John


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
                            To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                            Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                            > John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                            > without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one frequency
                            > and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                            >
                            > Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                            > need but try
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                            >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                            >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                            >> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> > UPMan...
                            >> >
                            >> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                            >> > to
                            >> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                            >> > LCN
                            >> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                            >> >
                            >> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                            >> >
                            >> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                            >> >
                            >> > Thanks
                            >> >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >




                            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          • Clayton
                            FWIW, on EDACS, the LCN is not broadcast on voice freqs, but it is on the control channel. The new GRE s will tell you what channel the control is if you
                            Message 13 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                            • 0 Attachment
                              FWIW, on EDACS, the LCN is not broadcast on voice freqs, but it is on the
                              control channel. The new GRE's will tell you what channel the control is if
                              you "analyze" it. Not really an important feature, just something that's
                              there.



                              Clayton



                              _____

                              From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                              Of Clark
                              Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:10 AM
                              To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities



                              In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                              determining the LCN because it's a
                              "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                              regardless of which LCN it's on.

                              With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                              any scanner can determine that information.

                              Clark






                              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            • MCH
                              Ahhh. OK. Joe M.
                              Message 14 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                              • 0 Attachment
                                Ahhh. OK.

                                Joe M.

                                Brian wrote:
                                > No, I did after going back & rereading my post (Smile)
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: MCH <mch@...>
                                > To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 4:05:08 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                >
                                >
                                > Huh? I didn't say anything about your choice of words.
                                >
                                > As for the specs, look at the WIKI on RadioReference for a feature list.
                                >
                                > Joe M.
                                >
                                > Brian wrote:
                                >> Yes, Joe, You are correct on that I used the words TG and frequencies too loosely and my explanation was way off. Point being...in some systems no data is taking place to indicate an LCN and that frequency sits wherever you programmed it. I can hardly wait for some promo ad that has all the official features prior to the release.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                >> From: MCH <mch@...>
                                >> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                                >> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:22:20 PM
                                >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Correct on both counts. LTR systems often send out a 'beacon' every X
                                >> seconds that includes the channel number. The GRE scanners could
                                >> (usually) decode this beacon to tell you the repeater number (LCN). The
                                >> CWID will also contain the correct repeater number (LCN).
                                >>
                                >> Joe M.
                                >>
                                >> Clark wrote:
                                >>> In a LTR system, sometimes the displayed TG is not accurate information for
                                >>> determining the LCN because it's a
                                >>> "go to" channel and not the "Home" channel. TG ID remains the same
                                >>> regardless of which LCN it's on.
                                >>>
                                >>> With a EDACS system, I don't think the LCN # is broadcast, so I doubt if
                                >>> any scanner can determine that information.
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Clark
                                >>>
                                >>> At 07:49 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>>> Good question Terry!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> It would be cool if you only entered the frequencies and the 396XT could
                                >>>> decode their proper LCN position and store that. As an aside, in my
                                >>>> GRE500 and RS106, only the LTR TGs that have traffic will reveal their LCN
                                >>>> number...no traffic, just another frequency without a home.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> If the 396XT CAN do this, it would mark a plus in the pro's column for
                                >>>> me.....How about digital decode for LTR UPMan?....If not this model,
                                >>>> future offerings?.. ... We need some hope. More and more LTR systems in
                                >>>> Illinois are going digi.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Thanks!
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                >>>> From: johnstark <johnstark@earthlin k .net>
                                >>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com
                                >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:15:30 AM
                                >>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ScanIL.com>
                                >>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogrou p s.com>
                                >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                >>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                >>>>
                                >>>>> UPMan...
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support to
                                >>>>> be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the LCN
                                >>>>> via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> Thanks
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> Terry Weatherford, WX9SAR
                                >>>>> IL/MO/MI Admin - RadioReference. com
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                >>>
                                >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                >>
                                >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                              • johnstark
                                First off be civil, I m not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses though are
                                Message 15 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                • 0 Attachment
                                  First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                  the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                  though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
                                  in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                  Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                  requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                  that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
                                  pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
                                  long ago.

                                  John


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                  To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                  > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                  >
                                  > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                  >
                                  > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                  > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                  >
                                  > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                  > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                  >
                                  > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                  > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                  > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                  > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                  >
                                  > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                  > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                  > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                  > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                  > LTR
                                  > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                  > is
                                  > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                  > really
                                  > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                  > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                  > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                  > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                  > on
                                  > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                  > scanner
                                  > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                  > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                  > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                  >
                                  > John
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
                                  > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                  > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                  >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                  >> frequency
                                  >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                  >>
                                  >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                                  >> need but try
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                  >>>
                                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                  >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                  >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>> > UPMan...
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                                  >>> > to
                                  >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                  >>> > LCN
                                  >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Thanks
                                  >>> >
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ------------------------------------
                                  >>
                                  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Mike Iszak
                                  Given Uniden s past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they don t care. They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                  • 0 Attachment
                                    Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they don't care.

                                    They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE, talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.

                                    It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>

                                    Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                    To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                    First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                    the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                    though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
                                    in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                    Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                    requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                    that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
                                    pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
                                    long ago.

                                    John


                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                    To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                    > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                    >
                                    > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                    >
                                    > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                    > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                    >
                                    > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                    > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                    >
                                    > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                    > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                    > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                    > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                    >
                                    > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                    > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                    > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                    > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                    > LTR
                                    > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                    > is
                                    > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                    > really
                                    > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                    > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                    > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                    > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                    > on
                                    > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                    > scanner
                                    > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                    > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                    > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                    >
                                    > John
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
                                    > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                    > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                    >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                    >> frequency
                                    >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                    >>
                                    >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                                    >> need but try
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                    >>>
                                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                    >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                    >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> > UPMan...
                                    >>> >
                                    >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                                    >>> > to
                                    >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                    >>> > LCN
                                    >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                    >>> >
                                    >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                    >>> >
                                    >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                    >>> >
                                    >>> > Thanks
                                    >>> >
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ------------------------------------
                                    >>
                                    >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >




                                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  • Brian
                                    Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak. I think the rock he is living on is called United States or Canada ;) Lots of sites isn t listed or logged yet. Just got
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                    • 0 Attachment
                                      Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak. I think the rock he is living on is called
                                      United States or Canada ;)
                                      Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet. Just got back from my last cruise
                                      trip this year. Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on RR.
                                      Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
                                      have many that isn't listed yet. 90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
                                      listed on RR.
                                      If John looks around RR (outside of United States). He will notice some
                                      countries is still missing lots of info.

                                      -Brian


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Mike Iszak"
                                      Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:59 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                      > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                      > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                      > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                      > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                      > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                      > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                      > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                      > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                      > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                      > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.

                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: "johnstark"
                                      > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                      > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                      > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                      > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                      > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                      > LTR
                                      > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                      > is
                                      > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                      > really
                                      > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                      > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                      > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                      > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                      > on
                                      > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                      > scanner
                                      > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                      > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                      > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                      > John
                                    • johnstark
                                      Who cares about what other countries are doing, we are dealing the US and a lesser degree Canada which according to sales for the upcoming 396XT which is for
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                      • 0 Attachment
                                        Who cares about what other countries are doing, we are dealing the US and a
                                        lesser degree Canada which according to sales for the upcoming 396XT which
                                        is for the North American market, not South America.
                                        And RR isn't the bible on scanning or scanners, much of the info there is
                                        wrong, and it's that way because they depend on site users to "give" them
                                        the info so they can sell it. Just because it isn't listed on RR doesn't
                                        mean it hasn't been figured out, you just need to know how and where to find
                                        it, and it aint rocket science if you do have to figure it out yourself. It
                                        took a 25 minutes to figure out the two systems in this area and guess what,
                                        RR was wrong on both!

                                        John

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: "Brian" <mtnbiker2005ipn@...>
                                        To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:29 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                        > Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak. I think the rock he is living on is
                                        > called
                                        > United States or Canada ;)
                                        > Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet. Just got back from my last
                                        > cruise
                                        > trip this year. Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on
                                        > RR.
                                        > Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
                                        > have many that isn't listed yet. 90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
                                        > listed on RR.
                                        > If John looks around RR (outside of United States). He will notice some
                                        > countries is still missing lots of info.
                                        >
                                        > -Brian
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: "Mike Iszak"
                                        > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:59 PM
                                        > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >> Under what rock are you living sir?
                                        >> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                        >> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                        >> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                        >> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                        >> listed
                                        >> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                        >> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                        >> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                        >> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                        >> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                        >
                                        >> -----Original Message-----
                                        >> From: "johnstark"
                                        >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                        >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                        >> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                        >> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                        >> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                        >> LTR
                                        >> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                        >> is
                                        >> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                        >> really
                                        >> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                        >> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                        >> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                        >> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                        >> on
                                        >> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                        >> scanner
                                        >> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                        >> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                        >> things..... and thats a long list :)
                                        >> John
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ------------------------------------
                                        >
                                        > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                      • Joe Polcari
                                        That s because nobody is volunteering the information. If you know something that s not in RR, put it in RR. ... From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                        • 0 Attachment
                                          That's because nobody is volunteering the information.
                                          If you know something that's not in RR, put it in RR.

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                          Of Brian
                                          Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:29 PM
                                          To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                          Yup I agree with you Mike Iszak. I think the rock he is living on is called

                                          United States or Canada ;)
                                          Lots of sites isn't listed or logged yet. Just got back from my last cruise

                                          trip this year. Most of the LTR & Trunked systems wasn't even listed on RR.
                                          Like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, Aruba, Costa Rica, and Mexico still
                                          have many that isn't listed yet. 90% of trunked systems I found wasn't
                                          listed on RR.
                                          If John looks around RR (outside of United States). He will notice some
                                          countries is still missing lots of info.

                                          -Brian
                                        • Clark
                                          In Southern Calif., there are several (and interesting) LTR systems that ambulance services use. Plus business LTR systems that are sometimes more interesting
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                          • 0 Attachment
                                            In Southern Calif., there are several (and interesting) LTR systems that
                                            ambulance services use. Plus business LTR
                                            systems that are sometimes more interesting than public safety.
                                            LTR-Analyzer is good for determining the proper LCN and displaying the TGs
                                            but not much help for finding the actual frequencies.

                                            Clark


                                            At 08:15 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote:

                                            >First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                            >the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                            >though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
                                            >in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                            > Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                            >requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                            >that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
                                            >pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
                                            >long ago.
                                            >
                                            >John
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >----- Original Message -----
                                            >From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                            >To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                            >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                            >Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                            > >
                                            > > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                            > >
                                            > > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                            > > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                            > >
                                            > > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                            > > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                            > >
                                            > > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                            > > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                            > > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                            > > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                            > > -----Original Message-----
                                            > > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                            > >
                                            > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                            > > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                            > > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                            > > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                            > > LTR
                                            > > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                            > > is
                                            > > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                            > > really
                                            > > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                            > > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                            > > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                            > > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                            > > on
                                            > > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                            > > scanner
                                            > > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                            > > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                            > > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                            > >
                                            > > John
                                          • Brian
                                            It s already been done Joe Polcari. I guess you didn t notice the new stuff this year for those countries. :-) ... From: Joe Polcari Sent: Thursday, March
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Mar 5, 2009
                                            • 0 Attachment
                                              It's already been done Joe Polcari.
                                              I guess you didn't notice the new stuff this year for those countries. :-)


                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: "Joe Polcari"
                                              Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:02 PM
                                              Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                              > That's because nobody is volunteering the information.
                                              > If you know something that's not in RR, put it in RR.
                                            • Paul Opitz
                                              Ah, you must be talking about how we didn t add Close Call DND, Fire Tone Out 30-second delay, etc as well as rebanding in the latest updates. ;) To add a
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Mar 6, 2009
                                              • 0 Attachment
                                                Ah, you must be talking about how we didn't add Close Call DND, Fire Tone Out 30-second delay, etc as well as rebanding in the latest updates. ;)

                                                To add a feature we have to balance implementation cost, technical feasibility, competitive issues, etc. We cannot do everything we want to do (sometimes for multiple reasons).

                                                I typically cannot provide such detail for our reasoning as such intel is considered proprietary and confidential ...and on most days I do want to keep my job. :)


                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Mike Iszak <miszak@...>
                                                To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:23:13 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                                Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they don't care.

                                                They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE, talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.

                                                It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: "johnstark" <johnstark@earthlink .net>

                                                Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                                                Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                                First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                                though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
                                                in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
                                                pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
                                                long ago.

                                                John

                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@gmail. com>
                                                To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                                                Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                                > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                >
                                                > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                >
                                                > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                >
                                                > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                                > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                >
                                                > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                                > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                > -----Original Message-----
                                                > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@earthlink .net>
                                                >
                                                > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                                                > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                                > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                                > LTR
                                                > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                                > is
                                                > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                > really
                                                > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                                > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                                > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                                > on
                                                > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                > scanner
                                                > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                >
                                                > John
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@ yahoo.com>
                                                > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                                                > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                >> frequency
                                                >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                >>
                                                >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                                                >> need but try
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@. ..> wrote:
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                >>>
                                                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@ ...>
                                                >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroup s.com>
                                                >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> > UPMan...
                                                >>> >
                                                >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                                                >>> > to
                                                >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                                >>> > LCN
                                                >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                >>> >
                                                >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                                >>> >
                                                >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                >>> >
                                                >>> > Thanks
                                                >>> >
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                                >>
                                                >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                                >
                                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >

                                                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




                                                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              • johnstark
                                                Finding frequencies is part of the fun and if you have a little patience you can find them. I have two scanners that run 24/7 just looking for new frequencies.
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Mar 6, 2009
                                                • 0 Attachment
                                                  Finding frequencies is part of the fun and if you have a little patience you
                                                  can find them. I have two scanners that run 24/7 just looking for new
                                                  frequencies. Both are logging all hits and I find a lot of supposedly dead
                                                  frequencies are not so dead too.

                                                  John


                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: "Clark" <rest20lu@...>
                                                  To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:06 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                                  > In Southern Calif., there are several (and interesting) LTR systems that
                                                  > ambulance services use. Plus business LTR
                                                  > systems that are sometimes more interesting than public safety.
                                                  > LTR-Analyzer is good for determining the proper LCN and displaying the TGs
                                                  > but not much help for finding the actual frequencies.
                                                  >
                                                  > Clark
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > At 08:15 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >>First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                  >>the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                                  >>though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
                                                  >>"huge"
                                                  >>in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                  >> Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                  >>requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                  >>that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
                                                  >>would
                                                  >>pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added
                                                  >>it
                                                  >>long ago.
                                                  >>
                                                  >>John
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>----- Original Message -----
                                                  >>From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                                  >>To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                  >>Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >> > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                  >> > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                                  >> > listed
                                                  >> > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                  >> > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                  >> > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You
                                                  >> > could
                                                  >> > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                  >> > -----Original Message-----
                                                  >> > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                  >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >> > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of
                                                  >> > a
                                                  >> > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                  >> > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for
                                                  >> > Uniden.
                                                  >> > LTR
                                                  >> > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety
                                                  >> > users
                                                  >> > is
                                                  >> > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                  >> > really
                                                  >> > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They
                                                  >> > have
                                                  >> > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best
                                                  >> > for
                                                  >> > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                  >> > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research
                                                  >> > time
                                                  >> > on
                                                  >> > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                  >> > scanner
                                                  >> > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but
                                                  >> > not
                                                  >> > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                  >> > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                  >> >
                                                  >> > John
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ------------------------------------
                                                  >
                                                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                • johnstark
                                                  Mike, Again you don t seem to grasp things from a business standpoint or an engineering standpoint. What may work with one radio may not work on the next due
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Mar 6, 2009
                                                  • 0 Attachment
                                                    Mike,

                                                    Again you don't seem to grasp things from a business standpoint or an
                                                    engineering standpoint. What may work with one radio may not work on the
                                                    next due to firmware conflicts or a 100 other things. Believe me Uniden
                                                    cares and they listen, so does GRE, but scanners are not the one and only
                                                    product these companies make either. Everything they affects the bottom line
                                                    and today thats even tougher. Undien is taking a huge gamble right now even
                                                    releasing the new scanner due the worlds economy. It could make or break the
                                                    scanner line now.
                                                    The 396XT was made for a specific market, North America and certain things
                                                    popular here may not be somewhere else. Scanners made for specific markets
                                                    also have frequency differences, whats blocked here may not be blocked
                                                    somewhere else and vice versa so taking your scanner to another country
                                                    could possibly violate their laws. It's usually OK if you are an amature
                                                    radio operator but even then it can get hairy.
                                                    Learn about business descisions and manufacturing though before saying that
                                                    Uniden is refusing to add things they had in the past or that it would be
                                                    simple to add something new, it isn't as easy to do as you think or would
                                                    like and many things need considered..... and memory is just one of the many
                                                    things to consider.

                                                    John


                                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                                    From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                                    To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:23 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                                    > Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they
                                                    > don't care.
                                                    >
                                                    > They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
                                                    > talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the idle
                                                    > bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take NOTHING to
                                                    > display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
                                                    >
                                                    > It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its
                                                    > that the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the
                                                    > abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such as design
                                                    > limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                                    >
                                                    > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                    > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                    > the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                                    > though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
                                                    > "huge"
                                                    > in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                    > Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                    > requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                    > that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
                                                    > would
                                                    > pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added
                                                    > it
                                                    > long ago.
                                                    >
                                                    > John
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                                    > From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                                    > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                    > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >> Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                    >>
                                                    >> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                    >> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                                    >> listed
                                                    >> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                    >> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                    >> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                                    >> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                    >> -----Original Message-----
                                                    >> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                    >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                                    >> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                    >> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                                    >> LTR
                                                    >> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                                    >> is
                                                    >> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                    >> really
                                                    >> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                                    >> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                                    >> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                    >> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                                    >> on
                                                    >> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                    >> scanner
                                                    >> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                    >> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                    >> things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                    >>
                                                    >> John
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                    >> From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
                                                    >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                    >> Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                    >>> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                    >>> frequency
                                                    >>> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                                                    >>> need but try
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                    >>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                    >>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                    >>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> > UPMan...
                                                    >>>> >
                                                    >>>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                                                    >>>> > to
                                                    >>>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                                    >>>> > LCN
                                                    >>>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                    >>>> >
                                                    >>>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                                    >>>> >
                                                    >>>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                    >>>> >
                                                    >>>> > Thanks
                                                    >>>> >
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> ------------------------------------
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> ------------------------------------
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > ------------------------------------
                                                    >
                                                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                  • Don.Curtis@att.net
                                                    Hey Mike, Why don t you climb all over Microsoft s back too. I mean, they don t offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those jerks
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Mar 6, 2009
                                                    • 0 Attachment
                                                      Hey Mike,
                                                      Why don't you climb all over Microsoft's back too. I mean, they don't offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those jerks only offer free fixes, but if you want the next version of Windows...why they actually make you PAY for it.

                                                      Every company has to make a decision between upgrading and selling new. Look at the car companies.....every year, a new model with new features. Course they're going down the tubes, but not because they don't give current owners all the new features for free.

                                                      Uniden is in business to make money. They have to keep happy customers to do so, but their main thrust (like all companies) is to make money. Decisions get made all the time, by every company, on what to sell new, and what to upgrade and what policies apply to do so.

                                                      Yea, there will be people like you who get angry, and maybe never buy another product from them, and there will be more who will pay the cost to get the new <whatever>. One presumes, the marketing folks know which will generate the bigger long term stability for the company...which means they make enought money to stay in business and keep improving things.

                                                      That's life....live with it.


                                                      -------------- Original message from "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>: --------------


                                                      Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they don't care.

                                                      They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE, talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.

                                                      It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                      From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>

                                                      Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                      To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                                      First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                      the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
                                                      though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be "huge"
                                                      in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                      Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                      requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                      that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it would
                                                      pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added it
                                                      long ago.

                                                      John

                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
                                                      To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                                      > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                      >
                                                      > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                      >
                                                      > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                      > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                      >
                                                      > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are listed
                                                      > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                      >
                                                      > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                      > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                      > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
                                                      > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
                                                      >
                                                      > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                      > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                                      > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                      > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
                                                      > LTR
                                                      > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
                                                      > is
                                                      > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                      > really
                                                      > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                                      > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
                                                      > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                      > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
                                                      > on
                                                      > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                      > scanner
                                                      > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                      > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                      > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                      >
                                                      > John
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                                      > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
                                                      > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                      > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                      >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                      >> frequency
                                                      >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
                                                      >> need but try
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                      >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                      >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> > UPMan...
                                                      >>> >
                                                      >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
                                                      >>> > to
                                                      >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                                      >>> > LCN
                                                      >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                      >>> >
                                                      >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                                      >>> >
                                                      >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                      >>> >
                                                      >>> > Thanks
                                                      >>> >
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> ------------------------------------
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > ------------------------------------
                                                      >
                                                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >

                                                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




                                                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                    • Terry (SC21)
                                                      Back to my original question.. Is or has Uniden considered this feature at all? Thanks Terry PS... LTR is HUGE in the St Louis area, multiple companies with
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Mar 6, 2009
                                                      • 0 Attachment
                                                        Back to my original question..

                                                        Is or has Uniden considered this feature at all?

                                                        Thanks
                                                        Terry

                                                        PS... LTR is HUGE in the St Louis area, multiple companies with multiple
                                                        systems on VHF, UHF, 800 & 900 MHz.



                                                        Don.Curtis@... wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Hey Mike,
                                                        > Why don't you climb all over Microsoft's back too. I mean, they don't
                                                        > offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those
                                                        > jerks only offer free fixes, but if you want the next version of
                                                        > Windows...why they actually make you PAY for it.
                                                        >
                                                        > Every company has to make a decision between upgrading and selling
                                                        > new. Look at the car companies.....every year, a new model with new
                                                        > features. Course they're going down the tubes, but not because they
                                                        > don't give current owners all the new features for free.
                                                        >
                                                        > Uniden is in business to make money. They have to keep happy customers
                                                        > to do so, but their main thrust (like all companies) is to make money.
                                                        > Decisions get made all the time, by every company, on what to sell
                                                        > new, and what to upgrade and what policies apply to do so.
                                                        >
                                                        > Yea, there will be people like you who get angry, and maybe never buy
                                                        > another product from them, and there will be more who will pay the
                                                        > cost to get the new <whatever>. One presumes, the marketing folks know
                                                        > which will generate the bigger long term stability for the
                                                        > company...which means they make enought money to stay in business and
                                                        > keep improving things.
                                                        >
                                                        > That's life....live with it.
                                                        >
                                                        > -------------- Original message from "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...
                                                        > <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>: --------------
                                                        >
                                                        > Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear
                                                        > they don't care.
                                                        >
                                                        > They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
                                                        > talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the
                                                        > idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take
                                                        > NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
                                                        >
                                                        > It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular
                                                        > area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to
                                                        > limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such
                                                        > as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                                        > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                        > <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                        >
                                                        > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                        > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                        > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                        >
                                                        > First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                        > the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even
                                                        > businesses
                                                        > though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
                                                        > "huge"
                                                        > in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                        > Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                        > requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                        > that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
                                                        > would
                                                        > pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have
                                                        > added it
                                                        > long ago.
                                                        >
                                                        > John
                                                        >
                                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@... <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>
                                                        > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                        > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                        > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                        >
                                                        > > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                        > >
                                                        > > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                        > > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                                        > listed
                                                        > > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                        > > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                        > > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You
                                                        > could
                                                        > > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                        > > -----Original Message-----
                                                        > > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                        > <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                        > > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
                                                        > > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                        > > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for
                                                        > Uniden.
                                                        > > LTR
                                                        > > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety
                                                        > users
                                                        > > is
                                                        > > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                        > > really
                                                        > > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
                                                        > > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work
                                                        > best for
                                                        > > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                        > > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research
                                                        > time
                                                        > > on
                                                        > > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                        > > scanner
                                                        > > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                        > > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                        > > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                        > >
                                                        > > John
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...
                                                        > <mailto:torontokris%40yahoo.com>>
                                                        > > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                        > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                        > > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                        > >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                        > >> frequency
                                                        > >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                        > >>
                                                        > >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for
                                                        > what you
                                                        > >> need but try
                                                        > >>
                                                        > >>
                                                        > >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                                        > >>>
                                                        > >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                        > >>>
                                                        > >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                        > >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                        > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                        > >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                        > >>>
                                                        > >>>
                                                        > >>> > UPMan...
                                                        > >>> >
                                                        > >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the
                                                        > support
                                                        > >>> > to
                                                        > >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
                                                        > >>> > LCN
                                                        > >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                        > >>> >
                                                        > >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
                                                        > >>> >
                                                        > >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                        > >>> >
                                                        > >>> > Thanks
                                                        > >>> >
                                                        > >>
                                                        >
                                                        > __._,_._
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                      • johnstark
                                                        I beleive Upman already answered you on this. You also keep ignoring the fact that most people don t buy scanners to listen to business comms, and LTR is 99%
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Mar 7, 2009
                                                        • 0 Attachment
                                                          I beleive Upman already answered you on this.


                                                          You also keep ignoring the fact that most people don't buy scanners to
                                                          listen to business comms, and LTR is 99% business.

                                                          John


                                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                                          From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                          To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:00 AM
                                                          Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                                          > Back to my original question..
                                                          >
                                                          > Is or has Uniden considered this feature at all?
                                                          >
                                                          > Thanks
                                                          > Terry
                                                          >
                                                          > PS... LTR is HUGE in the St Louis area, multiple companies with multiple
                                                          > systems on VHF, UHF, 800 & 900 MHz.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Don.Curtis@... wrote:
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Hey Mike,
                                                          >> Why don't you climb all over Microsoft's back too. I mean, they don't
                                                          >> offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those
                                                          >> jerks only offer free fixes, but if you want the next version of
                                                          >> Windows...why they actually make you PAY for it.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Every company has to make a decision between upgrading and selling
                                                          >> new. Look at the car companies.....every year, a new model with new
                                                          >> features. Course they're going down the tubes, but not because they
                                                          >> don't give current owners all the new features for free.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Uniden is in business to make money. They have to keep happy customers
                                                          >> to do so, but their main thrust (like all companies) is to make money.
                                                          >> Decisions get made all the time, by every company, on what to sell
                                                          >> new, and what to upgrade and what policies apply to do so.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Yea, there will be people like you who get angry, and maybe never buy
                                                          >> another product from them, and there will be more who will pay the
                                                          >> cost to get the new <whatever>. One presumes, the marketing folks know
                                                          >> which will generate the bigger long term stability for the
                                                          >> company...which means they make enought money to stay in business and
                                                          >> keep improving things.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> That's life....live with it.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> -------------- Original message from "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...
                                                          >> <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>: --------------
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear
                                                          >> they don't care.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
                                                          >> talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the
                                                          >> idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take
                                                          >> NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular
                                                          >> area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to
                                                          >> limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such
                                                          >> as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                          >> -----Original Message-----
                                                          >> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                          >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                          >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                          >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                          >>
                                                          >> First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                          >> the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even
                                                          >> businesses
                                                          >> though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
                                                          >> "huge"
                                                          >> in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
                                                          >> Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                          >> requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                          >> that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
                                                          >> would
                                                          >> pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have
                                                          >> added it
                                                          >> long ago.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> John
                                                          >>
                                                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                          >> From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@... <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>
                                                          >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                          >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                          >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                          >>
                                                          >> > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                          >> > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                                          >> listed
                                                          >> > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                          >> > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                          >> > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You
                                                          >> could
                                                          >> > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                          >> > -----Original Message-----
                                                          >> > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                          >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                          >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                          >> > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of
                                                          >> > a
                                                          >> > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                          >> > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for
                                                          >> Uniden.
                                                          >> > LTR
                                                          >> > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety
                                                          >> users
                                                          >> > is
                                                          >> > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                          >> > really
                                                          >> > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They
                                                          >> > have
                                                          >> > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work
                                                          >> best for
                                                          >> > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                          >> > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research
                                                          >> time
                                                          >> > on
                                                          >> > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                          >> > scanner
                                                          >> > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                          >> > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                          >> > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > John
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                                          >> > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...
                                                          >> <mailto:torontokris%40yahoo.com>>
                                                          >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                          >> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                          >> > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> >
                                                          >> >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                          >> >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                          >> >> frequency
                                                          >> >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                          >> >>
                                                          >> >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for
                                                          >> what you
                                                          >> >> need but try
                                                          >> >>
                                                          >> >>
                                                          >> >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >> <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                                          >> >>>
                                                          >> >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                          >> >>>
                                                          >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                          >> >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                          >> >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                          >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                          >> >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                          >> >>>
                                                          >> >>>
                                                          >> >>> > UPMan...
                                                          >> >>> >
                                                          >> >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the
                                                          >> support
                                                          >> >>> > to
                                                          >> >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain
                                                          >> >>> > the
                                                          >> >>> > LCN
                                                          >> >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                          >> >>> >
                                                          >> >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on
                                                          >> >>> > Unidens.
                                                          >> >>> >
                                                          >> >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                          >> >>> >
                                                          >> >>> > Thanks
                                                          >> >>> >
                                                          >> >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >> __._,_._
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > ------------------------------------
                                                          >
                                                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                        • ScanIL
                                                          Its a simple question and valid. No need for the attitude. Again, LTR is VERY popular in st louis & chicago. One 800 MHz and three 900 MHz systems are used by
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Mar 7, 2009
                                                          • 0 Attachment
                                                            Its a simple question and valid.

                                                            No need for the attitude.

                                                            Again, LTR is VERY popular in st louis & chicago.

                                                            One 800 MHz and three 900 MHz systems are used by EMS agencies in the st louis metro area. Also used by traffic helicopters and multiple security companies.

                                                            Chicago has even more usage.

                                                            It was just a simple question, I must have missed the response from "upman".

                                                            End of my discussion. Thanks to all that responded.

                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
                                                            Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:56 PM
                                                            To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


                                                            I beleive Upman already answered you on this.

                                                            You also keep ignoring the fact that most people don't buy scanners to
                                                            listen to business comms, and LTR is 99% business.

                                                            John

                                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                                            From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                            To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:00 AM
                                                            Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

                                                            > Back to my original question..
                                                            >
                                                            > Is or has Uniden considered this feature at all?
                                                            >
                                                            > Thanks
                                                            > Terry
                                                            >
                                                            > PS... LTR is HUGE in the St Louis area, multiple companies with multiple
                                                            > systems on VHF, UHF, 800 & 900 MHz.
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > Don.Curtis@... wrote:
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Hey Mike,
                                                            >> Why don't you climb all over Microsoft's back too. I mean, they don't
                                                            >> offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those
                                                            >> jerks only offer free fixes, but if you want the next version of
                                                            >> Windows...why they actually make you PAY for it.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Every company has to make a decision between upgrading and selling
                                                            >> new. Look at the car companies.....every year, a new model with new
                                                            >> features. Course they're going down the tubes, but not because they
                                                            >> don't give current owners all the new features for free.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Uniden is in business to make money. They have to keep happy customers
                                                            >> to do so, but their main thrust (like all companies) is to make money.
                                                            >> Decisions get made all the time, by every company, on what to sell
                                                            >> new, and what to upgrade and what policies apply to do so.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Yea, there will be people like you who get angry, and maybe never buy
                                                            >> another product from them, and there will be more who will pay the
                                                            >> cost to get the new <whatever>. One presumes, the marketing folks know
                                                            >> which will generate the bigger long term stability for the
                                                            >> company...which means they make enought money to stay in business and
                                                            >> keep improving things.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> That's life....live with it.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> -------------- Original message from "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...
                                                            >> <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>: --------------
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear
                                                            >> they don't care.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
                                                            >> talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the
                                                            >> idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take
                                                            >> NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular
                                                            >> area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to
                                                            >> limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such
                                                            >> as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
                                                            >> -----Original Message-----
                                                            >> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                            >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
                                                            >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                            >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                            >>
                                                            >> First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
                                                            >> the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even
                                                            >> businesses
                                                            >> though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
                                                            >> "huge"
                                                            >> in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles....
                                                            >> Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
                                                            >> requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
                                                            >> that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
                                                            >> would
                                                            >> pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have
                                                            >> added it
                                                            >> long ago.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> John
                                                            >>
                                                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >> From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@... <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>
                                                            >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                            >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
                                                            >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                            >>
                                                            >> > Under what rock are you living sir?
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
                                                            >> > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
                                                            >> listed
                                                            >> > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
                                                            >> > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
                                                            >> > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You
                                                            >> could
                                                            >> > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
                                                            >> > -----Original Message-----
                                                            >> > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
                                                            >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
                                                            >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                            >> > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of
                                                            >> > a
                                                            >> > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
                                                            >> > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for
                                                            >> Uniden.
                                                            >> > LTR
                                                            >> > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety
                                                            >> users
                                                            >> > is
                                                            >> > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
                                                            >> > really
                                                            >> > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They
                                                            >> > have
                                                            >> > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work
                                                            >> best for
                                                            >> > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
                                                            >> > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research
                                                            >> time
                                                            >> > on
                                                            >> > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
                                                            >> > scanner
                                                            >> > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
                                                            >> > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
                                                            >> > things..... and thats a long list :)
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > John
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >> > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...
                                                            >> <mailto:torontokris%40yahoo.com>>
                                                            >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                            >> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
                                                            >> > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> >
                                                            >> >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
                                                            >> >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
                                                            >> >> frequency
                                                            >> >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
                                                            >> >>
                                                            >> >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for
                                                            >> what you
                                                            >> >> need but try
                                                            >> >>
                                                            >> >>
                                                            >> >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >> <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
                                                            >> >>>
                                                            >> >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
                                                            >> >>>
                                                            >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >> >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
                                                            >> >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                                            >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
                                                            >> >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
                                                            >> >>>
                                                            >> >>>
                                                            >> >>> > UPMan...
                                                            >> >>> >
                                                            >> >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the
                                                            >> support
                                                            >> >>> > to
                                                            >> >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain
                                                            >> >>> > the
                                                            >> >>> > LCN
                                                            >> >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
                                                            >> >>> >
                                                            >> >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on
                                                            >> >>> > Unidens.
                                                            >> >>> >
                                                            >> >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
                                                            >> >>> >
                                                            >> >>> > Thanks
                                                            >> >>> >
                                                            >> >>
                                                            >>
                                                            >> __._,_._
                                                            >>
                                                            >>
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > ------------------------------------
                                                            >
                                                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >



                                                            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                          Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.