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Re: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?

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  • Richard A. Victor
    Seems like if I think of it as New and Improved CTCSS/DCS it works better in my head than if I think of it as trunking. Perhaps that s just my hangup, but it
    Message 1 of 43 , Nov 15, 2009
      Seems like if I think of it as "New and Improved CTCSS/DCS" it works
      better in my head than if I think of it as trunking.

      Perhaps that's just my hangup, but it seems to work better for me that way.

      Thanks for the education!

      Dick

      At 03:27 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
      >It also defeats 'evesdropping' and makes it impossible to key up over an
      >existing conversation.
      >
      >Joe M.
      >
      >Richard A. Victor wrote:
      > > OK, that makes sense. I guess it's cleaner than trying to do the
      > > same thing with CTCSS/DCS.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > >
      > > Dick
      > >
      > > At 03:11 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
      > >> It provides an entry level low-cost means to switch to a trunk system.
      > >> As more users are added, more channels can be added.
      > >>
      > >> Joe M.
      > >>
      > >> Richard A. Victor wrote:
      > >>> Isn't a single channel trunked system an oxymoron? It would seem
      > >>> that a trunked system is a system that uses some type of controller
      > >>> to assign conversations to different frequencies to increase the
      > >>> amount of traffic that can be handled on those frequencies. If you
      > >>> only have one frequency, then you can't be doing that.
      > >>>
      > >>> I realize that there can be TGs on such a system, but isn't that
      > >>> merely another way of doing what we used to do with CTCSS/DCS, i.e.,
      > >>> sort things out so that one only hears those things that one
      > >>> wants/needs to hear? I'm not seeing how such a system provides
      > >>> greater efficiency or increases the amount of traffic that can be
      > >>> handled on a limited resource.
      > >>>
      > >>> That said, I'm not suggesting there aren't good reasons for such
      > >>> systems, merely that they aren't really trunked systems.
      > >>>
      > >>> While this is stated as an assertion, it's really a question.
      > >>>
      > >>> Dick
      > >>>
      > >>> At 12:39 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
      > >>>> There has to be a difference. Some of them work trunked, and others do
      > >>>> not. Those that work must be doing something to allow trunking. Those
      > >>>> that do not work as single channel trunked systems have to be
      > >>>> Conventional channels.
      > >>>>
      > >>>> Again, I had some I thought were Conventional that work fine programmed
      > >>>> as trunked. The only explanation I can come up with is that they are
      > >>>> single channel trunked systems. I would entertain any alternative
      > >>>> explanations.
      > >>>>
      > >>>> Joe M.
      > >>>>
      > >>>> Clayton wrote:
      > >>>>> That makes more sense. They are not actually 1 channel
      > trunked systems,
      > >>>>> they are conventional channels with Talk groups and RID's
      > >> programmed. You
      > >>>>> are just programming them as a single channel TRS in the scanner.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> My P25 radio is conventional only, but can be programmed for different
      > >>>>> talkgroups and RIDs. We use the default talkgroup and alpha tag
      > >>>> the RIDs to
      > >>>>> identify who's transmitting.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> Clayton
      > >>>>> _____
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
      > >> [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > >>>>> Of Robert Klamp
      > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:49 PM
      > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
      > >>>>> Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> This is exactly what i am saying.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
      > >>>>>>>> Bob,
      > >>>>>>>> Are you saying that you setup one conventional P25 freq.
      > as a "P25 one
      > >>>>>>> freq
      > >>>>>>>> trunk system"
      > >>>>>>>> and it works with the latest firmware and the "Radio ID"
      > displays some
      > >>>>>>> info. ?
      > >>>>>>>> Clark
      > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
      > >>>>> From: William Kaelin <kd4ukh@yahoo. <mailto:kd4ukh%40yahoo.com> com>
      > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:59 AM
      > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
      > >>>>> Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> In some cases, that is because the tech does not know what he is doing.
      > >>>>> Some government techs have very little training, and simply
      > clone all the
      > >>>>> radios off the first one that made to work. I know from experience
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> George KD4UKH
      > >>>>> _____
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
      > >>>>> [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroup
      > <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On
      > >>>>> Behalf
      > >>>>> Of MCH
      > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:08 PM
      > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
      > >>>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> Understood. FWIW, there is no control channel data on some of my local
      > >>>>> single channel trunk systems either. That's why I didn't
      > think they were
      > >>>>> single channel trunk systems. On some of them, there are TGs and UIDs.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> It's interesting that some Government systems have a UID of "1" on
      > >>>>> several radios. I imagine that's so you don't know how many units there
      > >>>>> are. :-) At least part of our government is still thinking.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> Joe M.
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
      > >>>>>> Thanks Joe,
      > >>>>>> That's what I thought. I setup a LAPD single, conventional
      > >> frequency as a
      > >>>>>> single TRS, and it wont scan
      > >>>>>> as it's not a control channel. Nothing happens. What Bob said was
      > >>>>> confusing
      > >>>>>> to me.
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>> Clark
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>> At 05:00 PM 11/11/2009, you wrote:
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>> Not sure what Bob was saying, but that's what I said. If it's a
      > >>>>>>> single-channel trunk system, it will show the UIDs and TGs.
      > If it truly
      > >>>>>>> is a conventional frequency, you won't hear anything.
      > >>>>>>>
      > >>>>>>> Joe M.
      > >>>>>>>
      > >>>>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
      > >>>>>>>> Bob,
      > >>>>>>>> Are you saying that you setup one conventional P25 freq.
      > as a "P25 one
      > >>>>>>> freq
      > >>>>>>>> trunk system"
      > >>>>>>>> and it works with the latest firmware and the "Radio ID"
      > displays some
      > >>>>>>> info. ?
      > >>>>>>>> Clark
      > >>>>>>>>
      > >>>>>>>> At 03:11 PM 11/11/2009, you wrote:
      > >>>>>>>>
      > >>>>>>>>> Whats everybody else think any body else try this yet because its
      > >>>>> really
      > >>>>>>>>> cool takes p25 conventional monitoring to a whole new level
      > >>>>>>>>>
      > >>>>>>>>> Bob
    • Richard A. Victor
      Seems like if I think of it as New and Improved CTCSS/DCS it works better in my head than if I think of it as trunking. Perhaps that s just my hangup, but it
      Message 43 of 43 , Nov 15, 2009
        Seems like if I think of it as "New and Improved CTCSS/DCS" it works
        better in my head than if I think of it as trunking.

        Perhaps that's just my hangup, but it seems to work better for me that way.

        Thanks for the education!

        Dick

        At 03:27 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
        >It also defeats 'evesdropping' and makes it impossible to key up over an
        >existing conversation.
        >
        >Joe M.
        >
        >Richard A. Victor wrote:
        > > OK, that makes sense. I guess it's cleaner than trying to do the
        > > same thing with CTCSS/DCS.
        > >
        > > Thanks.
        > >
        > > Dick
        > >
        > > At 03:11 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
        > >> It provides an entry level low-cost means to switch to a trunk system.
        > >> As more users are added, more channels can be added.
        > >>
        > >> Joe M.
        > >>
        > >> Richard A. Victor wrote:
        > >>> Isn't a single channel trunked system an oxymoron? It would seem
        > >>> that a trunked system is a system that uses some type of controller
        > >>> to assign conversations to different frequencies to increase the
        > >>> amount of traffic that can be handled on those frequencies. If you
        > >>> only have one frequency, then you can't be doing that.
        > >>>
        > >>> I realize that there can be TGs on such a system, but isn't that
        > >>> merely another way of doing what we used to do with CTCSS/DCS, i.e.,
        > >>> sort things out so that one only hears those things that one
        > >>> wants/needs to hear? I'm not seeing how such a system provides
        > >>> greater efficiency or increases the amount of traffic that can be
        > >>> handled on a limited resource.
        > >>>
        > >>> That said, I'm not suggesting there aren't good reasons for such
        > >>> systems, merely that they aren't really trunked systems.
        > >>>
        > >>> While this is stated as an assertion, it's really a question.
        > >>>
        > >>> Dick
        > >>>
        > >>> At 12:39 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
        > >>>> There has to be a difference. Some of them work trunked, and others do
        > >>>> not. Those that work must be doing something to allow trunking. Those
        > >>>> that do not work as single channel trunked systems have to be
        > >>>> Conventional channels.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Again, I had some I thought were Conventional that work fine programmed
        > >>>> as trunked. The only explanation I can come up with is that they are
        > >>>> single channel trunked systems. I would entertain any alternative
        > >>>> explanations.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Joe M.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Clayton wrote:
        > >>>>> That makes more sense. They are not actually 1 channel
        > trunked systems,
        > >>>>> they are conventional channels with Talk groups and RID's
        > >> programmed. You
        > >>>>> are just programming them as a single channel TRS in the scanner.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> My P25 radio is conventional only, but can be programmed for different
        > >>>>> talkgroups and RIDs. We use the default talkgroup and alpha tag
        > >>>> the RIDs to
        > >>>>> identify who's transmitting.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Clayton
        > >>>>> _____
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
        > >> [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > >>>>> Of Robert Klamp
        > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:49 PM
        > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
        > >>>>> Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> This is exactly what i am saying.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
        > >>>>>>>> Bob,
        > >>>>>>>> Are you saying that you setup one conventional P25 freq.
        > as a "P25 one
        > >>>>>>> freq
        > >>>>>>>> trunk system"
        > >>>>>>>> and it works with the latest firmware and the "Radio ID"
        > displays some
        > >>>>>>> info. ?
        > >>>>>>>> Clark
        > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
        > >>>>> From: William Kaelin <kd4ukh@yahoo. <mailto:kd4ukh%40yahoo.com> com>
        > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:59 AM
        > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
        > >>>>> Subject: RE: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> In some cases, that is because the tech does not know what he is doing.
        > >>>>> Some government techs have very little training, and simply
        > clone all the
        > >>>>> radios off the first one that made to work. I know from experience
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> George KD4UKH
        > >>>>> _____
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> From: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
        > >>>>> [mailto:BCD396XT@yahoogroup
        > <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On
        > >>>>> Behalf
        > >>>>> Of MCH
        > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:08 PM
        > >>>>> To: BCD396XT@yahoogroup <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
        > >>>>> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Use of Unit IDs?
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Understood. FWIW, there is no control channel data on some of my local
        > >>>>> single channel trunk systems either. That's why I didn't
        > think they were
        > >>>>> single channel trunk systems. On some of them, there are TGs and UIDs.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> It's interesting that some Government systems have a UID of "1" on
        > >>>>> several radios. I imagine that's so you don't know how many units there
        > >>>>> are. :-) At least part of our government is still thinking.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Joe M.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
        > >>>>>> Thanks Joe,
        > >>>>>> That's what I thought. I setup a LAPD single, conventional
        > >> frequency as a
        > >>>>>> single TRS, and it wont scan
        > >>>>>> as it's not a control channel. Nothing happens. What Bob said was
        > >>>>> confusing
        > >>>>>> to me.
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> Clark
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> At 05:00 PM 11/11/2009, you wrote:
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> Not sure what Bob was saying, but that's what I said. If it's a
        > >>>>>>> single-channel trunk system, it will show the UIDs and TGs.
        > If it truly
        > >>>>>>> is a conventional frequency, you won't hear anything.
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> Joe M.
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> Clark Rennie wrote:
        > >>>>>>>> Bob,
        > >>>>>>>> Are you saying that you setup one conventional P25 freq.
        > as a "P25 one
        > >>>>>>> freq
        > >>>>>>>> trunk system"
        > >>>>>>>> and it works with the latest firmware and the "Radio ID"
        > displays some
        > >>>>>>> info. ?
        > >>>>>>>> Clark
        > >>>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>>> At 03:11 PM 11/11/2009, you wrote:
        > >>>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>>>> Whats everybody else think any body else try this yet because its
        > >>>>> really
        > >>>>>>>>> cool takes p25 conventional monitoring to a whole new level
        > >>>>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>>>> Bob
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