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471RE: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

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  • ScanIL
    Mar 7, 2009
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      Its a simple question and valid.

      No need for the attitude.

      Again, LTR is VERY popular in st louis & chicago.

      One 800 MHz and three 900 MHz systems are used by EMS agencies in the st louis metro area. Also used by traffic helicopters and multiple security companies.

      Chicago has even more usage.

      It was just a simple question, I must have missed the response from "upman".

      End of my discussion. Thanks to all that responded.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: johnstark <johnstark@...>
      Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:56 PM
      To: BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


      I beleive Upman already answered you on this.

      You also keep ignoring the fact that most people don't buy scanners to
      listen to business comms, and LTR is 99% business.

      John

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
      To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:00 AM
      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

      > Back to my original question..
      >
      > Is or has Uniden considered this feature at all?
      >
      > Thanks
      > Terry
      >
      > PS... LTR is HUGE in the St Louis area, multiple companies with multiple
      > systems on VHF, UHF, 800 & 900 MHz.
      >
      >
      >
      > Don.Curtis@... wrote:
      >>
      >> Hey Mike,
      >> Why don't you climb all over Microsoft's back too. I mean, they don't
      >> offer free updates to the latest and greatest features. Heck no, those
      >> jerks only offer free fixes, but if you want the next version of
      >> Windows...why they actually make you PAY for it.
      >>
      >> Every company has to make a decision between upgrading and selling
      >> new. Look at the car companies.....every year, a new model with new
      >> features. Course they're going down the tubes, but not because they
      >> don't give current owners all the new features for free.
      >>
      >> Uniden is in business to make money. They have to keep happy customers
      >> to do so, but their main thrust (like all companies) is to make money.
      >> Decisions get made all the time, by every company, on what to sell
      >> new, and what to upgrade and what policies apply to do so.
      >>
      >> Yea, there will be people like you who get angry, and maybe never buy
      >> another product from them, and there will be more who will pay the
      >> cost to get the new <whatever>. One presumes, the marketing folks know
      >> which will generate the bigger long term stability for the
      >> company...which means they make enought money to stay in business and
      >> keep improving things.
      >>
      >> That's life....live with it.
      >>
      >> -------------- Original message from "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...
      >> <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>: --------------
      >>
      >> Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear
      >> they don't care.
      >>
      >> They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
      >> talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the
      >> idle bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take
      >> NOTHING to display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
      >>
      >> It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular
      >> area...its that the capability is already there, they just choose to
      >> limit the abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such
      >> as design limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
      >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
      >>
      >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
      >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >>
      >> First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
      >> the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even
      >> businesses
      >> though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
      >> "huge"
      >> in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles....
      >> Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
      >> requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
      >> that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
      >> would
      >> pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have
      >> added it
      >> long ago.
      >>
      >> John
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@... <mailto:miszak%40gmail.com>>
      >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >>
      >> > Under what rock are you living sir?
      >> >
      >> > LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
      >> >
      >> > To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
      >> > who's in the field trying to map out a system.
      >> >
      >> > Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
      >> listed
      >> > on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
      >> >
      >> > It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
      >> > mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
      >> > channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You
      >> could
      >> > have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
      >> > -----Original Message-----
      >> > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...
      >> <mailto:johnstark%40earthlink.net>>
      >> >
      >> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
      >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of
      >> > a
      >> > wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
      >> > thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for
      >> Uniden.
      >> > LTR
      >> > systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety
      >> users
      >> > is
      >> > dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
      >> > really
      >> > useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They
      >> > have
      >> > been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work
      >> best for
      >> > them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
      >> > safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research
      >> time
      >> > on
      >> > something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
      >> > scanner
      >> > users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
      >> > enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
      >> > things..... and thats a long list :)
      >> >
      >> > John
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > ----- Original Message -----
      >> > From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...
      >> <mailto:torontokris%40yahoo.com>>
      >> > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
      >> > Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
      >> >> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
      >> >> frequency
      >> >> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
      >> >>
      >> >> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for
      >> what you
      >> >> need but try
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com
      >> <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
      >> >>>
      >> >>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
      >> >>>
      >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
      >> >>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
      >> >>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BCD396XT%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
      >> >>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
      >> >>>
      >> >>>
      >> >>> > UPMan...
      >> >>> >
      >> >>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the
      >> support
      >> >>> > to
      >> >>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain
      >> >>> > the
      >> >>> > LCN
      >> >>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
      >> >>> >
      >> >>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on
      >> >>> > Unidens.
      >> >>> >
      >> >>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
      >> >>> >
      >> >>> > Thanks
      >> >>> >
      >> >>
      >>
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      >>
      >>
      >>
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