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458Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities

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  • johnstark
    Mar 6 6:36 AM
      Mike,

      Again you don't seem to grasp things from a business standpoint or an
      engineering standpoint. What may work with one radio may not work on the
      next due to firmware conflicts or a 100 other things. Believe me Uniden
      cares and they listen, so does GRE, but scanners are not the one and only
      product these companies make either. Everything they affects the bottom line
      and today thats even tougher. Undien is taking a huge gamble right now even
      releasing the new scanner due the worlds economy. It could make or break the
      scanner line now.
      The 396XT was made for a specific market, North America and certain things
      popular here may not be somewhere else. Scanners made for specific markets
      also have frequency differences, whats blocked here may not be blocked
      somewhere else and vice versa so taking your scanner to another country
      could possibly violate their laws. It's usually OK if you are an amature
      radio operator but even then it can get hairy.
      Learn about business descisions and manufacturing though before saying that
      Uniden is refusing to add things they had in the past or that it would be
      simple to add something new, it isn't as easy to do as you think or would
      like and many things need considered..... and memory is just one of the many
      things to consider.

      John


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
      To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:23 PM
      Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities


      > Given Uniden's past attitude towards adding features, its very clear they
      > don't care.
      >
      > They refuse to add features they already have in other radios (IE,
      > talkgroup voice type). The radio is already decoding the info in the idle
      > bursts and the data on the voice channel anyway. It would take NOTHING to
      > display it on the screen, or not require proper placement.
      >
      > It isn't about if a feature is going to be used in a particular area...its
      > that the capability is already there, they just choose to limit the
      > abilities of their radio. I don't believe any excuses such as design
      > limitations or memory because that simply isn't true!
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
      >
      > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:15:34
      > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >
      >
      > First off be civil, I'm not under any rock. Second your in Canada, not in
      > the US. Third I was talking about PUBLIC SAFETY using LTR. Even businesses
      > though are dropping LTR due to reliability issues. Fourth, it may be
      > "huge"
      > in Canada but not around here. There are two systems within 50 miles.....
      > Fifth, I'm sure your an expert on what it would take for Uniden to the
      > requested feature to their scanners. As I said earlier there really isn't
      > that big a market for it and knowing about design etc I don't think it
      > would
      > pay for them to add, and if it was easy as you said they would have added
      > it
      > long ago.
      >
      > John
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Mike Iszak" <miszak@...>
      > To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:59 PM
      > Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >
      >
      >> Under what rock are you living sir?
      >>
      >> LTR is *huge* and it isn't going away anytime soon.
      >>
      >> To say "just run LTR Analyzer" is great, but that doesn't help the guy
      >> who's in the field trying to map out a system.
      >>
      >> Up here in Toronto, there are a good number of LTR systems that are
      >> listed
      >> on RR, but there are a LOT that aren't, and a LOT that are incorrect.
      >>
      >> It requires very little effort on Unidens part to have an LTR analyze
      >> mode...the idle bursts announce what home channels are free and what
      >> channels are busy...this is also transmitted on voice traffic. You could
      >> have even a slow system mapped in half an hour.
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: "johnstark" <johnstark@...>
      >>
      >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:34:38
      >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Subject: Re: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >>
      >>
      >> Most LTR systems are already "known" so having that feature is kind of a
      >> wasted effort for Uniden, and as pointed out LTR Analyzer does the same
      >> thing, so again it really doesn't need to be a high priority for Uniden.
      >> LTR
      >> systems are getting fewer and fewer and the number of public safety users
      >> is
      >> dropping as well. I know of just one in Indiana that uses it and it's
      >> really
      >> useless for big incidents as that county learned the hard way. They have
      >> been investigateing other systems now to see whats going to work best for
      >> them and will dropping the LTR system as it is too limited for public
      >> safety. And thats another reason I doubt Uniden will waste research time
      >> on
      >> something thats just not used that much for public safety, and most
      >> scanner
      >> users don't use them for business monitoring. I do on occasion, but not
      >> enough to waste Unidens time, I'd prefer they work on more important
      >> things..... and thats a long list :)
      >>
      >> John
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "torontokris" <torontokris@...>
      >> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM
      >> Subject: [BCD396XT] Re: LTR Capabilities
      >>
      >>
      >>> John yes it works for LTR & EDACS but he wants to find out the LCN's
      >>> without programming in the whole system. Say if he only knew one
      >>> frequency
      >>> and held on it to get the LCN's from the scanner.
      >>>
      >>> Terry have you tried the LTR analyzer program? May not work for what you
      >>> need but try
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> --- In BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com, "johnstark" <johnstark@...> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Never had a problem listening to LTR or EDACS on the 396T
      >>>>
      >>>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>>> From: "Terry (SC21)" <RadioReference@...>
      >>>> To: <BCD396XT@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:28 PM
      >>>> Subject: [BCD396XT] LTR Capabilities
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> > UPMan...
      >>>> >
      >>>> > Will there be in this radio or ever any in Uniden radios, the support
      >>>> > to
      >>>> > be able to monitor LTR & EDACS frequencies and be able to obtain the
      >>>> > LCN
      >>>> > via simply monitoring the frequency?
      >>>> >
      >>>> > This is a great feature on GREs and would love to see it on Unidens.
      >>>> >
      >>>> > If you need a better explanation, please ask.
      >>>> >
      >>>> > Thanks
      >>>> >
      >>>
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