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  • D'vorah bint al-Attar
    Last summer (2010) I had the pleasure of being called up for an honorable mention in an A&S competition, but that pleasure was short-lived as I realized,
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 2, 2011
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      Last summer (2010) I had the pleasure of being called up for an honorable mention in an A&S competition, but that pleasure was short-lived as I realized, halfway up to the throne, that I had no idea of what to do once I got there. True to form, I was -- I am told -- cutely awkward at best.

      I don't want that to happen again. If ever I find myself under the royal or baronial gaze again, I would rather not disgrace myself, my canton, and my family of friends in the same manner twice. (I'm sure that, all unwitting, I will accidentally find many *different* ways to embarrass us all.)

      Is there a regular occurrence which takes place at the shire or baronial level, within Chicagoland, at which one might request instruction in the forms and behaviors most appropriate in the courts of gentle folk? Preferably NOT on a Friday night or a Saturday, since I can never attend those due to religious obligation?
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    • Ashton G.A Schoeffler-Miller
      My Lady, and indeed all of the Barony, I am going to plan to have 2-3 sessions at various meetings, events and practices in the local area during the next 2-3
      Message 2 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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        My Lady, and indeed all of the Barony,

        I am going to plan to have 2-3 sessions at various meetings, events and practices in the local area during the next 2-3 months, during which I will cover appropriate court ettiquete. 

        If any of you are interested in learning the correct behavior while in court and if called up in court, then please attend one of these sessions.  They will last about 30 minutes tops and will help to acclimate newer gentles, or even seasoned peers who need to be refreshed, on the basics. 

        A List of these sessions, will be posted in the near future to this list, and all canton lists. 

        Expect one such session to be held at All Souls.

        In Service to the Dream and the Barony,

        Herr Alexander Adelbrecht von Markelingen, APF
        Baronial Pursuivant Ayreton



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        Posted by: "D'vorah bint al-Attar" dvorah@...   dvorah.batadar

        Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:32 am (PDT)



        Last summer (2010) I had the pleasure of being called up for an honorable mention in an A&S competition, but that pleasure was short-lived as I realized, halfway up to the throne, that I had no idea of what to do once I got there. True to form, I was -- I am told -- cutely awkward at best.

        I don't want that to happen again. If ever I find myself under the royal or baronial gaze again, I would rather not disgrace myself, my canton, and my family of friends in the same manner twice. (I'm sure that, all unwitting, I will accidentally find many *different* ways to embarrass us all.)

        Is there a regular occurrence which takes place at the shire or baronial level, within Chicagoland, at which one might request instruction in the forms and behaviors most appropriate in the courts of gentle folk? Preferably NOT on a Friday night or a Saturday, since I can never attend those due to religious obligation?
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      • D'vorah bint al-Attar
        ... If the meetings don t take place on the Jewish Sabbath or holidays, I will be delighted to attend.
        Message 3 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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          On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:51 AM, Ashton G.A Schoeffler-Miller wrote:

          > My Lady, and indeed all of the Barony,
          >
          > I am going to plan to have 2-3 sessions at various meetings, events and practices in the local area during the next 2-3 months, during which I will cover appropriate court ettiquete.

          If the meetings don't take place on the Jewish Sabbath or holidays, I will be delighted to attend.
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        • Jill Elaine Hughes
          I believe the new Known World Handbook (available for sale at www.sca.org) also has some very helpful articles on court etiquette and courtly behavior in
          Message 4 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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            I believe the new Known World Handbook (available for sale at www.sca.org) also has some very helpful articles on court etiquette and courtly behavior in general, all written with the SCA newcomer in mind. Also, feel free to ask your local heralds about court protocol, this is one of our areas of expertise.
             
            YIS,
            Mariza de la Courete
            Vanished Wood Pursuiviant
             
             
            From: Ashton G.A Schoeffler-Miller <gmiller77@...>
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            Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:51 AM
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            My Lady, and indeed all of the Barony,

            I am going to plan to have 2-3 sessions at various meetings, events and practices in the local area during the next 2-3 months, during which I will cover appropriate court ettiquete. 

            If any of you are interested in learning the correct behavior while in court and if called up in court, then please attend one of these sessions.  They will last about 30 minutes tops and will help to acclimate newer gentles, or even seasoned peers who need to be refreshed, on the basics. 

            A List of these sessions, will be posted in the near future to this list, and all canton lists. 

            Expect one such session to be held at All Souls.

            In Service to the Dream and the Barony,

            Herr Alexander Adelbrecht von Markelingen, APF
            Baronial Pursuivant Ayreton


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            Posted by: "D'vorah bint al-Attar" dvorah@...   dvorah.batadar

            Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:32 am (PDT)



            Last summer (2010) I had the pleasure of being called up for an honorable mention in an A&S competition, but that pleasure was short-lived as I realized, halfway up to the throne, that I had no idea of what to do once I got there. True to form, I was -- I am told -- cutely awkward at best.

            I don't want that to happen again. If ever I find myself under the royal or baronial gaze again, I would rather not disgrace myself, my canton, and my family of friends in the same manner twice. (I'm sure that, all unwitting, I will accidentally find many *different* ways to embarrass us all.)

            Is there a regular occurrence which takes place at the shire or baronial level, within Chicagoland, at which one might request instruction in the forms and behaviors most appropriate in the courts of gentle folk? Preferably NOT on a Friday night or a Saturday, since I can never attend those due to religious obligation?
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          • D'vorah bint al-Attar
            ... Those articles are very helpful, but there s nothing quite like seeing something being done right before you, if you want to get the motions correct, and
            Message 5 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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              On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:54 AM, Jill Elaine Hughes wrote:

              > I believe the new Known World Handbook (available for sale at www.sca.org) also has some very helpful articles on court etiquette and courtly behavior in general, all written with the SCA newcomer in mind. Also, feel free to ask your local heralds about court protocol, this is one of our areas of expertise.
              >
              > YIS,
              > Mariza de la Courete
              > Vanished Wood Pursuiviant

              Those articles are very helpful, but there's nothing quite like seeing something being done right before you, if you want to get the motions correct, and being able to practice before people who can correct you.

              As for asking the heralds, well, I'm doing it right now, eh? :)
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            • Verena Entenwirt
              I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to bow to, and
              Message 6 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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                I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to bow to, and when to speak and/or kneel). Hopefully it will be helpful
                 
                -Verena

                On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, D'vorah bint al-Attar <dvorah@...> wrote:
                 


                On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:54 AM, Jill Elaine Hughes wrote:

                > I believe the new Known World Handbook (available for sale at www.sca.org) also has some very helpful articles on court etiquette and courtly behavior in general, all written with the SCA newcomer in mind. Also, feel free to ask your local heralds about court protocol, this is one of our areas of expertise.
                >
                > YIS,
                > Mariza de la Courete
                > Vanished Wood Pursuiviant

                Those articles are very helpful, but there's nothing quite like seeing something being done right before you, if you want to get the motions correct, and being able to practice before people who can correct you.

                As for asking the heralds, well, I'm doing it right now, eh? :)
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                D'vorah bint al-Attar
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              • D'vorah bint al-Attar
                ... That would be brilliant! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- D vorah bint al-Attar Middle Kingdom, Midlands,
                Message 7 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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                  On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:59 AM, Verena Entenwirt wrote:

                  > I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to bow to, and when to speak and/or kneel). Hopefully it will be helpful
                  >
                  > -Verena

                  That would be brilliant!
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                • ianthegreen01@gmail.com
                  There is a handbook that covers many conventions of courteous behavior in court. It should be available by download at the Dragon Heralds website. I will be
                  Message 8 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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                    There is a handbook that covers many conventions of courteous behavior in court. It should be available by download at the Dragon Heralds website.

                    I will be happy to provide the link when I am accessing my e-mail by computer instead of by phone if someone else hasn't already done so.

                    Ian the Green

                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                    From: D'vorah bint al-Attar <dvorah@...>
                    Sender: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
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                    Subject: Re: [Ayreton] Re: Court Behavior

                     


                    On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:59 AM, Verena Entenwirt wrote:

                    > I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to bow to, and when to speak and/or kneel). Hopefully it will be helpful
                    >
                    > -Verena

                    That would be brilliant!
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                  • Ian Green
                    The Midrealm Protocol Handbook http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/forms/MKProtocolHandbook.pdf I hope this may be useful to you in some manner. Ian the Green ...
                    Message 9 of 10 , Oct 3, 2011
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                      The Midrealm Protocol Handbook

                      http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/forms/MKProtocolHandbook.pdf

                      I hope this may be useful to you in some manner.

                      Ian the Green

                      On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:
                      There is a handbook that covers many conventions of courteous behavior in court. It should be available by download at the Dragon Heralds website.

                      I will be happy to provide the link when I am accessing my e-mail by computer instead of by phone if someone else hasn't already done so.

                      Ian the Green

                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


                      From: D'vorah bint al-Attar <dvorah@...>
                      Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:27 -0500
                      Subject: Re: [Ayreton] Re: Court Behavior

                       


                      On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:59 AM, Verena Entenwirt wrote:

                      > I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to bow to, and when to speak and/or kneel). Hopefully it will be helpful
                      >
                      > -Verena

                      That would be brilliant!
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                    • gmiller77@ymail.com
                      I will be hosting the first Session at the Baronial Business Meeting on Sunday October 30th. More sessions to come in the weeks and months following that. I
                      Message 10 of 10 , Oct 4, 2011
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                        I will be hosting the first Session at the Baronial Business Meeting on Sunday October 30th. More sessions to come in the weeks and months following that.

                        I personally learn better from example and experience... That is after all, why I joined the SCA, to learn by experience and not just by books.

                        I was always a hands on learner. I believe that a lot of our SCA folk are similar. Even if we don't all learn better from experience, we at least prefer to learn that way in the context of the SCA. Yes, reading has it's place in the Society, I will always praise that fact. However, it is by our doing that we learn the most logical way things might have been done. It is possible for 2 people to read something and have a completely different interpretation of it, but when something is done you find out what actually works and what is less then efficient.

                        By Doing a demonstration session with opportunities to practice one can see what we are trying to tell someone with our books and then we can offer them the corrections to their actions in a polite and positive way, without them feeling awkward because they have no clue and might feel that people are judging them in real court.

                        --- In Ayreton@yahoogroups.com, Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > The Midrealm Protocol Handbook
                        >
                        > http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/forms/MKProtocolHandbook.pdf
                        >
                        > I hope this may be useful to you in some manner.
                        > Ian the Green
                        >
                        > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > **
                        > > There is a handbook that covers many conventions of courteous behavior in
                        > > court. It should be available by download at the Dragon Heralds website.
                        > >
                        > > I will be happy to provide the link when I am accessing my e-mail by
                        > > computer instead of by phone if someone else hasn't already done so.
                        > >
                        > > Ian the Green
                        > >
                        > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                        > > ------------------------------
                        > > *From: * D'vorah bint al-Attar <dvorah@...>
                        > > *Sender: * Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
                        > > *Date: *Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:27 -0500
                        > > *To: *<Ayreton@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > *ReplyTo: * Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
                        > > *Subject: *Re: [Ayreton] Re: Court Behavior
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On 3 Oct 2011, at 10:59 AM, Verena Entenwirt wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > I took so video of some court aspects at this past Coronation. I can put
                        > > together a little video example of what one does (such as when and who to
                        > > bow to, and when to speak and/or kneel). Hopefully it will be helpful
                        > > >
                        > > > -Verena
                        > >
                        > > That would be brilliant!
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                        > > D'vorah bint al-Attar
                        > > Middle Kingdom, Midlands, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
                        > > dvorah@...
                        > > http://www.consensualreality.net/sca AND
                        > > Facebook: D'vorah Bint Al-Attar
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