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  • willow_swan60302
    Hello, I haven t been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to correct that. :) So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 14, 2006
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      Hello,

      I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
      correct that. :)

      So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
      is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
      with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?

      http://www.a2armory.com/scabatreadsh.html


      Thanks!
      Henry of Exeter
    • Erick Maxskelly
      I have a few observations/questions about the shield you have highlighted. I am not familiar with the armorer in question, so can t say anything about their
      Message 2 of 7 , Oct 14, 2006
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        I have a few observations/questions about the shield you have highlighted. I am not familiar with the armorer in question, so can't say anything about their work.

        1. Price - it seems rather expensive. $88 could go towards more/better armor.
        2. What are the shield's dimensions -  what are your dimensions? It may be too large or too small for you.
        3. How heavy is it?
        4. The orientation of the straps on the shield will make the shield difficult to use unless you change it.
        5. The leather straps themselves will be less stable than a more secure hand grip -  your opponent will be able to move your shield more easily.
        6. The shield edge looks like it will need to be covered to make it legal. Can't tell from the photo, but the merchant't disclaimer about "your responsibility" makes me think this is the case.

        These are just some of the questions I have. You may want to go to a practice and check out the different shields being used there. People are always willing to talk armor between bouts. You may even get a chance to try out a few different shield styles and sizes before going out and buying something you might not even like in the long run.

        Good luck, and welcome back to the crazyness.


        On 10/14/06, willow_swan60302 <hideyori@... > wrote:

        Hello,

        I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
        correct that. :)

        So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
        is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
        with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?

        http://www.a2armory.com/scabatreadsh.html

        Thanks!
        Henry of Exeter




        --
        Ld. Earik MacSkellie
        Squire to Sir Galem Lionel Ostwestly
        Marshal, Incipient Shire of Foxvale
      • AlexdeSet@aol.com
        Greetings! First, it would have to be inspected by a marshal, and so could not be used in the SCA right out of the box. Second, I don t see any edging to
        Message 3 of 7 , Oct 14, 2006
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          Greetings!
               First, it would have to be inspected by a marshal, and so could not be used in the SCA "right out of the box. Second, I don't see any edging to protect oponant's weapons as is required. Third, you would have to have a full gauntlet since there is no cage for your hand on the back, I personally don't strap my shield straight across the back like that-I set it up at an angle so the leading point is above my fist. That's not a rule, that's just how I do it.
               It is not Midrealm Legal out of the box, but they do not claim that. They say "This is an SCA regulation, battle-worthy medieval combat shield. " and "This SCA shield comes with two 1 1/2 inch genuine leather straps already attached so you can use it right out of the box.", and further, "It is your responsibility to understand SCA combat rules and regulations. These rules and regulations vary from tournament to tournament and all standards are subject to interpretation by Tournament Marshall. For your own protection, do not use this or any other shield in any combat activity unless it is approved by SCA Officials prior to event.".
          The preceeding is my opinion.
          Is mise le meas,
          Alexander de Seton

           
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: hideyori@...
          To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 9:14 PM
          Subject: [Ayreton] Armor question

          Hello,
          
            I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to 
          correct that.  :)
          
          So I am in need of some advice.  The shield at the following website, 
          is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim?  Has anyone dealt 
          with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?
          
          http://www.a2armory.com/scabatreadsh.html
          
          
          Thanks!
          Henry of Exeter
          
          
          
          
          
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        • Gocauo
          I have not heard of them either, but I myself am getting back after a 6 year hiatus. As others have stated Edges will have to covered to protect opponents
          Message 4 of 7 , Oct 15, 2006
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            I have not heard of them either, but I myself am getting back after a 6 year hiatus.
             
            As others have stated
            • Edges will have to covered to protect opponents blade, either leather or padding
            • Can't tell from the picture but there cannot be any projections more than 3/8 of an inch
            • Strap set up appears akward.  Most folks strap thier shield the way Alexander describes it, however I have always used a center boss.
            • You will either need a basket or a gauntlet behind the shield
            • Again, may not be the right size for you
            • $88 seems a little much

            If you have your heart set on metal shield, Illusion Armory (no relation) has T-6 aluminum heaters starting at $65.  Or even cheaper you can go by your local city works department and try to buy an old street sign off of them. 

             

            You state that you are getting back into it after a 13 year break.  Perhaps you should consider some 1/2 inch plywood for now until you find a size or shape you are comfortable with.  It's a little heavy, but cheap to replace and you can cut is down very easily.

             

            Senhor Gõcauo Ramiriç
            Squired to Jarl Kveldulfr af Úlfsgarr, MSCA
            The Middle Kingdom
            Shire of Rokkehealden


            ----- Original Message ----
            From: willow_swan60302 <hideyori@...>
            To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:14:17 PM
            Subject: [Ayreton] Armor question

            Hello,

            I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
            correct that. :)

            So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
            is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
            with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?

            http://www.a2armory .com/scabatreads h.html

            Thanks!
            Henry of Exeter



          • Technomancer
            Personally I cringe at the thought a lugging around a 16 Gage steel shield, that is going to be heavy... Other points have been covered, but shield strapping
            Message 5 of 7 , Oct 15, 2006
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              Personally I cringe at the thought a lugging around a 16 Gage steel shield, that is going to be heavy...

              Other points have been covered, but shield strapping is a very personal choice. Most fighters I have seen have a few sets of extra holes in their shields as the tried to find the perfect strapping.

              Go to a few practices and try some different shields and find what you like.

              Honestly going from a premade shield blank to legal shield is not that much work, 2 two hours tops if you don't know what you are doing, 45min if you do.

              My shield is from here:
              http://bymyhanddesigns.com/


              ----- Original Message ----
              From: willow_swan60302 <hideyori@...>
              To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:14:17 PM
              Subject: [Ayreton] Armor question

              Hello,

              I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
              correct that. :)

              So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
              is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
              with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?

              http://www.a2armory .com/scabatreads h.html

              Thanks!
              Henry of Exeter



            • Doug Petroshius
              I think that you will find that after fighting with a 16 gauge steel shield, it will appear heavy and your performance will suffer. I recommend an aluminum one
              Message 6 of 7 , Oct 15, 2006
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                I think that you will find that after fighting with a 16 gauge steel shield,
                it will appear heavy and your performance will suffer. I recommend an
                aluminum one from one of the below armorers:

                http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zen%5Fnew/

                http://www.illusionarmoring.com/

                I have ordered from both and have been pleased with their results. Some will
                do neat things like pre-drill holes in for edging (something I prefer, since
                I never like how my drill work turns out :)

                In any case, Good Luck!

                ~Gintaras~
                (GIN'-te-ris)




                >From: Gocauo <gocauo@...>
                >Reply-To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
                >To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [Ayreton] Armor question
                >Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
                >
                >I have not heard of them either, but I myself am getting back after a 6
                >year hiatus.
                >
                >As others have stated
                >Edges will have to covered to protect opponents blade, either leather or
                >padding
                >Can't tell from the picture but there cannot be any projections more than
                >3/8 of an inch
                >Strap set up appears akward. Most folks strap thier shield the way
                >Alexander describes it, however I have always used a center boss.
                >You will either need a basket or a gauntlet behind the shield
                >Again, may not be the right size for you
                >$88 seems a little much
                >If you have your heart set on metal shield, Illusion Armory (no relation)
                >has T-6 aluminum heaters starting at $65. Or even cheaper you can go by
                >your local city works department and try to buy an old street sign off of
                >them.
                >
                >You state that you are getting back into it after a 13 year break. Perhaps
                >you should consider some 1/2 inch plywood for now until you find a size or
                >shape you are comfortable with. It's a little heavy, but cheap to replace
                >and you can cut is down very easily.
                >
                >Senhor G�cauo Ramiri�
                >Squired to Jarl Kveldulfr af �lfsgarr, MSCA
                >The Middle Kingdom
                >Shire of Rokkehealden
                >
                >
                >
                >----- Original Message ----
                >From: willow_swan60302 <hideyori@...>
                >To: Ayreton@yahoogroups.com
                >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:14:17 PM
                >Subject: [Ayreton] Armor question
                >
                >Hello,
                >
                >I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
                >correct that. :)
                >
                >So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
                >is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
                >with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?
                >
                >http://www.a2armory .com/scabatreads h.html
                >
                >Thanks!
                >Henry of Exeter
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • hideyori@comcast.net
                I d like to thank everyone for thier advice and very helpful thoughts. I had the same misgivings as most of you stated and I just wanted to make sure I wasn t
                Message 7 of 7 , Oct 16, 2006
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                  I'd like to thank everyone for thier advice and very helpful thoughts.  I had the same misgivings as most of you stated and I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything in the last decade or so.  :)
                   
                  Thank you,
                   
                  Henry of Exeter
                   
                  -------------- Original message --------------
                  From: Gocauo <gocauo@...>

                   
                  I have not heard of them either, but I myself am getting back after a 6 year hiatus.
                   
                  As others have stated
                  • Edges will have to covered to protect opponents blade, either leather or padding
                  • Can't tell from the picture but there cannot be any projections more than 3/8 of an inch
                  • Strap set up appears akward.  Most folks strap thier shield the way Alexander describes it, however I have always used a center boss.
                  • You will either need a basket or a gauntlet behind the shield
                  • Again, may not be the right size for you
                  • $88 seems a little much

                  If you have your heart set on metal shield, Illusion Armory (no relation) has T-6 aluminum heaters starting at $65.  Or even cheaper you can go by your local city works department and try to buy an old street sign off of them. 

                   

                  You state that you are getting back into it after a 13 year break.  Perhaps you should consider some 1/2 inch plywood for now until you find a size or shape you are comfortable with.  It's a little heavy, but cheap to replace and you can cut is down very easily.

                   

                  Senhor G�cauo Ramiri�
                  Squired to Jarl Kveldulfr af �lfsgarr, MSCA
                  The Middle Kingdom
                  Shire of Rokkehealden


                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: willow_swan60302 <hideyori@comcast. net>
                  To: Ayreton@yahoogroups .com
                  Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:14:17 PM
                  Subject: [Ayreton] Armor question

                  Hello,

                  I haven't been active for close to 13 years but I am looking to
                  correct that. :)

                  So I am in need of some advice. The shield at the following website,
                  is it Midrealm legal "out of the box" as they claim? Has anyone dealt
                  with them and can vouch for the shields/reliability of the merchant?

                  http://www.a2armory .com/scabatreads h.html

                  Thanks!
                  Henry of Exeter



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