Re: [Authentic_SCA] Re: Questions about Mantles/Hoods/Short Cloaks
- On 09/23/2010 05:48 PM, Quokkaqueen wrote:
> Isn't a short cloak a cape?Yes, if the cloak is shaped. A short rectangular cloak, if not wrapped
around the body and held in front (in which case it's a shawl) is not a
cape, I don't think.
- Thank you for the early period information (and yep I was asking female
dress, I just had a moment and forgot to include it.)
- Kendra Dey wrote:
> I love the idea of hoods (however you call them) but I'm havingI haven't found that particular style in either a Viking or a 14th century English context. As has been noted earlier, what you're describing resembles a 16th century German overgarment known as a "gollar" -- see http://research.fibergeek.com/category/garbclothing/16th-century-german/page/5/ for examples.
> difficultly finding period documentation on a particular
> style/general style at least for my general interests of Viking
> and 14th century English.
> The ones I love functionally are basically short cloaks (waist
> length in general) with no hood. I was wanting to make one out of
> fur for winter events and wanted some additional input.
I will say that I've seen a related sort of garment in very the very late 14th century; it appears to be a hood, but the women are wearing them with the hood pulled down.
They are from from a Tacuinum Sanitatis produced c. 1390-1400 in Pavia or Milan.
If you're looking for historically accurate 14th century English outerwear, I'd suggest checking out the women's hoods at http://larsdatter.com/hoods.htm or possibly the mantles at http://larsdatter.com/cloaks.htm -- I don't have a linkspage (yet -- hmm, maybe soon!) for some of the less fashionable sorts of bundled winterwear that we see on peasants in wintry scenes, but that's quite different from what you're looking for, I think.
- I have evidence of that sort of hoodless cape for Pictish men. It is striped, about elbow length, and may be of fur, but since the evidence is on a carved stone, the material is largely conjecture. For the relevant image, see the upper right of page 6 of my handout The Well Dressed Pict, available at: http://eithni.com/referencedesk/TheWell-DressedPict.pdf
When he has obtained those things which are necessary to life, there is another alternative than to obtain the superfluities; and that is, to adventure on life now, his vacation from humbler toil having commenced. ---Thoreau
- The german look is exactly what I'm going for. It seems like it should be a
logical garment but that's from the 21st century.
Thank you to everyone who has given me input!
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All these shawls seem to be roughly 1m x 2.5 m.
Slip of the fingers, that should be 1x1.5 m, not 2.5.
~Asfridhr, needs to learn to proofread better.