Re: [Authentic_SCA] Re: dealing with fugitive dyes and dye-setting
- Again dealing with a more specific time and place than the SCA, but
possibly of interest, I remembered a site that had the results of the
Regia dye project, that includes the mordants used:
- I think that's spelled "Plictho".
>From: Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil@...>
>Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 8:17:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] dealing with fugitive dyes and dye-setting
>A book called "The Plitho" of Gioanventura Rosetti, which exists in first
>edition from 1548 is a good book to get you started.
- Thanks Tasha,
I kept looking at it and was unable to see what was wrong. I greatly
appreciate your correction on the spelling. I am purposely leaving the two
other emails attached so that the meaning and proper spelling can be
attached to the proper post.
Despina de la long day
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Diane Sawyer Dooley <
> I think that's spelled "Plictho".[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >A book called "The Plitho" of Gioanventura Rosetti, which exists in first
> >edition from 1548 is a good book to get you started.
- Proper mordanting and after-dyeing treatments were certainly used, but
medieval dyes still almost all faded more than we are accustomed to.
I imagine they didn't think much about it, as we accept the fading of
"Refreshing"--redyeing-- the cloth was common.
And they treated their textiles much more gently than we treat ours.
Clothing was washed sparingly and carefully stored.
Mistress Flavia's dye samples are still bright after more than a
decade, but I've kept them on the bookshelf--they hang out in front of
the booklet--and not washed them. I have a box of wools I dyed that
seem quite bright after 2 to many years, but again, they're washed
infrequently and gently and kept out of the sun.
People with expensive dyed clothes probably did not wear them outside
in full sunlight, or if so, considered which colors to expose to the
sun. Or could afford to throw them away.
Late Period or post-Period dyers' handbooks may reveal some methods of
setting colors, but a lot of dye technology was of great commercial
value and so kept secret by the guilds.
As others said, different times and places had different methods,
resources and fibers.
Unser Hafen, Outlands
references I can lay my hands on quickly:
section on caring for clothes and furs in Le Mesnagier de Paris
(1393), Tania Bayard's edition & translation
Mistress Flavia's dye booklets (Natural Dye Basics, and, A friendly
guide to Period Dyes and Fibers)
On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:13 AM, CLEY wrote:
> Just curious: were there period methods of setting dyes to minimize
> fading, and/or ways to retain color on what were otherwise fugitive
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- I received a note from Gale Owes-C rocker today saying that the
upcoming paperback edition of _Dress in Anglo-Saxon England_ is no
different from the hardcover second edition (which is becoming
available at a reduced price from many dealers because the paperback
is imminent). Then she added:
>We are producing anHazel Uzzell--the long-suffering wife of the smell-impaired Ian, whom
>Encyclopaedia of Medieval Dress and Taxtiles of the British Isles c
>450-1450 which will come out as a book and electronic edition,
>published by BRill, scheduled for 2011.
I mentioned earlier--noted this when I mentioned it on another list:
I> have written a paper on dyeing during the period for this
publication. It has just gone through its last peer and editorial revue.
>There is a separate paper on woad, which I reviewed.is going to be a bit pricey!
>I'm looking forward to the publication next year....but I think it
A bit in the future to help right now, but something that some of you
might want to look out for!