Re: [Authentic_SCA] 2nd Crusades
- Robert Van Rens wrote:
> He would NOT have carried a mug on a strap at his belt. No one did - this is a modern anachronism with no evidence that it is based in historical practice. Drinking from a small jug (modernly a mug) is pretty vulgar, and there's not a lot of visual evidence for it this early. It was the kind of thing men did in taverns, or soldiers on campaign, or similar disreputable folks.I am strangely pleased to discover that I'm doing something mildly
disreputable--but annoyed that my method is anachronistic. Regrettably,
my mug's chainmail-with-fake-jewels strap wasn't based on period visual
evidence either. Now that I"m not carrying cigarettes and a lighter, I
suspect it will fit in my belt pouch along with the car keys, 20th-c.
wallet, bag for the rings, etc.
I *have* seen visual evidence that tucking one's gloves into the belt is
More on the original question:
* It occurs to me that if you've got a sword and a knife, you'll carry
sharpening equipment. I'd figure a whetstone and one or more oily
cloths--presumably in a little oil-proof bag--but I may well need to
stand corrected on this point, too.
* While no D&D backpack would be complete without a length of rope, I
don't know if it makes sense for our 2nd-Crusade armsman. But
flint-&-steel seems reasonable.
* If your boy already has a metal flask, or other too-fancy gear, he
doesn't need to have afforded it. That's what foraging (aka looting) is
for, and/or gifts from one's liege.
> From my research the whole "Mug on the belt" thing is a modern concept<<snip>>
There were leather cases that cups were placed inside:
15-16th century French:
15-16th century German case (glass itself is earlier)
15th century English case (glass is earlier)
What might be just a guess from the Victoria & Albert Museum, is the idea that the case 'could be carried on a belt for convenience' or the 'thong might be used to tie a small case to a belt for convenience.' (From vam.ac.uk and the flickr descriptions, respectively.) So there is a vague chance that a cup - in a case- might be a plausible way to carry a cup in the 15th and 16th centuries. It is significantly different to the near-universally worn tankard on a leather strap, but I'd suggest the concept itself is likely.
But this is much, much later than the 12th century and the time of the second Crusade.
- the Coilition of Historical Treckers might have info...
Marianne Perdomo <marianne@...> wrote:
> Exactly, also armies elsewhere... What I've never read is what smaller bands
> of more normal travellers would do. But it makes sense to me that they'd do
> something similar, though on a smaller scale. I think there's several
> account of pilgrimages (like Margery Kempe's IIRC) where pilgrims would join
> in a group. What I'm not sure is the extent of their traveling arrangements.
- On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Quokkaqueen wrote:
> So there is a vague chance that a cup - in a case- might be aAs far as I know, the tankard on a leather strap hanging from a belt
> plausible way to carry a cup in the 15th and 16th centuries. It is
> significantly different to the near-universally worn tankard on a
> leather strap, but I'd suggest the concept itself is likely.
has purely practical modern roots -- I believe it was invented at
Renaissance Faires in California, where having a cup always within
reach is helpful in encouraging people to drink enough water and stay
hydrated during a long and very hot day outdoors. Hikers sometimes
carry a cup hooked to their belt for similar reasons.
O (Dame) Christian de Holacombe, OL - Shire of Windy Meads
+ Kingdom of the West - Chris Laning <claning@...>
http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com
> At some point I've been thinking how one may do a pilgrimageYou may be interested in this site, the blog of a girl who travelled
> medievally... I
> think the solution would have to lie in traveling very lightly.
the Santiago pilgrimage way from Turin in nearly entirely medieval kit
Check out her lovely equipment pages.
best, Ynes de Toledo (Insulae Draconis)
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- Labhaoise wrote:
> the Coalition of Historical Treckers might have info...Except that their period starts when ours leaves off.