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help request - clothing, customs, from the Savoy region

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  • fran_manning
    I ve been a longtime lurker, too indecisive to settle on a persona... but I think I m getting there! I m drawn towards the Savoy region of current era France
    Message 1 of 6 , Jan 6, 2009
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      I've been a longtime lurker, too indecisive to settle on a persona...
      but I think I'm getting there! I'm drawn towards the Savoy region of
      current era France and north Italy (lots of happy holidays!) but not
      yet settled on a time period.

      I'm finding it hard though to get hold of information / references on
      life, garb and customs from the region. Can anybody point me in the
      direction of useful starters? With thanks in advance for patience,
      forgiveness for cross-posting to spread the net wider, and for any
      advice - can anyone help?!

      gratefully,
      fran
    • Brad Moore
      Not knowing an exact period, its difficult to point very clearly, but two fantastic works for the 1400-1500 time period are Renaissance Dress in Italy,
      Message 2 of 6 , Jan 6, 2009
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        Not knowing an exact period, its difficult to point very clearly, but two fantastic works for the 1400-1500 time period are "Renaissance Dress in Italy, 1400-1500" by Jacqueline Herald, and "History of Dress:  Late Gothic Europe, 1400-1500" by Margaret Scott.  both are out of print, but are available through interlibrary loan.  Both give fantastic ideas for garb, and lots of interesting history of daily living.
         Brad Moore 

        "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
        - J.R.R. Tolkien




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      • julian wilson
        Fran, I m not a specialist on medieval Savoy - but I have recently been reading  and studying several books for background data to improve my own persona.
        Message 3 of 6 , Jan 6, 2009
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          Fran, I'm not a specialist on medieval Savoy - but I have recently been reading  and studying several books for background data to improve my own persona. Spuffor'd well-reaerched Medieval Money, and Medieval Merchants, - and the Gies's Life in a Medieval City [ all of which come with copious reference Bibliographies counting hundreds of entries]; - and I'd say from the info given about medieval Italy in those well-referenced books that medieval Italy's culture and fashions were dominated by the great Trading-City States,  viz - Genoa, Florence, Milan, Venice, &c. And I'd theorise that Savoyards [with sufficiently-large disposable incomes]  would have been heavily influenced in their lifestyles by the nearest of those great Trading Cities. Identify which city that was in-period, and take your references from there.

          In Service to the medieval Dream, and to Shire, Principlaity, and Kingdom,
          Matthew baker.

          --- On Tue, 6/1/09, fran_manning <fran.manning@...> wrote:
          From: fran_manning <fran.manning@...>
          Subject: [Authentic_SCA] help request - clothing, customs, from the Savoy region
          To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 12:06 PM

          I've been a longtime lurker, too indecisive to settle on a persona...
          but I think I'm getting there! I'm drawn towards the Savoy region of
          current era France and north Italy (lots of happy holidays!) but not
          yet settled on a time period.

          I'm finding it hard though to get hold of information / references on
          life, garb and customs from the region. Can anybody point me in the
          direction of useful starters? With thanks in advance for patience,
          forgiveness for cross-posting to spread the net wider, and for any
          advice - can anyone help?!

          gratefully,
          fran


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        • fran_manning
          Just a quick thank you for advice received on this - I ll start hunting down the references suggested. Choosing a time period needs also to be influenced by
          Message 4 of 6 , Jan 9, 2009
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            Just a quick thank you for advice received on this - I'll start
            hunting down the references suggested. Choosing a time period needs
            also to be influenced by my limited sewing ability, my limited
            budget and my student debt, but now I have some super starting
            points, so thanks again!

            fran
          • julian wilson
            Fran, just another quick response.  limited sewing ability - so have my lady and I but we discovered that a cheap sewing machine helps a lot. We have found 
            Message 5 of 6 , Jan 10, 2009
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              Fran, just another quick response.
               limited sewing ability - so have my lady and I but we discovered that a cheap sewing machine helps a lot. We have found  vVERY cheap sewing machines in working condition, including basic "Singers" our grandmothers would have recognised - in Charity-operated or Thrift shops, and never paid more than £10 for one in working condition. All the spares are STILL available for models right back to the Great War era; - and all you really need to make garb is the machine's ability to sticth a straight line forward or backwards. You don't NEED to have all the bells and whistles of more-modern Models.One can even do acceptable work with a treadle-fitted or hand-operated Model; and even this will save you hours of precious time.
              limited budget - I don't know what the second-hand Charity or Thrift shops are like in the area where you live, but in our little Island, those places tend to take-in clean soft-furnishings and clean second-hand clothing, too, donated to the Charity as the original owner upgrades a house or a wardrobe.  These fabric items tend to be re-sold for  very little money. So one can get a lot of fabric to re-cycle very cheaply.

              Those are the helpful hints from our own return to re-enacting back in 2003. They worked for us, and hopefully they'll also be helpful to you.

              Servus,
              Lord matthew Baker,
              now Hospitaller for West Dragonshire, Insulæ Draconis, Kingdom of Drachenwald.
              [ see
              < www.westdragonshire.org >  ]

              --- On Sat, 10/1/09, fran_manning <fran.manning@...> wrote:
              From: fran_manning <fran.manning@...>
              Subject: [Authentic_SCA] Re: help request - clothing, customs, from the Savoy region
              To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 6:08 AM

              Just a quick thank you for advice received on this - I'll start
              hunting down the references suggested. Choosing a time period needs
              also to be influenced by my limited sewing ability, my limited
              budget and my student debt, but now I have some super starting
              points, so thanks again!

              fran


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            • Labhaoise O'Beachain
              Singer originally sold thier machines promising to maintain parts availabiltiy FOREVER!!!! They went through a period of trying to buy them up, but they are
              Message 6 of 6 , Jan 10, 2009
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                Singer originally sold thier machines promising to maintain parts
                availabiltiy FOREVER!!!! They went through a period of trying to buy
                them up, but they are good solid machines.... my oldest is 19th century
                and works as well as ever! it does require generous aplication of foot
                power, but that is a good thing in my book.
                Labhaoise
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