Re: Years covered by SCA
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>Ham, while I'm a veg. (called pythagoraeans at the time and though
> My Late Period friend, so am I. I am Late Period 1570's England.
unfashionable) and won't eat it, is period and should be welcomed as
such. Any attempt to surpress it is intollerance and the concept of
early period cutoff at about 1600 should be brought up if such
inattention to documentation should be bandied. Take note that I
could care less about a start date but that intollerance about thngs
that would have been recognised after 1500 being intollerably late is
inexcusable. I am an Elizabethan and if I want to have pumpkin and
turkey for my Christmas feast than it is NOT out of period. PROVE TO
ME IT ISN'T. Pumpkins and turkeys came over from the New World in the
early part of the 16th Century. Henry VIII ate pumpkin pie. It's
documented. Tell me it's not and back it up with better than
Wikipedia. Challenge set. Your game.
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there were pumpkins in the Old World, even though the ones we have
now are derived from New World varieties. The ancient Romans and
Greeks ate punmpkins. Apicius includes recipes for cooking pumpkins.
Seneca the Younger even wrote a poem about the Emperor Claudius being
transformed into a pumpkin.
I think modern strawberries are also descended from Southern American
varieties, but of course they had strawberries in period, they had
the small wild ones native to Europe.
And we also have to eat orange carrots even though carrots in period
were not orange, but usually whitish or yellowish (the orange
varieties date back to the 17th century IIRC), and most of the other
kinds of fruit and vegetables we eat are not like their period
However, we have to take the varieties we can get nowadays.
Brussels sprouts, on the other hand, are definitely not period, they
were only created in the early 19th century, which should be a relief
for those of us who hate Brussels sprouts.
As far as the turkey is concerned, you can always pretend it's a
I hope you had a great Christmas!
- I've been thinking for awhile about why I object to New World foods at
feasts. It isn't the fact that they aren't period. Its more the fact that
it seems that when things like potatoes, tomatoes, chocolate and turkey were
served, they would have been a novelty. These foods would have been new and
exotic and serving them at a feast would have made a statement. Serving
them as a ordinary part of a feast, with no effort to get people to think
about how 16th century people would have seen these foods has the effect of
pulling us into the modern world, where a dish of mashed potatoes is
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