Re: [Authentic_SCA] Roman resources
- Rosie asks
> Hey Everyone,Rosie -
> My lord has decided on a Roman persona. What would you say are the
> absolute MUST have books? Are there any that I should avoid? I'm hoping
> to get a Christmas present that he'll actually like this year...
Here's the important question - What KIND of Roman?
Republican, Imperial, Late (post-Imperial expansion), Byzantine? A little
clarification so we know where to point you would be a great thing.
Here's a link to my (non-SCA) Imperial; reenactment group's website - we
'do' late 1st century AD (95 AD) http://legio-ix-hispana.org/
Please feel free to ask questions - since most of the questions here on the
list fall outside areas of my expertise
M. Scithius Antiochus (when he's off playing Roman)
> Here's the important question - What KIND of Roman?He seems keen on the first century Romans; Rome rather than Byzantium.
He says he wants to get a Roman style kit together for combat, both
archery and heavy. He says his persona is an underwear merchant, but
I'm not sure if he's joking about that :)
Best I can do really, it's hard to tell what is planning and what is
pondering with him.
- A very good basic to have in the collection is _The World of Roman
Costume_ by Sebesta and Bonfante. It's about $30-45.
There is an SCA_romans list in Yahoo! Groups that has discussed this
once in while, the archives will be a great resource to getting you
further in your search. :)
Samia in Northshield
- MODERATOR NOTE - Please be courteous to the other members of the list and sign your posts so we know with whom we are conversing. Thank you.
Jehanne de Wodeford, Pacific Time Zone Moderator.
Try Roman Military Clothing I - 3 by Graham Sumner. 2 covers 200-400 and 3 covers 400 - 640 AD. Very good material by on of the best on the subject.
- Sounds like my hubby. He's 1st c. Roman as well, and still developing
his main persona. (First thing was to get him garb.)
Check out SCA Romans list for sure--lots of good info there, and I did
find the book the other person mentioned, and it is excellent.
(whose 2nd persona is a Roman lady during the summer months)
Amazon.com has paperback copies of the Sebesta book still.
- The book Roman Clothing and Fashion by AT Croom is another really
good one, which has some nice full color reconstruction photos. It
also covers clothes throughout early Rome and up to Byzantine.
Amazon.com still carries the paperback, and if he wants to be a
citizen and wants a toga,
The Roman Toga by Lillian May Wilson.
It is a reprint of an old book from the 1920's, which has black and
white photos of reconstructed togas from different eras. She
discusses the differences in cut and draping, depending on the era,
and there are diagrams for pattern layout (useful if you have someone
who can do drafting to help you). It is a very good resource.
I have all three of these books myself, and you can still find them.
> If he wants to be a citizen and wants a toga,He does want a toga, just for special occasions! We just can't find any
white wool for less than the cost of a new house :) Ok, I exaggerate.
Thanks everyone for the book suggestions. The guy WILL like his
Christmas present this year! He's on the SCA romans list too, but it's
not right to make him research his own Chrissie pressie.
- Hmm... you can use white linen for summer. Off-white or white works,
and I believe minimum of 6 yards. I haven't had the chance to read all
the way through my books yet. (I just got them.) A toga is on my
project list, too, but one thing at a time! He needed a few more tunics
for starters. :) He can't sew and I'm it. :)
Contact Pendleton Woolen Mills. They WILL ship from the outlet store in
Washougal, WA. They don't have their bolt fabric listed on the
internet, though. I already asked the gal there if they'd sent bolt-cut
fabric via mail. The answer was yes, but you need to know what you
want. If they have it, they'll send it. Sometimes they do have a cream
wool there. It's soft stuff, like you'd use to make a neck scarf. It's
not the heavy coating stuff, though.
They often have summer weight blue wool gabardine that just makes
Go to the store locator page and look for the information for
Washougal, WA. They should have a phone number, too. Their off the bolt
prices are anywhere from $3.99/yd to $10 depending on what kind of
Barony of Stromgard
- Here's some more info on togas, and the nice photos ARE from one of
the books I have--but they're in black and white instead. I think
it's the Sebesta book. (Never mind the old guy waving his arm--no,
he's NOT in the books!)
The cutting diagram is taken from the Wilson book, which is the one I
mentioned you might want.
Here's one sited from an older book, one out of print, no doubt, but
probably helpful if used with other sources.
This article is well-researched with photos of primary source stuff
on Roman dress and jewelry.
- Here's a glossary of Latin terms for colors and clothing that is useful.
- And here's Sebesta's slide show of the stuff mentioned in her book:
It's the Norma Goldman one.
This should help, too.
- I'm sorry to say I can't point you to any good resources, but I can
give you an anecdote; at an event several years ago in Meridies a
group of Roman re-enactors showed up for court in full legion armor
with their ladies following behind in woolen togas with veils, and all
of their children wearing togas and tunicas. It was so unexpected and
brilliantly done, it actually made the hair on the back of my neck
> I'm sorry to say I can't point you to any good resources, but I canMy lord is doing Roman at the moment, and we've learned that only men
> give you an anecdote; at an event several years ago in Meridies a
> group of Roman re-enactors showed up for court in full legion armor
> with their ladies following behind in woolen togas with veils, and all
> of their children wearing togas and tunicas. It was so unexpected and
> brilliantly done, it actually made the hair on the back of my neck
> stand up.
wore togas. They're really irritating things, so no one liked to wear
them. At one stage the emperor had to make a law to force the senators
to dress appropriately! Women wear a tunica or peplos, have the option
of a stolla (which they didn't like wearing either) and the obligatory
palla. The palla wasn't quite as long as a toga, it seems, but could be
worn like one. Mostly women would bring it up to cover their head
though, when they were out and about. I think women and children would
look a bit funny in togas, but the guys in armour must have looked
Hope you don't mind my nitpicking, but Roman gear is very serious
business around here. My lord has taken to drinking grape juice, a la
Roman, and not just at events!
- MODERATOR NOTE - Please sign your posts. Thank you. Jehanne de Wodeford, Pacific Time Zone Moderator.
Roman is far from my period I do 15th and 16th century, and I am unfamiliar with the proper terms for the garments and can only tell you what they looked like.