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  • jentien@aol.com
    Just thought I might ad a little something here......I would suggest keeping it simple at first, and perhaps opting for the more simple clothing of the lower
    Message 1 of 16 , Feb 29, 2008
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      Just thought I might ad a little something here......I would suggest keeping it simple at first, and perhaps opting for the more simple clothing of the lower classes,?rather that jumping right into Elizabethan and the like. I'm kind of jaded, but I'm a big fan of 14th century duds.??There is so much information available from extant finds and illuminations that patterns aren't terribly difficult to obtain......or, if you aren't into making things yourself, there are several good merchants that sell clothing and accessories from that time period.

      Jantien de Groet



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    • Rebecca Klingbeil
      I m kind of ... If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something? I am merchant and while I am in the
      Message 2 of 16 , Mar 22, 2008
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        I'm kind of
        > jaded, but I'm a big fan of 14th century
        > duds.??There is so much information available from
        > extant finds and illuminations that patterns aren't
        > terribly difficult to obtain......or, if you aren't
        > into making things yourself, there are several good
        > merchants that sell clothing and accessories from
        > that time period.
        >
        > Jantien de Groet
        >

        If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track
        this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something?

        I am merchant and while I am in the business of
        selling things things to the SCA, it is not my only
        reason for being in SCA. That said, I still need to
        make a living. Which has to do with my question:

        I had an idea for a product that is essentially a
        research help - or at least, that is the concept. I
        found myself wondering that since many of us use
        period paintings and illuminations in our research,
        would having a large number of such images in one
        place be useful? For example, if you wanted to make
        15th c. Italian shoes, would a collection of images
        from the 15th c. that had accompanying text that let
        you know which ones were from Italy so you could
        easily view a large number of images by 15th c.
        Italians showed shoes be useful?

        In essence, it would be a series of CD-ROMs with
        images that were sorted by what was shown in them
        (men's clothing, women's clothing, jewelry, armor,
        shoes, household goods, furniture, musical
        instruments, etc.).

        I want to do this project, because I think it would be
        useful, but, it requires a monetary investment to
        acquire the legal right to reproduce certain images.
        So I would have to charge for the CDs because I simply
        could not afford to create them otherwise. (Granted, I
        would not charge a lot - maybe $4-$5 a CD-ROM).

        I suppose why I am posting this is: Am I off base? Is
        this a crazy idea or a truly useful one? Should I
        scrap it now before I invest the time (to find,
        categorize, and sort the images) and money to creat
        these?

        I'm asking this list because SCAdians like yourselves
        would, frankly, be a target market for such an idea,
        since it is aimed at helping the re-enactor visually
        reverence period items.

        Thanks for letting me ask this,
        Leofwynn Marchaunt
        (mka Rebecca Klingbeil)
      • Ingvarr �rrabein
        ... If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something? I m asking this list because SCAdians like
        Message 3 of 16 , Mar 23, 2008
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          -----Original Message-----

          If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track
          this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something?

          <snip>

          I'm asking this list because SCAdians like yourselves
          would, frankly, be a target market for such an idea,
          since it is aimed at helping the re-enactor visually
          reverence period items.

          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

          I think that you would have no problem selling them, especially at $5+/-
          each. I would buy a few.

          Ingvarr
        • i_odlin
          ... It would be very useful. It is also very, very unlikely -- sadly -- that it could be done. Copyright law is an ugly and dangerous subject, and I highly
          Message 4 of 16 , Mar 23, 2008
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            --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Klingbeil
            <bekkamom2001@...> wrote:
            > I suppose why I am posting this is: Am I off base? Is
            > this a crazy idea or a truly useful one? Should I
            > scrap it now before I invest the time (to find,
            > categorize, and sort the images) and money to creat
            > these?

            It would be very useful. It is also very, very unlikely -- sadly --
            that it could be done.

            Copyright law is an ugly and dangerous subject, and I highly suggest
            you sit down with an international copyright specialist (or two)
            before taking a single step further down this path.

            Despite the original authors and artists being deceased for centuries
            (or millennia), modern museums and trusts are mostly of the
            opinion that if the item is in their possession, they have the
            inalienable right to say how, when and if you can use depictions of
            it. And, more to the heart of the matter, that they can charge you
            for it. Often extravagantly.

            Perhaps this will inspire me to finally write that book review of
            "Medieval Building Techniques" by Gunther Binding; horribly and
            fatally ham-strung by this very problem...

            -Iain of Malagentia
          • Michael Hurley
            ... I would certainly be interested in something like this. Basically, it would be a visual encyclopedia of medieval goods. -- Auf wiedersehen! Michael
            Message 5 of 16 , Mar 23, 2008
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              >In essence, it would be a series of CD-ROMs with
              >images that were sorted by what was shown in them
              >(men's clothing, women's clothing, jewelry, armor,
              >shoes, household goods, furniture, musical
              >instruments, etc.).
              >
              >I'm asking this list because SCAdians like yourselves
              >would, frankly, be a target market for such an idea,
              >since it is aimed at helping the re-enactor visually
              >reverence period items.

              I would certainly be interested in something like this. Basically, it
              would be a visual encyclopedia of medieval goods.
              --
              Auf wiedersehen!
              Michael
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              "..No."

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              -Real Genius
            • julian wilson
              Coming from a very isolated little Island where two SCAdian families are hoping to recruit and start a branch eventually, I d certainly be interested in buying
              Message 6 of 16 , Mar 24, 2008
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                Coming from a very isolated little Island where two SCAdian families are hoping to recruit and start a branch eventually, I'd certainly be interested in buying some.
                Matthew Baker,
                Ile d'Orgeuil,
                Anglo-norman Isles,
                Realm fo Drachenwald


                --- On Sun, 23/3/08, Ingvarr �rrabein <orrabein@...> wrote:

                > From: Ingvarr �rrabein <orrabein@...>
                > Subject: RE: [Authentic_SCA] Research and paintings / illuminations [was: What do you consider essential?]
                > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Sunday, 23 March, 2008, 9:44 PM
                > -----Original Message-----
                >
                > If you gentles will bear with me, can I side track
                > this (now somewhat old) conversation to ask something?
                >
                > <snip>
                >
                > I'm asking this list because SCAdians like
                > yourselves
                > would, frankly, be a target market for such an idea,
                > since it is aimed at helping the re-enactor visually
                > reverence period items.
                >
                > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
                >
                > I think that you would have no problem selling them,
                > especially at $5+/-
                > each. I would buy a few.
                >
                > Ingvarr
                >
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              • Rebecca Klingbeil
                ... Actually, m lord, I am in discussions with a large organization that has fine art images available for licensing. Since many of the projects they provide
                Message 7 of 16 , Mar 24, 2008
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                  --- i_odlin <i_odlin@...> wrote:

                  > --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca
                  > Klingbeil
                  > <bekkamom2001@...> wrote:
                  > > I suppose why I am posting this is: Am I off base?
                  > Is
                  > > this a crazy idea or a truly useful one? Should I
                  > > scrap it now before I invest the time (to find,
                  > > categorize, and sort the images) and money to
                  > creat
                  > > these?
                  >
                  > It would be very useful. It is also very, very
                  > unlikely -- sadly --
                  > that it could be done.
                  >
                  > Copyright law is an ugly and dangerous subject, and
                  > I highly suggest
                  > you sit down with an international copyright
                  > specialist (or two)
                  > before taking a single step further down this path.
                  >
                  > Despite the original authors and artists being
                  > deceased for centuries
                  > (or millennia), modern museums and trusts are mostly
                  > of the
                  > opinion that if the item is in their possession,
                  > they have the
                  > inalienable right to say how, when and if you can
                  > use depictions of
                  > it. And, more to the heart of the matter, that they
                  > can charge you
                  > for it. Often extravagantly.
                  >
                  > Perhaps this will inspire me to finally write that
                  > book review of
                  > "Medieval Building Techniques" by Gunther Binding;
                  > horribly and
                  > fatally ham-strung by this very problem...
                  >
                  > -Iain of Malagentia

                  Actually, m'lord, I am in discussions with a large
                  organization that has fine art images available for
                  licensing. Since many of the projects they provide
                  images for are educational, they are willing to give
                  me a large number of image licenses for a lump sum. I
                  AM following copyright law. I will likely contact
                  specific museums if I need a specific image not
                  available with the larger service I am currently
                  dealing with.

                  I am quite aware of copyright, and intend to make sure
                  I pay for the rights. That the main reason why I
                  cannot do this for free. While the image source I have
                  is willing to cut me a price break because I am a
                  small producer of a very limited run intended mostly
                  for research and education, I do still have to pay for
                  the right to use their images.

                  Sincerely,
                  Leofwynn Marchaunt
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