An illustration of how to post,
- The following is posted in response to a recent question from a new
member. (Original message taken from a post earlier this year.)
--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "wodeford" <wodeford@...> wrote:
THIS is top posting. I am posting at the top of your message. The
reason we request that people not do so is that it is far too easy to
forget and leave an entire message or even a string of messages
dangling behind it. For our members who receive this list in digest
form and would end up having to read the same thing over and over and
over again, this is beyond inconvenient.
--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Catalfamo"
> Will someone please tell me what top-posting is so I don't get in
trouble all the time?
NOW I'm interspersing a comment with a portion of your message. When
you go to reply to a message, you should see
"--- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Yahoo ID" <emailaddress@>
You should also see this symbol ">" at the left of any lines from the
message you're answering.
We appreciate all our members' cooperation. This is a very large list
and we are trying to keep it as user-friendly as we can.
Jehanne de Wodeford, Pacific Time Zone Moderator
> The following is posted in response to a recentHi,
> question from a new member. (Original message
> taken from a post earlier this year.)
I don't know what's up but your 'recent questioner' is feeling like he's
been publicly slapped in the face. He wrote to ask me if it's normal on this
list for new folks to be publicly chastised and then further humiliated with
a public response to a private message.
The man is an easy-going, smart guy. I don't feel that he is over-reacting.
I know that you guys have to mod a lot of messages and it gets tiresome. I'm
afraid that 'tiresome' has gotten larger in the picture than the 'helping a
new member' has so I'm writing to let you know about the impression that
your actions have created on one new member of the list. Right now, he's
weighing whether or not it's worth staying subscribed and asked me if all
SCA members were normally so heavy-handed (my words) towards new folks.
I assured him that it wasn't normal, for us or for you, and asked him to
stay and take part in our conversations. Could you write to him on your own
and let him know that it was just a coincidence of timing? I told him that
we have such a high volume of messages that about once every 6 month your
reminder has to be posted and that he just sparked the automatic response
from you without you thinking of how it would appear to him.
I don't want his experience to be, "I signed up, posted one message, got
used as an example of 'what not to do', wrote a private message that was
left unanswered except to be used as a further example, and decided that the
SCA is just as bad as it was described to me..."
He's too good a man (and a resource) for us to lose over what might have
been just a bad-hair-day for you.
- No, no, NOOOO!!!!!
I *swear by all that is holy* that I cut and pasted the private email addy
in my "to" box.
Oh my god..
I am so very, very sorry.
- As you know, this is a very large, active list. We pick up new members
at a marvelous rate. This is a most excellent thing.
However, as we do try to manage a civilized, spam-free meeting place
in the wilds of Yahoogroups, we do have a few rules that we ask our
members to adhere to. In order to keep our new members apprised of
them, the moderators post periodic reminders of what the list
etiquette is. This has been working very well for quite some time.
We do get questions from our new members asking for clarification of
the rules and I felt it would be helpful to re-post an explanation of
what top-posting is. I cut and pasted text from a message I received
some six months ago as an example.
I specifically did not append this announcement to any recent
correspondence sent privately to moderator staff. There is no way
anyone reading this announcement could use it to identify any member
except for the one whose original public post to the group was used
for illustrative purposes with her knowledge and consent at that time.
I am sorry if anyone was made to feel as if they were singled out for
embarassment. I believed I had taken particular pains not to do so.
I am sorry if anyone feels that my hard working moderator staff is not
doing their job to the utmost of their ability in their limited free
On behalf of the moderators of Authentic_SCA, I would like to wish you
all a peaceful Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
Jehanne de Wodeford,
>The moderators of this list CONSISTENTLY are rude. I cringe every time I see one of these posts. I have objected several times. I moderate several lists myself, and subscribe to numerous others, and have never seen one that has a policy to chastise posters like you do.
>I am sorry if anyone was made to feel as if they were singled out for
>embarassment. I believed I had taken particular pains not to do so.
Please realize that you are driving people away with this attitude. I know that you are all nice people, with time demands, but can't you try harder to phrase things better?
> Please realize that you are driving people away with this attitude.How do you know that they aren't? Remember that they no longer post in
> I know that you are all nice people, with time demands, but can't
> you try harder to phrase things better?
all upper case, and sign their messages. Everyone deserves the benefit
of the doubt, and credit where credit is due.
The moderators of this list are not, as you insist, rude. They are
very direct in enforcing this particular rules of this list. They
continue to spell out the rules of conduct for those new to the list,
as well as for those who forget them.
I have yet to see a posting of this type be rude - in fact having gone
back and re-read more than a few, I find them to be clear, direct and
devoid of emotion.
Slave of Allah, Servant to the Court
- At 5:28 PM -0500 12/21/07, ranvaig@... wrote:
>Please realize that you are driving people away with this attitude.So how would you phrase the same information?
>I know that you are all nice people, with time demands, but can't
>you try harder to phrase things better?
Affrick, mka Sharon, who thinks the moderators are rather polite...
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- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Sharon L. Krossa"
> So how would you phrase the same information?I received a private message this afternoon from this member. She has
chosen to unsubscribe from the list.
Thank you all for your interest. Feel free to post here or contact any
of the moderators with your questions, comments or concerns. That's
what we are here for.
Jehanne de Wodeford
Pacific Time Zone Moderator