Re: [Authentic_SCA] Question by a newbie
- Sounds to me like you are discribing something kind of like a Mahdu(sp?)Last I heard it was and indian or african style spear and ax combo.
A fighter would be able to tell you more.
- --- Voron <voron_20@...> wrote:
>Well to start with you can not use a two handed weapon
> Also I was wondering if unique or unusual
> Weapon are allowed
> because I have a design that I really like but I
> have never seen
> anyone use a weapon like the one I have in mind.
> Basically it's a 7
> 1/2 foot long spear with a thrusting tip on both
> ends and a small ax
> like head on the bottom. kinda like this
> <------------> with each - =
> 1/2 foot and the ax head being a little smaller
> /__\ then my asci
> art makes it look. it would be held so that the left
> side is forward.
with a slashing or smashing head on both ends.
Thrusting on both ends is OK. Check out your kingdom
heavy weapon rules.
As for non combat applications, I know of "hewing
spears" that where used in the "viking period" they
are assumed to have been smiler to the glaive of the
latter periods. There are some references in poetry of
the period to what may be a type of Scandinavian
halberd or polearm but I do not know of any surviving
examples, if any one knows of any I would love to hear
about it. Most viking type personna would have access
to the common weapons; sword, shield, knife/seax,
javelin, spear, bow, hand-axe, large axe (dane axe),
longseax/shortsword. Less common weapons include;
mace, sling, two handed sword, halberd, crossbow.
There are probably variations on each of these but I
would say that is the basics. Welcome to a really fun
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Yes I got that from the Viking Answer lady sorry for the lack of citation.
I am in Misty Highlands in the Æthelmearc Kingdom.
As for the name I wanted to be Viking so I looked up Viking names and
found Dufnial/dufnall and really liked it it wasn't untill after I
realized that I forgot to look up what time and exact area it was from
(I feel kinda stupid about that). As I said I really like it so I was
hoping it was from a period and area I would enjoy for my persona.
Though I may rethink it as a lot of my nonSCA friends that I am
getting into the SCA with me are all doing late era English personas.
I am torn on weather or not I should change I like the viking era but
they and the English didn't really get along too well lol.
Randomly I was told that you can have a chopping head on pole arms up
to 7 1/2 feet long (I will double check this later) and really the
main point of the ax head on the weapon I was designing was to catch
the edge of shields and pull them aside then I could use the but spike
to score my hit. Also I realize that what I am talking about is really
just a 7 1/2 foot long pole ax with a trusting tip on both ends held
backwards. So I guess it is period though used weirdly.
On a different topic I was also considering doing a just after the
fall of Rome era persona (I believe that is as early as it goes though
I would prefer to do a true roman persona). I was wondering if any one
knew a good site to get late roman or just after the fall names for my
persona. I just love the Roman empire and I love the whole Lorica
Segmentata, Short sword and/or sort spear, and shield look.
Grrr so indecisive. Well thanks for the help given already and I am
sorry if I am completely nub sauce.
Dufnall Saxonbane (for now at least)
- PBS program tonight about Japanese Swords - how they are made, etc.
For anyone who may be interested in blacksmithing and soft metal
(Copper, silver, gold, alloys)working techniques that were used in
and are similar to some used in various European locations - in
The sword construction methods are similar to some Viking era swords
in terms of forging and working the metal in a charcoal fire.
Although most Samurai Swords are different in shape to Viking swords,
the ancient Japanese also made straight double edged sword blades (
called "Ken" or "Tsurugi" swords ) that are similar to Viking sword
shapes ( see the film "Rashomon" for an example of such a sword
wielded by the "Bandit" character in the story.) The forging
techniques presented apply to all blade shapes and are useful to know.
I recommend watching the NOVA program tonight on PBS. Channel 9 (
local San Francisco channel) at 8:00
PM is presenting this program , which is about historical Japanese
Swords. This program details how they were made ( blades and hilt and
scabbards and associated fittings) and used.
Nova October 9, 2007
Episode: "Secrets of the Samurai Sword"
The craft of the traditional swordsmiths; samurai fighting school and
the discipline of sword making.
- Dufnall Saxonbane (for now at least) wrote:
>Though I may rethink it as a lot of my nonSCA friends that I am
>getting into the SCA with me are all doing late era English personas.
>I am torn on weather or not I should change I like the viking era but
>they and the English didn't really get along too well lol.
One of the beauties of the SCA is that we do *not* all have the same persona!
Because I, personally, have no interest in the late periods, I used
to agree when people sitting around the camp fire late at night said
things like "I wish the SCA-cut off period was moved up by (insert
some # of centuries here) to get rid of all the late-period stuff".
But then I went to the 21 birthday party of the son of one of the
local SCA folk. Except for the three or four of us who are friends
of his parents, the attendees, all very, very trendy young people
(the boy in question works as a DJ at one of the city's most popular
night-clubs), looked to be cut from the exact same cooky-cutter
pattern. There was simply no variety to the look of any of them.
Ever since that day, I've loved the variety inherent within the SCA.
We may not be recreating any *one* time and place, but to me the
value in not everyone looking the same is more than worth it! So, if
you like the Viking Era, by all means, do what *you* like and don't
worry about what your friends & loved ones choose. (though, if you
all agree to do so, you can have fun interacting with one another
once in a while *as your personas would have*, just be careful not to
over do it!)
--Kareina, in Ynys Fawr, Lochac
- Voron wrote:
>Don't feel bad about that. It happens all of the time, and most people
> >As for the name I wanted to be Viking so I looked up Viking names and
> >found Dufnial/dufnall and really liked it it wasn't untill after I
> >realized that I forgot to look up what time and exact area it was from
> >(I feel kinda stupid about that).
*never* worry about figuring out exactly what time and place their name is
>I am torn on weather or not I should change I like the viking era butIf you like doing Viking then do it and enjoy it. If you are minority
>they and the English didn't really get along too well lol.
persona in your area, it might be worthwhile to see if there are any Viking
mailing lists that you can get on, since you can get the support there that
you aren't getting in your local area. Also, if you continue to do Viking
and do it well, you may find that people in your area develop a interest in
doing Viking stuff.
>Technically speaking, the SCA has no early cut off. How acceptable Roman
> >On a different topic I was also considering doing a just after the
> >fall of Rome era persona (I believe that is as early as it goes though
> > I would prefer to do a true roman persona). I was wondering if any one
> >knew a good site to get late roman or just after the fall names for my
personas are varies depending on where you are, but at least in my area
there are a fair number of people doing Roman with few raised eyebrows. A
good source for Roman names are the articles at the Academy of St. Gabriel,
which can be found here:
If you want to change your persona entirely, that is a fine and valid
choice. On the other hand, it is also possible to have two personas, if you
don't want to give up your Viking life.
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> > I like the viking era butYeah. Not like the English themselves of earlier, current and later eras... :)
> >they and the English didn't really get along too well lol.
- --- Voron <voron_20@...> wrote:
> Randomly I was told that you can have a choppingA single cutting/smashing head is OK, I had got the
> head on pole arms up
> to 7 1/2 feet long (I will double check this later)
> and really the
> main point of the ax head on the weapon I was
> designing was to catch
> the edge of shields and pull them aside then I could
> use the but spike
> to score my hit. Also I realize that what I am
> talking about is really
> just a 7 1/2 foot long pole ax with a trusting tip
> on both ends held
> backwards. So I guess it is period though used
impression that you where looking to have one on each
end of the weapon which is not allowed. You may also
encounter in some places what is referred to as a 90
degree rule, meaning that a two handed weapon can not
be swung threw a 90 degree arc. Check with your
kingdoms conventions of combat.
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- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "henrikofhavn" <duke_henrik@...>
>Thanks for the heads-up, Your Grace. It was well worth a look,
> PBS program tonight about Japanese Swords - how they are made, etc.
especially the metallurgical details.
If you missed it tonight, go to http://www.pbs.org and see when/if
repeat broadcasts are scheduled for your local area.
Jehanne de Wodeford (who is sometimes Saionji no Hanae)
- ... Is there an Oriental Section of the SCA? I am curious because I
have a friend that thought the SCA sounded kinda neat but doesn't want
to join since he is only really interested in Asian Weapons and stuff.
I told him I didn't think that the SCA covers Asian stuff but I of
course could be wrong about that. I is the Noob :p
thanks for all the help btw
Dufnial Saxonbane/Titus Volcatius Lanatus Pallidus (Still torn
about my persona...)
- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Voron" <voron_20@...> wrote:
>This language appears in the Introduction to the Society For Creative
> ... Is there an Oriental Section of the SCA? I am curious because I
> have a friend that thought the SCA sounded kinda neat but doesn't want
> to join since he is only really interested in Asian Weapons and stuff.
> I told him I didn't think that the SCA covers Asian stuff but I of
> course could be wrong about that. I is the Noob :p
Anachronism Organizational Handbook and may be found on page 9 of the
PDF at http://sca.org/docs/govdocs.pdf
"For Society members, most of the world, and all of the centuries
prior to the 17th, can serve as a source for personal research.
However, the further you go from the core of Medieval and Renaissance
Europe, the less the environment we offer will resemble what someone
of your time and country would find natural or homelike. For example,
you can be an Asian or African guest at a European court, but you
cannot expect others to share your special interests - like any
long-term visitor in a foreign land, you are the one who will have to
adapt to the customs you find around you. Since members have free
choice of what areas they will explore, it follows that Society
branches cannot decide to specialize in a specific time and place,
since that would make it hard for members there to pursue their own
interests in other times and places."
I know a number of people with East Asian persona and (split my time
as both Jehanne de Wodeford and Saionji no Hanae).
If your friend is interested in pursing a Japanese persona,
email@example.com and the Tousando forum at
http://tousando.proboards18.com/ may be of interest.
Jehanne de Wodeford
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