Hoping for some help...
- Greetings to you all!
I just joined this group because I am new to the SCA and have found
out that I'm kind of a stickler for authenticity. Or at least knowing
what would be authentic.
I have been sewing garb and am already frustrated about what
is "period." I have found garb online selling for hundreds of dollars
and made out of various poly blends including panne velvet (yuck) I
have questions about what fabrics would be acceptable. Wool and
linen, I know and have made kirtles, cotehardies, sideless surcoats.
(I also made a couple of chemises out of 100% cotton muslin for
On the SCA garb group, they have been talking about using wide-wale
corduroy for cloaks? Would that be period? Now I'm not judgemental
about what people choose to do, wear, etc. I just want to know if it
would have been done and it seems like I get jumped on just for
asking. Or when I ask about using cotton velvet, I just want to KNOW.
- Welcome to the group, Monday Jan.2,2006
I commend your interest in authenticity. Yes, it is frustrating to
see garb for sale that is rather expensive and not as authentic,even
in fabric choice,as one would wish. Wool and linen are always a good
bet. Using muslin for the "practice version" is good too since it's
so much cheaper and if you make mistakes you havne't butchered your 6-
plus-dollar a yard linen.
Since you mention cotehardies and sideless surcoats I have to
believe your interest is earlier-than-Elizabethan. I believe that
curduroy isn't period for,say,the 14th century. I would recommend
instead a good, solid,blankety wool. In my experience this is also
generally more obtainable and cheaper since everyone is usually
looking for finer wool thus leaving the field on heavy wool open to
the rest of us.
Might I also suggest,from experience,that(as cool as it looks)you
make you cloak shorter rather than longer.Say ankle length or above
since although a long,swoopy cloak looks cool it tends to drag in
everything you don't want it to drag in,mud,water,the fire etc. Also
wool is great for cloaks since it won't burn,always a plus around
campfires. I can sympathize with you hunt for period fabrics since
I'm always looking for them, for less,myself. Happy sewing!
> I have found garb online selling for hundreds of dollarsI
> and made out of various poly blends including panne velvet (yuck)
> have questions about what fabrics would be acceptable. Wool andsurcoats.
> linen, I know and have made kirtles, cotehardies, sideless
> (I also made a couple of chemises out of 100% cotton muslin for
- On Jan 2, 2006, at 8:30 AM, Marge Adams wrote:
> Greetings to you all!Hi, welcome to the list. And welcome to the confusing world of
> I just joined this group because I am new to the SCA and have found
> out that I'm kind of a stickler for authenticity. Or at least knowing
> what would be authentic.
> I have been sewing garb and am already frustrated about what
> is "period." I have found garb online selling for hundreds of dollars
> and made out of various poly blends including panne velvet (yuck) I
> have questions about what fabrics would be acceptable. Wool and
> linen, I know and have made kirtles, cotehardies, sideless surcoats.
> (I also made a couple of chemises out of 100% cotton muslin for
authenticity. I think the one thing that helps keep most of us sane
around the topic of historically authentic fabrics is deciding that
the question is foremost a personal one. This re-directs the quest
from asking "Would fabric X be acceptable?" (to whom? who gets to
say it is?) to "Based on my current knowledge of historic practice,
and based on my own goals, priorities, and circumstances, am I
comfortable with choosing to use fabric X for my current purpose?"
If you get into that head-space, then you can stop worrying about
what fabrics other people may be using for the garments they make and/
or sell (which can be a great relief) and focus on both expanding
your knowledge of what was done historically and examining your own
priorities so that you can deal sensibly with any necessary compromises.
> On the SCA garb group, they have been talking about using wide-waleThe problem is, it's rarely a question of simple "yes" or "no".
> corduroy for cloaks? Would that be period? Now I'm not judgemental
> about what people choose to do, wear, etc. I just want to know if it
> would have been done and it seems like I get jumped on just for
> asking. Or when I ask about using cotton velvet, I just want to KNOW.
(Sometimes it is, but rarely.) It's fairly rare for there to be a
single answer to "is X period?" because the specifics can vary
enormously across time and space within the SCA's scope. But even
more complicated is that questions like this generally come down more
to considerations like, "How close is modern fabric X (which I can
get) to historic fabric Y (which I can't get)?" or "If I can't find a
commercially available fabric today with all the characteristics of
the historic fabric I want to emulate, what fabrics are available
that most resemble that fabric and what are the reasons for
compromising in one direction rather than another?" (This is the
perennial problem with trying to emulate historic velvets.)
Heather Rose Jones
- In addition to Tangwystyl's wonderful advice, let me add this: in part, the
fabric that would be correct for your persona depends on time, place, and
societal ranking (I mean of the society you are trying to emulate, not the
A 9th century Pict woman would not have worn silk, but more likely wool. A
10th century Chinese princess would have worn silk. A 16th century English
noble woman would have had clothes of silk, wool, and linen. Time and place
matters for this question.
So where/when are you researching? :)
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- Marge asked:
> Would that be period?Well, the funny thing about the SCA is that it covers a wide range of time
and geography. For example, Fina, who has an early-period persona from
the Isles, wouldn't have traveled to war, as she told us earlier. For
Despina and I, on the other hand, in the first half of the 15th Century on
the Transylvanian-Wallachian border, we probably would have, because of
where the battlefronts were at the time and what it would mean if those
nasty Ottomans overran Brasov (yogurt EVERYWHERE!).
So you see, it's incredibly helpful if we have a general idea of the
when/where that interests you. Of course, that's harder since you're new
and may not have found your area/time of interest yet.
Welcome and good luck. I'll leave the question answering to the
Jeffrey S. Heilveil, Ph.D.
Department of Biological Sciences
North Dakota State University
Fargo, ND 58105
- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Amy Heilveil
>I've decided on late 14th century, hence the cotehardies, etc. Most
> So where/when are you researching? :)
likely England, though I am also interested in the Low Countries.
(However info on that area for the time period is
My 14yo daughter is doing the same period and we have made a lot of
basic stuff. I'm trying to figure out what might be nice for court
or a ball. Also, what might be good for a masqued ball.
(Specifically, masque ideas.)
My sons want to be Mongols which is proving to be a little more
challenging for me. Silk dels for 12 & 13 yo boys? I don't think
so. Linen doesn't seem appropriate, so cotton? Wool? I just don't
know... I am getting closer to actually being ready to cut
something out, finally, esp. with help from the link on this site.
But what to use?
Does that help?