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Re: [Authentic_SCA] Children

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  • gedney@OPTONLINE.NET
    ... just a couple of quick notes about this wheelbarrow, 1) this is not a very comfortable way to take kids anywhere at Pennsic. for either of you. it get s
    Message 1 of 68 , Jul 26, 2005
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      > It might be a little small, but here're plans for a 16th Century
      > Germanwheelbarrow that would definitely let you cart the smallest
      > of them
      > around.
      > (Plans courtesy of Charles Oakley)
      > http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/oakley/wheelbarrow.html
      > Hope this helps.

      just a couple of quick notes about this wheelbarrow,
      1) this is not a very comfortable way to take kids anywhere at
      Pennsic. for either of you. it get's real old in a couple minutes.

      2) if you make this, make it in hardwood, and use at least two
      inches thick at the axles and handles. the axle lasts longer
      that way and the handles can be rounded and made more
      comfortable. In Agricola's orginal, you will see that the axle
      end is indeed much thicker than the load area sides.
      IMHO these were built and used as disposable light barrows
      for getting ore to the ore carts, and not much more.
      As such I dont think they were meant to last, or they'd have
      used a less self-destructive bearing system.
      The recreations certainly dont last.
      Pine ones out of common shelving stock ( 1X12s) can wear
      out in a single Pennsic.

      Definitely think about getting an old radio flyer wagon and
      dressing it up with a sunsade of bent wood and cloth
      or just use your existing strollers.
      At least for THIS year.

      Next year you can take your time and buy a nice wooden
      wagon you can use.

      fortunately, there are haywagons that make regular circuits
      of Pennsic, and that, really is the best way to travel with kids
      at the War.

      Capt Elias
      Dragonship Haven, East
      (Stratford, CT, USA)

      -Renaissance Geek of the Cyber Seas

      - Help! I am being pecked to death by the Ducks of Dilletanteism!
      There are SO damn many more things I want to try in the SCA
      than I can possibly have time for. It's killing me!!!

      Upon the hempen tackle ship-boys climbing;
      Hear the shrill whistle which doth order give
      To sounds confused; behold the threaden sails,
      Borne with the invisible and creeping wind,
      Draw the huge bottoms through the furrow'd sea,
      Breasting the lofty surge: O, do but think
      You stand upon the ravage and behold
      A city on the inconstant billows dancing;
      For so appears this fleet majestical,
      Holding due course to Harfleur.
      - Shakespeare - Henry V, Act III, Prologue
    • Sharon L. Krossa
      ... I believe what prompted the earlier post was not so much the questions being asked as some the answers the questions were getting that were along the lines
      Message 68 of 68 , Aug 2 11:51 PM
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        At 2:33 PM +0000 7/31/05, m d b wrote:
        > > Or maybe this is the group that people write to to have people tell
        >them that it is okay to bring modern stuff to an event and you wont
        >get ostricized for it. But if so, you guys need to change the name
        >to the "Absolution" list. (say three "Hail Marys" and your modern
        >gaget is allowed)
        >I honestly have not been seeing *any* of that recently.

        I believe what prompted the earlier post was not so much the
        questions being asked as some the answers the questions were getting
        that were along the lines of "Just go ahead and do [insert modern
        thing here], it's okay" (full stop), rather than "While of course
        it's okay to just do [insert modern thing here], here are some
        suggestions for more authentic options for you to consider..."

        >So far I've seen queries about how best to tackle a clearly defined
        >problem. I won't go into them, but they are pretty easy to read as:
        >help I have a medical reason for soemthing that is not terribly
        >obvious what is going to work best. Being on this list should give a
        >clue as to how authentic the answers could be.

        Again, it's not so much the questions that are the problem being
        commented on -- it's that some of the answers are *not* taking up the
        clue that the question was asked on "Authentic_SCA", but rather just
        giving absolution not to bother (and so, of course, not actually
        answering the question).

        >This is why I am on this list. To get ideas that I may not have
        >previously thought of and if they are able to be worked around a
        >medical issue I will use it. Or substitude something that isn't

        Exactly -- not to be told "Just go ahead and do the modern thing,
        don't worry about it, don't bother with trying to be more
        authentic/less distracting" with no suggestions of ideas, etc.

        >And as for the answers I have been reading.. They haven't been
        >mollycoddling people who are capable of doing something but don't
        >want to do.

        It's not an issue of "mollycoddling" -- it's an issue of answering
        the question, or rather, of interpreting the question as about
        increasing authenticity/decreasing inauthenticity rather than
        interpreting it as asking for permission/absolution.

        And many answers have answered the question -- but some have not, but
        rather said nothing more than "It's okay to do the modern thing
        you're already doing".

        >There has been understanding expressed to those of us who
        >physically cannot chose the truly authentic path (not that there is
        >any such thing*) If this is considered upsetting to people, then I am
        >sorry. But it is not going to stop me from asking questions about how
        >to best work around a disability that most people cannot see and thus
        >not understand. It's going to be hard enough dealing with acepting
        >things I would have had to change. If people assume I'm looking for
        >validation, then so be it.

        Again, what has prompted the firestorm is not really the questions --
        it is the answers (or rather, non-answers, given the context in which
        the questions were asked). In other words, that some people giving
        answers _have_ assumed (or at least responded as if they assumed)
        that questioners are only looking for validation, rather than
        assuming they really mean it when they ask for suggestions.

        And perhaps you're right -- perhaps we should just accept that some
        people giving answers are going to assume questioners are just asking
        for validation and so don't really mean it when they ask questions on
        Authentic_SCA. As long as there are at least a few who actually
        answer the question asked, the list still serves its purpose.

        Sharon L. Krossa, skrossa-ml@...
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