Weather in Europe (was Hiding Coolers? and Using chests as tables?)
- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "CaelaL" <ecombs79@h...> wrote:
> ...On the other hand, in medieval times the weather in Europe wasWhich is why New York (city at least) could be historically really
> cooler and in Texas cheese melts unless it's on ice. Also, Spain and
> Greece are alot farther north than many realize. Spain is on the
> same parrallel as New York with a similar climate.
miserable in August.
In shoemaking history, there was a sort of wax that is used that has a
very low melting point, and is very sticky and nasty when melted - but
it needs to be for sewing (long story). That's why it was stored in
water in the summer (and in the shoemakers armpit in the winter :) ).
The real question is the continual repetition of the "Europe was
cooler" thing. That really depends on when you are talking about and
comparing it to, and simple annual variation. Before the "Little Ice
Age" started around 1300 there was the "Medieval Warm Period" during
which temperatures more closely resembled the middle 20th century.
Even then, with the exception of brief periods in the the
mid/late-1300s and late 1400s, the temperatures in the "Little Ice
Age" weren't generally that much colder (we're talking yearly averages
here) of fractions of a degree (C) than they were for most of the 20th
Is it overall warmer today than it was then -- absolutely. We have
far more warmer days every year than cooler ones. But I think that
the whole things were cooler then may still be somewhat misleading
(and is frequently used as an excuse not to bother with authenticity).
- A few random thoughts on fish days....
It isn't actually necessary to assume that because
today is a Friday in 2005, it corresponds to Friday in
1275 or whatever (in fact, because of the calendar
issues, it probably doesn't....)
When did Saturday become a day of abstinence in the
West? In the early Church, Wednesday and Friday were
the fast days, as they still are in the Orthodox
Church. So whether you abstain from meat on Saturday
depends not only on where in Europe but when.
Was a fast day counted from midnight to midnight, as
now, or from Vespers or sundown the night before?
A pious Christian should not have been attending a
party during Lent (or the Nativity or Pentecost fasts)
anyhow. If he did, though, the hospitality rule would
supercede the fasting: you eat what you are served,
not put the host to extra trouble to accommodate your
fasting. And if you happen to be the host, and others
in your party are not fasting,well, interpretations
vary. Ask your priest. And then too, if you were
travelling the fasting requirements would be relaxed
to some extent.
--- msgilliandurham <msgilliandurham@...> wrote:
>I believe that is correct for Western Europe in later
> Dairy products and eggs, as far as I can figure out,
> were allowed
> on "fish days" except in Lent, and maybe Advent. I'm
> still trying to
> figure that out -- anybody have a good source?
period, based on the recipes for "tarts in Ember Day"
which include eggs and dairy. (Ember days by
definition fall on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.) I
seem also to recall references in cookbooks to "fish
days not in Lent" which imply that eggs and dairy
would be acceptable.
So there are plenty of ways not to fast during events
while being a pious and observant medieval Roman
Catholic. (Or Eastern Orthodox.) If you need to
observe the fasting regulations mundanely, well,
that's beyond the limits of this list, although I
would be interested in discussing it offlist with
anyone who has dealt with the issue.
That said, an authentic Ember Day feast would be a lot
of fun, at least once.
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