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Re: [Authentic_SCA] Smithing

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  • Beth and Bob Matney
    Thanks for the info. Would you ask the blacksmith (the next time you see him) if he could remember anything further about the location of the Saxon forge? I ll
    Message 1 of 2 , Apr 24, 2005
      Thanks for the info. Would you ask the blacksmith (the next time you see
      him) if he could remember anything further about the location of the Saxon
      forge?

      I'll check out the Bruegel and the Medieval Craftsman Series.

      Beth

      At 12:11 AM 4/24/2005, you wrote:
      >One of our local blacksmiths told me at the renfair yesterday that a
      >couple years ago a Saxon forge was found somewhere in England that had a
      >mixture of coal and charcoal (which is what he is using currently), but
      >that was all the information he gave me.
      >
      >You can find a double bellows (I think) in Bruegel's 1620 painting of
      >Venus Visiting the Forge of Vulcan (along with lots of interesting
      >tools... like a wheeling jenny and some spring powered 'vice grips'). The
      >Medieval Craftsman Series (Toronto U Press?) Armorers book has some shown
      >as well.
      >
      >Alcyoneus
      >
      >
      >Message: 2
      >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:46:16 -0500
      >From: Beth and Bob Matney
      >Subject: Re: plans for a portable forge from the 15th century?
      >
      >
      >I would also like to find such. De Re Metallica by Georgius
      >Agricola (1556) has drawings for bellows (pg 365 is particularly good,
      >Dover ed., pg 410 has an interesting round "tube" bellows) and masonry
      >forges, but I could not find any portable forges in the illustrations..I
      >could not find any from The Pirotechnia by Vannoccio Biringuccio (1540) or
      >On Divers Arts by Theophilus (Rugerus) either.
      >
      >The only other period reference for metalworking that I am aware of is the
      >Mappae Clavicula, but I have not examined it.
      >
      >I also checked several of the Ptt Rivers monographs and British Museum
      >Occasional Papers on smelting and metallurgy.
      >
      >The closest that I could find to a "portable" forge was a shallow hole in
      >the ground (filled with charcoal) with an air-hole leading from the bottom
      >to the surface for a blow-pipe or bellows.
      >
      >Hopefully someone will find a manuscript illumination with one.
      >
      >On another (related) issue, does anyone have documentation on the earliest
      >use of coal in smithing (Western Europe)?
      >
      >Beth of Walnutvale
      >
      >At 11:53 AM 4/22/2005, you wrote:
      >
      > > > Hello all.
      > > > Does anyone have plans for a portable forge from the 15th century.
      > >
      > >hunh...
      > >I'll check my sources tonight when I get home.
      > >
      > >I've got a couple likely sources, Agricola's De Re Metallica seems the
      > >most likely (though it is somewhat later - mid 16th century).
      > >
      > >
      > >Capt Elias
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