Religion at events
- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Walpole"
> ...Ok yes I can see the point and the implication that religionPersonally, I maintain that trying to re-create the middle ages
>(especially Catholicism, but neo paganism can't possibly cause
> offense*) is bad that you can find in a few SCA circles is
> unpleasant and offensive. But I also dislike the concept of people
> making fun of a saint or associating that saint with people who are
> intentionally rude.
without religion is like trying to re-create the 20th century without
television. It may fit a particular agenda, but it's not accurate.
My suspicon is that the folks who are most likely to associate the bad
behavior of inept or rude authenticists with anything else, are most
likely going to link them to everyone else wearing the badge, but not
the saint (unless we were to go with "St. Torquemada" or something
clearly agressive). Honestly, most of them don't think the saints are
really real anyway.
If I may suggest "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".
> *NB I do not have a problem with neo pagans I have a problem withSpeaking as a mundane *ahem* neo-Pagan, I don't think that
> people who believe any particular religion deserves special status
> as the only religion that should be tolerated at SCA events (though
> it's not a hugely pervasive attitude it does exist). I'm happy for
> you to go ahead and recreate your persona's religion, as long as you
> acknowledge my right to do the same.
neo-Paganism has any place in a re-creation of history (with some very
few exceptions, such as pre-conversion Norse, and so on). There are
some truly cool ways to deal with the veneration of Natura within the
context of medieval Christianity, but it does require some research.
I will also point out that this is the reason that I am so sympathetic
to people being offended by misuse of active religious symbols --
apparently I've offended some Christians just making Diarmaid a
Catholic when I'm not even Christian, as though I had any other choice
in the matter, if I'm going to do historical accuracy.
I am familiar with the problem you relate, having watched it happen
for years (and my wife, who is a Christian, get slammed by that
situation). The problem really boils down again to one of
expectation, perception, and mythology. The mythology is that
"Christianity" and "The Church" put down the neo-Pagan ancestral
religions, burned witches, etc. Therefore anything pushing
Christianity must be doing more of the same (this is not helped by the
fact that most people who become pagans left their earlier religion
because they were unhappy about it. I did not, which is why I have no
problems with Christianity one way or another - some people who claim
to be Christian seem to have missed the nice man's point, but that's
not the fault of the religion, or even necessarily the social
structures within the context of the religion).
Normally, my suggestion would be the same for this as it is for the
authenticity thing (for the same reasons too :) ) - identify
yourselves to each other - for community if nothing else. I'd suggest
the obvious, but the medieval church apparently frowned on individual
display of crosses except in specific cases. You MIGHT consider at
events, say on Sunday morning, spread it around that there will be
some sort of communal time for practicing Christians (involving
whatever you all want to do - prayer, brunch, something). Have it
someplace set off from the bulk. That way you can at least not feel
like you're by yourself in this. It would make it easier for you.
Don't push them, and you'll have no reason to feel pushed by them. If
we're going to have to live together, we're going to have to learn to
accept each other, and that goes both ways.
- --- In Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Cynthia J Ley <cley@j...>
> Another mildly amusing story:
> A friend and I were at an event one day running the A&S pavilion
> lady of our acquaintance came up to us and said, "You know, I'vebeen
> watching you two for months, and you know, you're the bestChristians I
> know."this to
> We were both practicing Wiccans at the time, and gently explained
> her.That's too funny! Just goes to show that treating people with
respect and kindness knows no "religious" boundaries.