Re: [Authentic_SCA] SCA Sumptuary Laws and Customs vs. Authenticity
- In a message dated 9/2/2004 5:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<<I'm not sure. My impression is that the sashes are primarily red, and
I've noticed non-European persona knights and squires wearing sashes
If I remember corectly, you were discussing a sash worn aroun the waist
instead of a belt, rather than a shoulder to hip sash. I'll assume so from here on
<< I'm currently less concerned with the letter of the law (or
custom) and more with how people will perceive it. My impression is that
most people see "red thingy around waist" and think "squire", but this may
not be true.>>
While most people may see it that way, in most kingdoms red for a squire's
belt is not a matter of law, but only of custom, whereas the white belt for
knights is reserved by Society law. There are some areas, parts of Atlantia for
examples, where squire's belts are sometimes blue due to the influence of a
particular household that uses that.
That said, if you don't make it actually scarlet, there shouldn't be a
problem. I've been wearing a thin belt of a red-brown shade for quite a few years.
The merchant who sold it to me cautioned me that some might mistake it for a
squire's belt, but I've only had one or two people even ask me.
If it's only custom, not law, and it goes against authenticity, I say go
ahead and be authentic, just be prepared to explain to people why you are wearing
what you are wearing and why it's not "against the rules".
- --- bronwynmgn@... wrote:
> While most people may see it that way, in mostFor awhile, I thought that apprentices' belts were
> kingdoms red for a squire's
> belt is not a matter of law, but only of custom,
> whereas the white belt for
> knights is reserved by Society law. There are some
> areas, parts of Atlantia for
> examples, where squire's belts are sometimes blue
> due to the influence of a
> particular household that uses that.
typically blue, thanks to a friend who is apprenticed
to the matriarch of that same household. (At least,
I'm guessing it's the same household.) It made sense
to me at the time: "Her apprentice belt is blue.
Therefore, most-if-not-all apprentice belts--at least
in Atlantia--are blue." :) My friend corrected my
faulty assumption, telling me it's a household custom.
Grainne ingen Lugdach
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- cathal@... wrote:
> I honestly think you're safe with the sash.::Margaret pays obeisance to the visage of Cathal, and lays a small
> Anybody bugs you you just refer them to me.
> Capt Elias
> Or if you're down Meridies-way just refer them over to me.
> I enjoy the application of the occasional come-uppance especially
> if sumptuary laws appear in the argument...
ceramic figurine of a Siamese in a bowl before it::
Now, he's in south central Meridies, so if you happen to be in North
Meridies without him nearby, you send 'em my way. I'm not as gentle as
some ladies when it comes to suffering the willingly ignorant, though I
have some sympathetic understanding of the socially inept. I'll be happy
to tell them my own story and viewpoint and then endeavor to show them
the period way to apologize.
Look, the fact of the matter is, the rules say what they say. If someone
wants to get offended by something outside the realm of those rules,
they will do so whether or not the facts of history back you up. In the
end the best path for your authenticity may be to work to change your
Kingdom's/Principality's/local area's viewpoint to understand that this
is period and doesn't violate the sumptuary laws - that it's just a
custom that arose from what could be some poor drunk fool's
interpretation of those laws to a newbie who stayed around and still
spouts it as Gospel. The SCA is young enough that some customs are still
ugly enough to need their faces changed every once in a while. You might
butt heads a bit with some folks, outside of those who might balk at
first, but then move on. With those who *must* argue about it and insist
on their ways (while not wearing a crown), just part ways knowing that
you're both right, and likely, you're both wrong as well, on some level
and in the other's opinion. Eventually, people will either A) accept
your "new" tradition, or B) decide that you're just a weirdo who insists
on following the law to the letter and applying your "creativeness" to
the "anachronism." Well, there's C), but C) can be appealed.