Terminology quibbles Re: Knitted Items in 12th-15th cent
> olive kelly greenI'm sorry, I don't understand what color this can be.
I thought olive is a muted yellow-green; kelly green is screaming bright
fairly true green, possibly slightly yellow.
> > I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. The first true knitting known wasThe earliest piece which is definately knitting & well-dated is 11th century
> > around 9-10c in the middle east and it spread thru Europe by the 12 or
> > This is off the top my head without checking dates.
Dorothy Burnam (of Cut my Cote fame amongst reenactors) has a paper where
she traced the thread path of the earlier 'knit' pieces (earlier as in time
of the Roman Empire) & showed them to be universally nalbinding. I could
dig up the reference if there's any interest.
> > Many sources confuse knitting with nalbinding, which isIn some needle-looping, the Only difference in in how the textile is
> much older, but can look very much like knitting.
increased & decreased, which is how D. Burnam made her point.
> In retrospect, I may have mistated Felkin ( I read him a year ago ), orI would say all those techniques are looped rather than knotted, although
> Felkin may have been lumping together the various methods of textile
> production through knotting a single yarn (knitting,
> nalbinding, crochet, etc).
there are probably versions of nalbinding at least that end up knotted.
Knitting & crochet are definately not knotted in any form I can think of.
i do see your temporizing 'may have been'
> I usually remember these things quite well, but I have been absorbingnot word-perfect off the top of his head.
> prodigious amounts of information since I joined this list,
> and it would be no surprise to find that I have misfiled a few things.
> Capt Elias
sad sigh, shakes head. tkk-tkk-tkk.
Ann in CT, also off-hand