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  • arrahateck
    Here are some thoughts to ponder in reference to aquiring or upgrading period gear and clothing. In nearly every case, I advise against halfway measures. The
    Message 1 of 28 , May 29, 2002
      Here are some thoughts to ponder in reference to aquiring or
      upgrading period gear and clothing. In nearly every case, I advise
      against halfway measures. The expense and time (I believe that our
      time is as valuable, if not more so than our money) spent on using
      non-period materials to make other non-period gear "look more
      period", would be better spent on acquiring clothing and gear of the
      proper materials. It takes patience and restraint. I wish I could
      say that I have practiced what I preach. Unfortunately for me, I
      have only recently begun applying this philosophy. I shudder to
      think of how much linen and wool clothing of the proper cut, and
      other proper gear I could have gotten with what I spent on junk.

      I am looking at the SCA from the outside, so please correct me if
      this next observation is incorrect. It appears to me that you will
      not be excluded from any SCA event if your clothing and equipment is
      not completely authentic. If that is the case, I see no reason to
      make any attempt to hide or modify any modern equipment you may be
      using now. Instead redirect your resources into making or acquiring
      the proper equipment. When you do get a period item, simply stop
      using the modern equivilant. Over time, usually a couple of years or
      more, your kit or camp will become more and more authentic.

      More and more thoughts are coming up as I type. I see this becoming
      rather long, and I am supposed to be outside working on making the
      honeydew list a little shorter. I think I'll stop for now, and
      change my format into a series of shorter posts.

      Take care,
      Pete
    • marshamclean@rogers.com
      I agree, and also wish I d been doing this all along. It is certainly little more work to make a period pavillion than it is to make a fake to go over a dome
      Message 2 of 28 , May 29, 2002
        I agree, and also wish I'd been doing this all along. It is certainly little more work to make a period pavillion than it is to make a fake to go over a dome home. Is /is/ somewhat more expensive. I have just discovered art canvas - $10 cdn per yard - 10 feet wide. I will be using this and waterproofing/flameproofing it myself for my next pavillion. I certainly need something for weeked events - my Pennsic pavillion is too big for 2 nights, and other than that it's a very intimate dome (they say it's 6x6...).

        Madinia
        >
        > From: "arrahateck" <p_mckee3@...>
        > Date: 2002/05/29 Wed PM 12:36:49 EDT
        > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [Authentic_SCA] A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.
        >
        > Here are some thoughts to ponder in reference to aquiring or
        > upgrading period gear and clothing. In nearly every case, I advise
        > against halfway measures. The expense and time (I believe that our
        > time is as valuable, if not more so than our money) spent on using
        > non-period materials to make other non-period gear "look more
        > period", would be better spent on acquiring clothing and gear of the
        > proper materials. It takes patience and restraint. I wish I could
        > say that I have practiced what I preach. Unfortunately for me, I
        > have only recently begun applying this philosophy. I shudder to
        > think of how much linen and wool clothing of the proper cut, and
        > other proper gear I could have gotten with what I spent on junk.
        >
        > I am looking at the SCA from the outside, so please correct me if
        > this next observation is incorrect. It appears to me that you will
        > not be excluded from any SCA event if your clothing and equipment is
        > not completely authentic. If that is the case, I see no reason to
        > make any attempt to hide or modify any modern equipment you may be
        > using now. Instead redirect your resources into making or acquiring
        > the proper equipment. When you do get a period item, simply stop
        > using the modern equivilant. Over time, usually a couple of years or
        > more, your kit or camp will become more and more authentic.
        >
        > More and more thoughts are coming up as I type. I see this becoming
        > rather long, and I am supposed to be outside working on making the
        > honeydew list a little shorter. I think I'll stop for now, and
        > change my format into a series of shorter posts.
        >
        > Take care,
        > Pete
        >
        >
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      • marshamclean@rogers.com
        Out of curiosity, and I mean this in a curious way, not as a challenge, why are you on this list if you re not SCA? How did you find it and in what way is it
        Message 3 of 28 , May 29, 2002
          Out of curiosity, and I mean this in a curious way, not as a challenge, why are you on this list if you're not SCA? How did you find it and in what way is it of interest to you? It's great that we are drawing people from outside of our very limited interest group, but I wonder why...

          Madinia
          >
          > From: "arrahateck" <p_mckee3@...>
          > Date: 2002/05/29 Wed PM 12:36:49 EDT
          > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [Authentic_SCA] A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.
          >
          > Here are some thoughts to ponder in reference to aquiring or
          > upgrading period gear and clothing. In nearly every case, I advise
          > against halfway measures. The expense and time (I believe that our
          > time is as valuable, if not more so than our money) spent on using
          > non-period materials to make other non-period gear "look more
          > period", would be better spent on acquiring clothing and gear of the
          > proper materials. It takes patience and restraint. I wish I could
          > say that I have practiced what I preach. Unfortunately for me, I
          > have only recently begun applying this philosophy. I shudder to
          > think of how much linen and wool clothing of the proper cut, and
          > other proper gear I could have gotten with what I spent on junk.
          >
          > I am looking at the SCA from the outside, so please correct me if
          > this next observation is incorrect. It appears to me that you will
          > not be excluded from any SCA event if your clothing and equipment is
          > not completely authentic. If that is the case, I see no reason to
          > make any attempt to hide or modify any modern equipment you may be
          > using now. Instead redirect your resources into making or acquiring
          > the proper equipment. When you do get a period item, simply stop
          > using the modern equivilant. Over time, usually a couple of years or
          > more, your kit or camp will become more and more authentic.
          >
          > More and more thoughts are coming up as I type. I see this becoming
          > rather long, and I am supposed to be outside working on making the
          > honeydew list a little shorter. I think I'll stop for now, and
          > change my format into a series of shorter posts.
          >
          > Take care,
          > Pete
          >
          >
          >
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        • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
          The things that you say are true, Pete. One is not expelled from an SCA event for carrying around stuff or having in one s camp stuff that is not period
          Message 4 of 28 , May 29, 2002
            The things that you say are true, Pete. One is not expelled from an SCA
            event for carrying around stuff or having in one's camp stuff that is not
            period correct or does not look period correct.

            However

            An attempt should be made (this is personal opinion) to cover any and all
            such objects. If you can't live without your cooler, toss a nice piece of
            brocade fabric or even a cheap piece of plain cotton fabric over the top -
            make it appear to be a table.

            Going slowly and replacing stuff is the only way to do it within budget
            constraints that most people have. Yes, buying the good stuff first time
            out does cost more and you have to save a little longer, but it's worth it
            in the long run, as it won't need to be replaced as quickly or as often as
            that which is not (authentic or correct, linen and wood-rather than
            plywood- come to mind as examples).

            As for covering nylon tents in an attempt to make them look more period,
            just make a tent. It's not that expensive. You can get sunforger canvas
            for cheap - look on the medieval encampments list, I did and I got it for
            $2 per yard.

            Smiles,
            Despina
          • marshamclean@rogers.com
            Nope. It s the warehouse for a local chain art supply. Try art supply houses in your area. Madinia ... cdn per yard - 10 feet wide. I will be using this and
            Message 5 of 28 , May 29, 2002
              Madinia wrote:
               
              >I have just discovered art canvas - $10 cdn per yard - 10 feet wide.  I will be using this >and waterproofing/flameproofing it myself for my next pavillion
               
              Is there an online source for this canvas?  We desperately need a smaller tent for weekend events as well.
               
              Mairghread

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            • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
              ... Go back and look at his intro, message 20427. By way of introduction, I am Pete McKee. I am an interpretive specialist at a living history museum in
              Message 6 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                At 12:43 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                >Out of curiosity, and I mean this in a curious way, not as a challenge,
                >why are you on this list if you're not SCA? How did you find it and in
                >what way is it of interest to you? It's great that we are drawing people
                >from outside of our very limited interest group, but I wonder why...

                Go back and look at his intro, message 20427.

                "By way of introduction, I am Pete McKee. I am an interpretive
                specialist at a living history museum in Virginia. Our site depicts
                life in the second succesful English settlement in the New World.
                The Citie of Henricus was occupied from 1611 to 1622. That's
                probably a rather late period for most of your interests, but, many
                of the earlier technologies and social customs were still in use
                >during the early 17th century, hence my interest in your expertise."


                Cu Drag,
                Despina
              • marshamclean@rogers.com
                Thanks for the sunforger tip! That scotched my art canvas idea. Better in the long run! Madinia
                Message 7 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                  Thanks for the sunforger tip! That scotched my art canvas idea. Better in the long run!

                  Madinia
                  >
                  > From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@...>
                  > Date: 2002/05/29 Wed PM 12:47:31 EDT
                  > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.
                  >
                  > The things that you say are true, Pete. One is not expelled from an SCA
                  > event for carrying around stuff or having in one's camp stuff that is not
                  > period correct or does not look period correct.
                  >
                  > However
                  >
                  > An attempt should be made (this is personal opinion) to cover any and all
                  > such objects. If you can't live without your cooler, toss a nice piece of
                  > brocade fabric or even a cheap piece of plain cotton fabric over the top -
                  > make it appear to be a table.
                  >
                  > Going slowly and replacing stuff is the only way to do it within budget
                  > constraints that most people have. Yes, buying the good stuff first time
                  > out does cost more and you have to save a little longer, but it's worth it
                  > in the long run, as it won't need to be replaced as quickly or as often as
                  > that which is not (authentic or correct, linen and wood-rather than
                  > plywood- come to mind as examples).
                  >
                  > As for covering nylon tents in an attempt to make them look more period,
                  > just make a tent. It's not that expensive. You can get sunforger canvas
                  > for cheap - look on the medieval encampments list, I did and I got it for
                  > $2 per yard.
                  >
                  > Smiles,
                  > Despina
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • Becky Day
                  ... Is there an online source for this canvas? We desperately need a smaller tent for weekend events as well. Mairghread
                  Message 8 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                    Madinia wrote:
                     
                    >I have just discovered art canvas - $10 cdn per yard - 10 feet wide.  I will be using this >and waterproofing/flameproofing it myself for my next pavillion
                     
                    Is there an online source for this canvas?  We desperately need a smaller tent for weekend events as well.
                     
                    Mairghread
                  • marshamclean@rogers.com
                    AH!! Many thanks! For some reason I don t have access to the archives. Cool! Now we can pick his brain! Madinia
                    Message 9 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                      AH!! Many thanks! For some reason I don't have access to the archives. Cool! Now we can pick his brain!

                      Madinia
                      >
                      > From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@...>
                      > Date: 2002/05/29 Wed PM 12:50:34 EDT
                      > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.
                      >
                      > At 12:43 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                      > >Out of curiosity, and I mean this in a curious way, not as a challenge,
                      > >why are you on this list if you're not SCA? How did you find it and in
                      > >what way is it of interest to you? It's great that we are drawing people
                      > >from outside of our very limited interest group, but I wonder why...
                      >
                      > Go back and look at his intro, message 20427.
                      >
                      > "By way of introduction, I am Pete McKee. I am an interpretive
                      > specialist at a living history museum in Virginia. Our site depicts
                      > life in the second succesful English settlement in the New World.
                      > The Citie of Henricus was occupied from 1611 to 1622. That's
                      > probably a rather late period for most of your interests, but, many
                      > of the earlier technologies and social customs were still in use
                      > >during the early 17th century, hence my interest in your expertise."
                      >
                      >
                      > Cu Drag,
                      > Despina
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                    • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                      ... much better. Please remember that I don t get a kickback for this, I m just a happy customer. From the Medieval encampments list posted by His Grace
                      Message 10 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                        At 12:51 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                        >Thanks for the sunforger tip! That scotched my art canvas idea. Better
                        >in the long run!

                        much better. Please remember that I don't get a kickback for this, I'm
                        just a happy customer.

                        From the Medieval encampments list posted by His Grace Cariadoc:

                        I've done business with Itex and like them. They have high quality
                        tent canvas (sunforger with all the usual treatments) at a very
                        reasonable price. And they are friendly and helpful people.

                        I suspect the remnants you are referring to are partial rolls of that
                        canvas. They also have "remnants" at much more than 30% off--prices
                        like a dollar to two dollars a yard for serious canvas.
                        The remnant prices are for the whole piece, which is likely to be at
                        least fifty yards and may be in the hundreds. They are colored. Itex
                        generally can't tell you in much detail what treatments (mildew
                        resistance, fire resistance, etc.) a remnant roll has had, although
                        the person you talk to may be able to give an informed guess. And
                        they will send you a sample. They will also send you a list of
                        remnants, but it may or may not correspond to what they currently
                        have in stock, since it doesn't seem to be revised very often, so you
                        may do better by just talking to the person at the other end of the
                        phone about what you need and having him see what they have.

                        From Despina:

                        Itex is also where I got my sunforger canvas. I got a remnant roll with
                        over 50 yards on it for under $200. We still have some of it after making
                        the walls for our ger (not a yurt, thank you, it's called a ger from where
                        I come) - and no, I'm not parting with it. We still use it for sunshades
                        and such. Bob Shaver was the salesman with whom I dealt and I highly
                        recommend him.
                        His email was BShaver@... I assume it's still the same.

                        Itex occasionally has an overstock of some colors (like hot pink) and cut
                        the prices on that as well. It never hurts to ask.

                        Smiles,
                        Despina

                        mka Amy Hornburg Heilveil



                        Itex, in Aurora Colorado. Call the toll free info number (1-800-555-1212)
                        for the toll free number. Tom Feist is the contact person, and he knows all
                        about the SCA, and was very helpful on the phone. His Grace Duke Cariadoc
                        shared his source for good cheap canvas with me, and I called them
                        yesterday. Their prices sound wonderful--to give you an idea: 60" wide
                        khaki canvas 10 oz for 2.25 per yard 60" wide natural canvas for a bit over
                        $3 (my notes are at work).The catch is the fabric is actually a remnant,
                        (albeit a huge one) and that you buy the entire bolt, not by the yard. The
                        bolts vary, and they will be able to tell you how many yards are on the
                        bolt you are buying before you purchase one. It costs about $30-$40 to ship
                        a bolt UPS in the United States. Most bolts are between 80 and 200 yards,
                        and you can put a request in for a particular color, fabric, weight, bolt
                        size, etc. All this information is per the company.
                      • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                        ... We have been. Slowly and methodically so he won t catch on to us. Shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! Despina
                        Message 11 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                          At 12:55 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                          >AH!! Many thanks! For some reason I don't have access to the
                          >archives. Cool! Now we can pick his brain!

                          We have been. Slowly and methodically so he won't catch on to
                          us. Shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          Despina
                        • marshamclean@rogers.com
                          8^x
                          Message 12 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                            8^x
                            >
                            > From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@...>
                            > Date: 2002/05/29 Wed PM 01:03:18 EDT
                            > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: Re: [Authentic_SCA] A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.
                            >
                            > At 12:55 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                            > >AH!! Many thanks! For some reason I don't have access to the
                            > >archives. Cool! Now we can pick his brain!
                            >
                            > We have been. Slowly and methodically so he won't catch on to
                            > us. Shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            >
                            > Despina
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                          • rowen_g
                            ... Right - I certainly wasn t suggesting that curtain brocade tent covers were the last word in camping equipment, just mentioning something
                            Message 13 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                              --- In Authentic_SCA@y..., "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@u...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > Going slowly and replacing stuff is the only way to do it within
                              >budget constraints that most people have.
                              <large snips>

                              Right - I certainly wasn't suggesting that curtain brocade tent covers
                              were the last word in camping equipment, just mentioning something
                              that was useful on an *extremely* tight budget 15-20 years ago. Nor
                              would I want anyone to feel they shouldn't attend a camping event
                              because their gear "wasn't good enough." :)

                              I've been contemplating upgrading my equipment with an eye to camping
                              again in the future - it's been about 12 years - & trying to get
                              around the current budget constraints.... hmm, wonder if some of that
                              spare heavy-ish cotton twill I have about 15 yards of could be
                              sufficiently weather-proofed...? (prob'ly not, eh?)

                              Rowen
                            • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                              ... Probably for an event or two and then you d have to re-proof it. Part of the beauty of canvas is that when it gets wet, it comes together, and that s what
                              Message 14 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                At 06:14 PM 5/29/2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                >I've been contemplating upgrading my equipment with an eye to camping
                                >again in the future - it's been about 12 years - & trying to get
                                >around the current budget constraints.... hmm, wonder if some of that
                                >spare heavy-ish cotton twill I have about 15 yards of could be
                                >sufficiently weather-proofed...? (prob'ly not, eh?)

                                Probably for an event or two and then you'd have to re-proof it. Part of
                                the beauty of canvas is that when it gets wet, it comes together, and
                                that's what sheds the water. Putting chemical water-proofing on some types
                                of materials just make is so that the fabric *can't* come together and the
                                fabric will leak - even with the water-proofing.

                                My suggestion is always to take a piece of what you want to use in this
                                manner, treat it, get it wet from one side and see how it holds
                                up. Sometimes you can be pleasantly surprised.

                                Smiles,
                                Despina
                              • wodeford
                                ... Been there, done that, my friend. Picked up one of Gaius favorite shirts to wash it yesterday and went, Ick. Felt like a heavy poly- cotton to me. Looks
                                Message 15 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                  --- In Authentic_SCA@y..., "arrahateck" <p_mckee3@y...> wrote:
                                  > I shudder to think of how much linen and wool clothing of the
                                  > proper cut, and other proper gear I could have gotten with what I
                                  > spent on junk.
                                  Been there, done that, my friend. Picked up one of Gaius' favorite
                                  shirts to wash it yesterday and went, "Ick." Felt like a heavy poly-
                                  cotton to me. Looks like I've got to find some linen for summer
                                  tunics and shirts for him. ;->
                                  >
                                  > I am looking at the SCA from the outside, so please correct me if
                                  > this next observation is incorrect. It appears to me that you will
                                  > not be excluded from any SCA event if your clothing and equipment
                                  > is not completely authentic. If that is the case, I see no reason
                                  > to make any attempt to hide or modify any modern equipment you may
                                  > be using now.
                                  Case in point: Gaius has just purchased for us a lovely canvas
                                  pavilion and built a rope bed. Stove, cooler, etc. are kept out of
                                  sight if at all possible. We're still working on assembling our camp
                                  furnishings, but not getting ulcers over the fact that a Coleman
                                  chair with a fabric cover is still a Coleman chair. (Though I was
                                  eyeing the child sized Glastonbury chair I saw this weekend and
                                  wondering how hard they would be to make.)

                                  None of us spring fully formed from the head of Zeus - it's a
                                  learning process - or a journey.

                                  Jehanne de Wodeford
                                • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                                  ... That being the case..... he he he ..... take a walk over here for some furniture stuff as well as how to build it.
                                  Message 16 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                    >(Though I was
                                    >eyeing the child sized Glastonbury chair I saw this weekend and
                                    >wondering how hard they would be to make.)
                                    >
                                    >None of us spring fully formed from the head of Zeus - it's a
                                    >learning process - or a journey.

                                    That being the case..... he he he ..... take a walk over here for some
                                    furniture stuff as well as how to build
                                    it. http://www.docs.uu.se/~arnoldp/SCA/Articles/2001/wood/

                                    and here:

                                    http://65.102.22.82/tents/furniture.htm

                                    Smiles,
                                    and as Charles Oakley says, "have fun, make stuff",

                                    Despina de la temptress
                                  • Medb ingen Adomnain
                                    Despina! Where do you get all this neat info?!? I don t have enough hours in the day as it is.... Medb, getting out a tool to use for brain picking...
                                    Message 17 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                      Despina! Where do you get all this neat info?!? I don't have enough hours
                                      in the day as it is....

                                      Medb, getting out a tool to use for brain picking...

                                      _________
                                      That being the case..... he he he ..... take a walk over here for some
                                      furniture stuff as well as how to build
                                      it. http://www.docs.uu.se/~arnoldp/SCA/Articles/2001/wood/

                                      and here:

                                      http://65.102.22.82/tents/furniture.htm

                                      Smiles,
                                      and as Charles Oakley says, "have fun, make stuff",

                                      Despina de la temptress



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                                    • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                                      ... I do stuff. I hope that means it s helpful. Smiles, Despina
                                      Message 18 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                        At 03:05 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                                        >Despina! Where do you get all this neat info?!? I don't have enough hours
                                        >in the day as it is....
                                        >
                                        >Medb, getting out a tool to use for brain picking...

                                        I do stuff. <shrug> I hope that means it's helpful. <grin>

                                        Smiles,
                                        Despina
                                      • Medb ingen Adomnain
                                        Goodness yes! This is the most helpful list I am on, I think..... Medb ... From: Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
                                        Message 19 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                          Goodness yes!  This is the most helpful list I am on, I think.....
                                           
                                          Medb
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:17 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] furniture was: A suggestion

                                          At 03:05 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                                          >Despina!  Where do you get all this neat info?!?  I don't have enough hours
                                          >in the day as it is....
                                          >
                                          >Medb, getting out a tool to use for brain picking...

                                          I do stuff. <shrug>  I hope that means it's helpful.  <grin>

                                          Smiles,
                                          Despina






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                                        • Tom Knighton
                                          Helpful?? It s gonna cost me a fortune now just to do all the cool stuff I ve seen so far :o) Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his
                                          Message 20 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                            Helpful?? It's gonna cost me a fortune now just to do all the cool stuff I've seen so far :o)
                                             
                                            Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his paychecks...seriously :o) )
                                             
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:24 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] furniture was: A suggestion

                                            Goodness yes!  This is the most helpful list I am on, I think.....
                                             
                                            Medb
                                             
                                          • Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil
                                            ... STORY!!! Once Queen Caitlin and King Osis of the Middle Kingdom were holding court and they called up a wonderful person to receive an award. Osis looked
                                            Message 21 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                              At 03:47 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
                                              >Helpful?? It's gonna cost me a fortune now just to do all the cool stuff
                                              >I've seen so far :o)
                                              >
                                              >Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his paychecks...seriously
                                              >:o) )

                                              STORY!!!

                                              Once Queen Caitlin and King Osis of the Middle Kingdom were holding court
                                              and they called up a wonderful person to receive an award. Osis looked at
                                              Caitlin and said, "Isn't this the guy that wrote that book on furniture?".

                                              Caitlin smiled at Osis and said, "Why, yes, he is, that book is why we're
                                              giving him this award."

                                              Osis looked at the poor gentle on his knees before the King and said, "You
                                              mean I have to give him an award for making me do more work?"

                                              Caitlin smiled and said, "Yes."

                                              And the people laughed heartily - but no more so than did Queen Caitlin on
                                              that day.

                                              Smiles,
                                              Despina

                                              ps Always glad to help you spend your money. You might want to check out
                                              actual lumber yards for wood, as they usually have a better selection of
                                              good stock than Lowes or Menards. ;^)
                                            • Jenn Ridley
                                              On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:47:46 -0400, Tom Knighton ... Look at it this way....you d probably be buying the same type of thing anyway. This way you only have
                                              Message 22 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                                On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:47:46 -0400, "Tom Knighton"
                                                <badceltic1@...> wrote:

                                                >Helpful?? It's gonna cost me a fortune now just to do all the cool stuff I've seen so far :o)
                                                >
                                                >Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his paychecks...seriously :o) )
                                                >
                                                Look at it this way....you'd probably be buying the same type of thing
                                                anyway. This way you only have to buy it once, rather than buying a
                                                modern make-do and replacing it with something more period later.
                                                It's saving you money in the long run. :)

                                                jenn
                                                --
                                                Jenn Ridley
                                                jridley@...
                                              • Theresa Brooks
                                                LOL, Most men complain about having ONE woman to help spend their pay checks.... You have about how many now ???? ... Isabella
                                                Message 23 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                                  LOL,
                                                  Most men complain about having ONE woman to help spend their pay checks....
                                                  You have about how many now ????
                                                   
                                                  :) :) :) :)
                                                   
                                                  Isabella
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  >
                                                  >Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his
                                                  paychecks...seriously :o) )
                                                • Tom Knighton
                                                  Every lady on this list PLUS my wife who doesn t need any help at all....but I know you all are happy to help anyways :o) Bran ... From: Theresa Brooks To:
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                                    Every lady on this list PLUS my wife who doesn't need any help at all....but I know you all are happy to help anyways :o)
                                                     
                                                    Bran
                                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:16 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] furniture was: A suggestion

                                                    LOL,
                                                    Most men complain about having ONE woman to help spend their pay checks....
                                                    You have about how many now ????
                                                     
                                                    :) :) :) :)
                                                     
                                                    Isabella
                                                     
                                                     
                                                    >
                                                    >Bran (who IS thankful on the help with spending his paychecks...seriously :o) )

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                                                  • N B
                                                    ... That just doesnt happen that often down under,where the cheapest wool you can buy is 25 bucks a metre, a couple people here have made proper tents and
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , May 29, 2002
                                                      --- "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@...> wrote:
                                                      > The things that you say are true, Pete. One is not
                                                      > expelled from an SCA
                                                      > event for carrying around stuff or having in one's camp
                                                      > stuff that is not
                                                      > period correct or does not look period correct.
                                                      >
                                                      > However
                                                      >
                                                      > An attempt should be made (this is personal opinion) to
                                                      > cover any and all
                                                      > such objects. If you can't live without your cooler,
                                                      > toss a nice piece of
                                                      > brocade fabric or even a cheap piece of plain cotton
                                                      > fabric over the top -
                                                      > make it appear to be a table.
                                                      >
                                                      > Going slowly and replacing stuff is the only way to do it
                                                      > within budget
                                                      > constraints that most people have. Yes, buying the good
                                                      > stuff first time
                                                      > out does cost more and you have to save a little longer,
                                                      > but it's worth it
                                                      > in the long run, as it won't need to be replaced as
                                                      > quickly or as often as
                                                      > that which is not (authentic or correct, linen and
                                                      > wood-rather than
                                                      > plywood- come to mind as examples).
                                                      >
                                                      > As for covering nylon tents in an attempt to make them
                                                      > look more period,
                                                      > just make a tent. It's not that expensive. You can get
                                                      > sunforger canvas
                                                      > for cheap - look on the medieval encampments list, I did
                                                      > and I got it for
                                                      > $2 per yard.
                                                      >
                                                      > Smiles,
                                                      > Despina
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      That just doesnt happen that often down under,where the
                                                      cheapest wool you can buy is 25 bucks a metre, a couple
                                                      people here have made "proper" tents and the small one cost
                                                      400 dollars by time you bought all the supplies,
                                                      waterproofing etc, thats 400 dollars I dont have. And when
                                                      I do go that route I dont want to waste money on cheap
                                                      crappy material. It cost me 25 dollars to cover my tent and
                                                      I am proud of my effort. Instead of a big silver
                                                      monstrosity it blends in with camp and gets a lot of
                                                      compliments. I do not see this as a waste. It will be some
                                                      time before I have the money to afford a "proper" tent, and
                                                      I dont want to be embarressed to pitch my tent in the
                                                      meantime.

                                                      Catalina

                                                      >


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                                                    • arrahateck
                                                      From what period are brain picking tools? BRAIN PICKING TOOLS!!!! YIKES!!! A lot of folks seem to be wieghing in on this. I ve seen a lot of good ideas.
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , May 30, 2002
                                                        From what period are brain picking tools? BRAIN PICKING TOOLS!!!!
                                                        YIKES!!!

                                                        A lot of folks seem to be wieghing in on this. I've seen a lot of
                                                        good ideas. First, to Catalina. Yes, my perspective is from the
                                                        U.S. In other countries, exchange rates and local prices change the
                                                        landscape drastically. I agree with you on the clothing. One should
                                                        have some sort of "starter set", the less expensive, the better,
                                                        until a decision is made on what your personna will be.

                                                        Tentage seems to be the hot topic right now, so here's my 2 cents
                                                        worth. I checked one of my old catalogs for prices. I'm sleeping
                                                        under a homemade tent myself, so I didn't know. The price range for
                                                        medieval style tentage depending on size, material, and
                                                        treatments,was $300 to $1400 plus poles, ropes and pegs. Armes and
                                                        armour are probably the only other single item to rival that
                                                        expense.

                                                        Another source for relatively inexpensive canvas is the local paint
                                                        or home improvement store. The canvas painters drop cloths are
                                                        reasonably priced. These are thinner than the usual tent canvas, and
                                                        can be treated with water proofing. I'll tell you from experience
                                                        though, it will not protect you completely from a hard, driving
                                                        rain. If you want to go the extra mile, hemp canvas is also
                                                        available.

                                                        Another point to consider is research. What type of shelter, if any,
                                                        would your personna use? It could be one of those big pavilions or
                                                        something as simple as a brush arbor or lean-to. Our own health,
                                                        safety, and privacy requirements may outwiegh authenticity for some
                                                        of the more spartan shelters, but, you never know what the research
                                                        may turn up.

                                                        Take care,
                                                        Pete
                                                      • Will Harrington
                                                        ... From: arrahateck To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: [Authentic_SCA] Re: A suggestion,
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , May 30, 2002
                                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                                          From: "arrahateck" <p_mckee3@...>
                                                          To: <Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:54 AM
                                                          Subject: [Authentic_SCA] Re: A suggestion, re; tents, gear, etc.


                                                          > From what period are brain picking tools? BRAIN PICKING TOOLS!!!!
                                                          > YIKES!!!

                                                          They're ancient Egyptian.

                                                          Dorje
                                                        • Kirrily Robert
                                                          ... I think there s two things at work here. As you say, nobody will throw you out of the SCA for having a dome tent or modern shoes or whatever. But when I
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Jun 3, 2002
                                                            Pete wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > I am looking at the SCA from the outside, so please correct me if
                                                            > this next observation is incorrect. It appears to me that you will
                                                            > not be excluded from any SCA event if your clothing and equipment is
                                                            > not completely authentic. If that is the case, I see no reason to
                                                            > make any attempt to hide or modify any modern equipment you may be
                                                            > using now. Instead redirect your resources into making or acquiring
                                                            > the proper equipment. When you do get a period item, simply stop
                                                            > using the modern equivilant. Over time, usually a couple of years or
                                                            > more, your kit or camp will become more and more authentic.

                                                            I think there's two things at work here.

                                                            As you say, nobody will throw you out of the SCA for having a dome tent
                                                            or modern shoes or whatever. But when I take a "half measure", I don't
                                                            do it to conform to the SCA rules, I do it to give myself and my friends
                                                            (and anyone else who likes some degree of historical accuracy) at least
                                                            half a chance to suspend disbelief.

                                                            To take the example of my shoes, which are modern flat-soled "mary
                                                            janes" (i.e. black leather, strap and buckle fastening)... I know that
                                                            the $20 I spent on them at Payless Shoes could have been put towards a
                                                            pair of more authentic ones, but if putting it towards the more
                                                            authentic shoes meant wearing sneakers in the meantime, I would consider
                                                            that to be unacceptably modern and offensive to my own sense of "minimum
                                                            reasonable effort", even though there's no rule against wearing Nikes
                                                            under my gown. Same goes for most of my other half measures.

                                                            Also, many of my half measures are a matter of time, not money. In some
                                                            cases a half measure will cost half as much as doing it right (dome tent
                                                            covers spring to mind) and in that case it seems like it might be worth
                                                            saving the money. But what if money's not the only thing at stake here?
                                                            I mean, a pair of authentic shoes would probably only cost me $20 in
                                                            materials, but they would cost me a *lot* of time that I don't have. So
                                                            while I might be doubling the financial cost to get to authenticity in
                                                            the shoe department ($20 for the modern mary-janes, $20 for authentic
                                                            materials), I'm only adding perhaps 2% to the total *time* cost (half an
                                                            hour to buy the mary-janes; many many hours to research authentic shoes,
                                                            learn how to make them, etc).

                                                            So, um, I guess I sort of half agree with you. I'd like people to wait
                                                            and get more authentic stuff, but if there's a quick and easy and cheap
                                                            half-measure that will avoid offending peoples' sense of reasonable
                                                            authenticity in the meantime, I think it's worth taking.

                                                            Yours,

                                                            Katherine

                                                            --
                                                            Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert)
                                                            katherine@... http://infotrope.net/sca/
                                                            Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere
                                                            "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene"
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