Re: [Authentic_SCA] Re: 12th night dress?
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> All the stuff I snipped here was an excellent description of the
> Houppelende sleeve issue!
But here's my question...the view of the sleeve I want to use is...open.
The pattern calls it "lined floor-length split tube sleeves, and wrist
length undersleeves", and they mention that they "cheat" by putting in a
fake undersleeve and a fake insert at the neck instead of making a
proper underdress, which of course, I'm doing. So...would any of this
be relevant?? I keep looking, and I've printed out Mistress Cynthia's
entire Houppelande section, but she uses a completely different sleeve
construction than I'm planning.
> I would like to add my two cents worth also.... it is confusing
> enough that sometimes I just make a muslin mockup and cut it with
> about 12 inches extra length on the sleeve cap end to allow for
> adjustments. Then I pin fit the sleeve cap making sure the "bell"
> or "trumpet" portion of the sleeve is oriented correctly. (you have
> to sit down and use either a fork or pen to make sure the sleeve does
> not pull at some weird angle) This usually results in the sleeve cap
> being twisted about 30 degrees from where you would have expected
> it. This makes a pattern such that you have to cut you left and
> right sleeves with the pattern flipped over from one to the next.
Once again, the sleeves never touch my arm from maybe 1 or 2 inches over
the actual shoulder...and the underdress is fine. I have 2 from the
design I'm using.
Also...I found Ron's fabric today. He's gonna be gorgeous. I'm making
him a "pseudo-period", or maybe it's period, but I haven't done any
research, though he's bought a coat/del/thingie like this before at
Pennsic. Basically like an open calf-length del, without the flap that
wraps over and hooks diagonally on the front (doesn't tie or close at
all) in a black satin brocade with gold dragons on it, trimmed in gold
satin at cuffs, collar, and down the front opening, with the same gold
satin pants and a black satin knee-length tunic. He likes the look, and
if I can get him into ANYTHING besides a small kilt, I feel
who has enough trouble getting Ron to play, especially because if he
can't wear the small kilt he wants to be a grubby peasant. This is the
first time in 4 years he's agreed to ANYTHING resembling nice garb.
- Ciorstan wrote:
>As a rule, Period Patterns are drafted with a high, tight armscyeOooooh....that explains it!! When I was working on my big fancy dress last
>that doesn't necessarily match up to the body of the garment even with a
>LOT of easing,
month, I used (among several other references) the Period Patterns
Elizabethan. I recycled a perfectly-fitting bodice from an old dress, but
cut the sleeve pieces from the pattern; they were significantly smaller
than the armscye, and though I got them sewn in nicely, when I tried them
on I found that they were vastly too tight, and there were several
directions in which I couldn't move my arms! :-( I'm glad to know it's the
pattern's fault, not my own incompetence in sewing (well maybe a little of
that too...) ;-)
>and their directions suck loudly (sorry, I'm a nativeLOL!!! I've never heard that before :-) Though I usually reside in the
West, my permanent home is in the Barony of the Angels - does that make me
a Caidiot too? <g>
(back to studying, Despina, I promise! your pictures are very cool, by the way)
- At 09:53 AM 12/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>VittoriaGlad you're studying. *wink* Thanks for the compliment.
>(back to studying, Despina, I promise! your pictures are very cool, by