58855RE: [Authentic_SCA] Wappenrock/Waffenrock/Bases questions...
- Aug 23 4:18 PMShirt and skirt are the same word but in two different languages--I seem to
they are both from kirtle.
From: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Susan Meitzler
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Authentic_SCA] Wappenrock/Waffenrock/Bases questions...
1) do not call it a skirt from what i have been told it's is literally
a "war shirt
2)The waffenrock was usually worn under armor as much as I have seen.
The mantle and chest piece have become part of the waffenrock ensemble.
3)Wams is a separate piece all together and usually worn with hosen
and has nothing to do with a waffenrock and the top and bottom are
connected as almost a dress. Wams are usually made with a series of
triangles pieced together while a waffenrock has at least one rectangle
4) You can do without the sleeves as almost a "tank" style but I would
add sleeves of a contrasting color to make it look spiffy
Now if anyone does disagree I won't argue. As one of the core members
of a Landsknecht unit's baggage train and maker of clothes, these are
just my personal observations as no extant waffenrock still exists
Lady Magdalena Von KDT
East kingdom/ shire of Eisental
On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:11 PM, JL Badgley wrote:
> I'm looking for help with late 15th/early 16th century German garments
> for wearing with armor. I've been pointed to the "wappenrock", which
> appears to be a wams/doublet garment with a pleated skirt--though I
> think the term applies equally to other garments (I see it used for
> military coats, surcoats, etc.). The skirt appears to be called
> "bases" by some, and I found one example showing that it was padded.
> I'm looking to make my appearance in armor *more* correct while I wait
> to get metal everywhere ;) This seems like it could cover some sins,
> if I understand it correctly, and add some extra protection
> Question 1) Is the above generally correct? Do people understand what
> I"m looking for?
> Question 2) Would wams/wappenrock be worn *over* armor, such as this:
> Question 3) Is it one garment, or are they separate?
> Question 4) Should the sleeves be integral, or are they usually an
> undergarment showing through, like a doublet under a jerkin?
> I realize more information may be needed, but I don't know what at
> this time. I would appreciate any help--I've found a coupe of things
> online, but not much, and I fear I may be searching the wrong terms
> (or just in English).
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