55992Re: [Authentic_SCA] Middle Eastern Question
- Jun 5, 2007Sine wrote:
>I understand him to be Seljuk........now I'm not actually positiveOK, if he's Seljuk, he's Turkish. They conquered a large part of
>about that, just seem to remember that in conversation, can't
>contact him until tomorrow to clarify.
Persia, but they are Turkish linguistically, ethnically, and
In art i see that he would have adapted to wear a turban as royalty,
but if he's dead set against it, a fur lined had is the next best
thing (yeah, right, i'm sure he'll love that idea :-) You can fake it
by making a cap and have the fur on the outside...
One hat (but it's for mortals less that the "King") is a basic cap
with a rectangular band around the head and the top made of triangles
- six would be best, although i've seen simplified versions with only
four, but c'mon, if he's royalty he deserves the best :-) Make the
parts of the hat that show of the richest jacquard silk fabric you
can fine - since it won't use a lot. Then that simple band around the
head should be of a nice rich dark brown fur - you can make it on the
outside only so it won't be so hot, with a simple comfy fabric on the
inside (cotton or linen).
One feature of royal caps, at least in the Minai style Seljuk art (i
have a real soft spot for Minai style art) is a sort of triangle
shape in the center front that sticks up and is gold, at least in
paintings, and appears to be backed or edged with fur. In reality it
might have been gold metal, but if you can find gilded leather that
might be less uncomfortable and quicker to make.
This web page has some nice Minai style manuscript illuminations,
although they're a bit fuzzy.
The large painting about 2/5 of the way down the page with the caption:
"A Seljuq court, from Kitab al Diryaq (the Book of Antidotes) by
Pseudo-Gallen, probably from Iraq, mid 13th century. National
Bibliothek, Vienna." (i figure that should say Pseudo-Galen)
shows the ruler in very large size almost centered. He's wearing that
hat i mentioned.
Granted, this is about 200 years later than you're looking for, but
clothing for rulers was often more conservative than that for
ordinary folks, so it may be close to what he could use.
Those pointed white hats with the brims do not appear to be for
royalty, and in period it was always important to look the part,
whatever one's part was. Personal comfort of royalty when out in
public didn't matter as much as looking impressive, although in
private i'm sure royalty could be a bit more informal.
In some versions of the Maqamat of al-Hariri produced in Seljuk
controlled Syria in a Seljuk influenced style, shows some men with
head wraps around caps - one in particular looks like a qalansuwa - a
somewhat tall somewhat pointy hat, generally associated with the
In a copy of Kalila wa-Dimna dated to 1220 and produced in Seljuk
controlled Baghdad all the human men appear to be wearing either
turbans or head wraps :-( Many of the illustrations from this book,
Ms. arabe 3465,
Both books are on-line at the site of the Biblioteque Nationale de France
I seem to recall that the section in English has a lot fewer pieces
of art than the section in French.
Another Seljuk book, the story of Warka wa-Gulshah, the tale of two
lovers (his name is variously Romanized into Warqa and Varka; as for
her name, "Gul" means "rose"), is also from the early 13th century. I
can only assume these early 13th C. works were all pre-Mongol
invasion. Again, nearly all the men are shown wearing turbans or head
wraps. Most of the illustrations are on-line, scanned from a book
that reproduced them mostly in black-and-white (alas).
There are some color pictures from it at:
And there are some illustrations from the 1300s... some before the
Mongol invasion and some after here:
but this is definitely getting rather late for your gentleman's persona.
I hope some of this is useful.
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita
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