54256Re: [Authentic_SCA] A question about peace
- Sep 7, 2006
>Granted, it was a vague topic.
>Jehanne was making a suggestion to Mikhail who had presented a very
>vague topic. Given the context, her citation was probably sufficient.
> > I thought the whole pointSo, let's begin with the basics, shall we?
> >of this listserve was to raise the level of scholarly discourse.
>Well... one would hope.
>Only because it has more pages. Of course, the number of additional topics
>Come on, now. There's a great deal more information dealt with in the
>Britannica than in a jr. hi. "world" history book.
it deals with are, well, innumerable.
>Encyclopediae areThe both have same basic weakness; the articles are such superficial
>just meant to present general surveys of information to an educated
>general public - specific encyclopediae address different levels of
>education - the Britannica is usually at a "higher" level than the
treatments of the topics that they are often WRONG by vitrue of ommission.
The Wiki article at hand is just such a case.
>Clearly no single article pretends to present its topicYes, this is a very good use for encyclopedias. Less so for Wiki, since,
>in depth. But an encyclopedia or wiki article might be a decent start
>for someone who has no idea what terms like "viking" or "heian" or
>"abbasid" refer to.
as I pointed out the information CAN be changed by anyone, and therefore
cannot be relied to be factual.
>It's much quicker andYes, that is true. But even on the web, there are better sources availible.
>easier to point someone to a web site than to suggest they find their
>nearest university library and see if they can get access to the
>stacks to find some specialized texts.
They don't have to be specialized texts.
>Here where i live, the UC-Berkeley does NOT let people in who are notSimilar policies are in effect at most university libraries, in my
>students or paid up alumnae/alumni. If you are a member of the
>"general public", in order to get access you must present yourself
>and some ID to the Research Librarian, tell him/her what you want to
>do, and get a pass.......... As a resident of the area, i could pay
>in the vicinity of $150 annually for a library card to the
>UC-Berkeley, but i can't really afford that right now.
experience. I live a LONG way from any decent reearch libraries; I use
inter-library loan a lot. Even the tiny, understocked local library is able
to get things via ILL.
>But until one begins doing research, one cannot have a goodYES! YES! YES! Something we agree on!
>idea which are the best sources.
>When one comes to a topic fresh, oneWE AGREE HERE TOO!
>can use what critical facilities one has, but one will at that point
>be lacking in actual details - which are not only historical details
>of the subject, but knowledge of historiography (the history of the
>study of the subject, for those unfamiliar with such terms), and what
>agendae have motivated researchers, leading to lacunae in the
>information or biases in the presentation of the information.
>Often people end up using not very good print sources because they
>don't understand the historiography and/or their local libraries
>don't have good sources, and no one is helping them to understand the
>flaws and failings in the books they are reading.
>You've kinda missed my whole point; SPECIFICALLY Wikipedia is open-source
>This is, after all, an e-mail list, and we don't all have access to
>the same books on all the possible topics there are. But we do all
>have access to the 'net. I don't think it's bad to start someone off
>with a website for some general ideas.
material, able to be modified by ANYONE, regardless of their knowledge of
the topic. My assertion is that it therefore has limited validity, since
there's no way to restrict posting and rewriting by anyone for any reason.
For instance, the Templar conspiracy theorists ahve a field day with
Wikipedia; periodically, someone goes in and prunes out all the trash, and
it grows back again, and it gets pruned back, and it gorws again, etc etc
There ARE very good sources online. I'm not attacking web-based research in
general; I just have a problem with anyone relying on Wikipedia.
>Actually, it's not - sort of a past hobby. But I'll look through my
>If Japanese history is your focus, perhaps you could make some
>specific suggestions to books in English (or other Western European
personal library and see what I can suggest.
Eadric the Potter
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