54198Re: [Authentic_SCA] Mac bible gambeson pattern
- Aug 29, 2006On 8/29/06, kittencat3@... <kittencat3@...> wrote:
> If you mean Alienor de Ravenglass, you're absolutely right - she's aOhmygoodness, I'm not about to tackle that sort of a project, but thank you!
> wonderful seamstress, and very accurate. If anyone can whip together a true
> jack/jupon, it's her (and I want to see it when she's done!)
I think Mikhail was referring to the proprietress of the link he provided. ;^)
Carolin, here's my best guess as to what's going on with those
garments. First off, I think you're looking at TWO garments, not just
one. To me, the outer layer appears to be similar to the cyclas you
see worn by most of the guys in mail in this same picture. That
appears to be worn over another garment, one that is patterned much
more like the the coats of mail (with the integrated mittens). That
appears to be worn on top of yet another, un-padded garment (look at
the guy in the green in the bottom left-hand corner, and the guy in
the brown with the axe on the right-hand side). I'm wondering if the
middle layer would have been quilted all-over (lending
double-protection to the body, which makes a fair bit of sense from a
logic standpoint) or just on the sleeves?
I'm glad that Mistress Sarah chimed in, because my immediate
inclination was to say that these might be quilted garments, but she's
the one who knows the history of quilted garments. If she says it
might have been a quilted jack, then it might have been a quilted
jack. (Sarah, the Mac Bible is dated to roughly 1250 - is it
plausible to have quilted armor at that time?) Part of my reason for
thinking that we're looking at two garments is for ease of
construction - sheer quantity of padding.
So, if I were going to make this, I would make two quilted garments -
one in the style of a tunic (Sarah can probably enlighten us on this
process - she's made one) and the other in the style of a cyclas.
Both would be quilted. I'd consult an armorer about how exactly those
mittened sleeves shoudl be made.
I also just noticed another interesting element - look at the guy
under the horse at the center of the picture - he's wearing what
appears to be a padded/quilted garment OVER mail.
Alianor de Ravenglas
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