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  • Ancient Star
    Discovered: A sunken island in Indian Ocean. An Atlantis? Le Muria? April 1, 2009 Illustration below Exclusive! Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine
    Message 1 of 12 , Apr 2, 2009
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      Discovered:  A sunken island in Indian Ocean.
      An Atlantis?    Le Muria?
      April 1, 2009
      Illustration below

      Exclusive!

      Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine archaeologists have just discovered evidence of a large submerged landmass southeast of Sri Lanka. They believe it could be a legendary lost island closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankan people.

      The discovery was made by a team of Dutch and Sri Lankan scientists based on satellite maps and underwater sample extractions from the deep sea. Preliminary data need to be verified by a deep sea submersible expedition during 2009 - 2010, according to a member of the research team who did not want to be identified.

      The landmass is estimated to be between 450,000 and 475,000 square kilometres, which is about seven times the total land area of Sri Lanka.

      “This could well be the long lost island of Irisiyawa, which is euphemistically mentioned in our chronicles and hinted at in the writings of Greek historians,” said Dr Godwin Samarawickrama, a maritime historian at the Indian Ocean Institute based in Melacca, Malaysia.

      He added: “The existence of such an island has been speculated and talked in hush-hush terms among divers and archaeologists for decades. This is the Indian Ocean’s own version of Atlantis!”

      Irisiyawa’s existence is first mentioned in the Sri Lankan chronicle of  Culavamsa. Sinhalese Sandesa (message poem) writers in the 14th to 16th centuries often refer to the enormous psychological effect by sunken Irisiyawa on royal families, aristocracy and ordinary people. Some say the legacy of Irisiyawa has continued well into the twenty first century.

      Other experts are more sceptical, and point out long-standing speculations about  Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken landmass said to have been located to the south of present-day  Kanyakumari District at the southern tip of India. Some also call it  Lemuria, a continent that existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of a geological, often cataclysmic, change. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.

      “Sri Lanka must quickly assert its historical and territorial claims over the newly discovered sunken island,” said Gajaba Vidyadheera, a senior lecturer in history at the University of Peradeniya. “If not, other countries and cultures can stake their own claims, leading to disputes and even international litigation.”

      But the marine archaeology team who made the discovery advise caution. “We need much more evidence before even considering any claims, and historical and cultural speculation could only muddy the deep waters,” said a Dutch member of the team, none of who would make any statement on the record.

      In recent years, much evidence has been found of maritime activity in and off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. In late 2008, an underwater search of the seas around  Godavaya, Hambantota district, carried out by the Central Cultural Fund, revealed the wreck of a ship, possibly dating back to the 1st Century AD. If confirmed, this could be the oldest shipwreck in the Indian Ocean.

      Sri Lanka with its 65,610 square kilometres is currently ranked at  No 121 out of 231 countries and territories according to their land area. If the estimated landmass of submerged Irisiyawa is added, this would immediately boost Sri Lanka’s ranking to around 50, comparable to that of Thailand with 513,120 sq km.

      The archipelago nation of Maldives, which lies to the southwest of Sri Lanka, has only 298 sq km and ranks No 201, the smallest country in Asia.

      hmmm..."Lady Godavaya"?

      http://www.groundviews.org/2009/04/01/discovered-a-sunken-island-an-indian-ocean-atlantis/

    • jodi colon
      Most writings to date believe that Le Muria was in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean ... I have wondered is the Hawaii is not the
      Message 2 of 12 , Apr 2, 2009
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        Most writings to date believe that Le Muria was in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean ... I have wondered is the Hawaii is not the mountain tops of Le Muria!  ~ jc


        From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
        To: Ancient_History_Expanded@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:37:02 AM
        Subject: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

        Discovered:  A sunken island in Indian Ocean.
        An Atlantis?    Le Muria?
        April 1, 2009
        Illustration below

        Exclusive!

        Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine archaeologists have just discovered evidence of a large submerged landmass southeast of Sri Lanka. They believe it could be a legendary lost island closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankan people.

        The discovery was made by a team of Dutch and Sri Lankan scientists based on satellite maps and underwater sample extractions from the deep sea. Preliminary data need to be verified by a deep sea submersible expedition during 2009 - 2010, according to a member of the research team who did not want to be identified.

        The landmass is estimated to be between 450,000 and 475,000 square kilometres, which is about seven times the total land area of Sri Lanka.

        “This could well be the long lost island of Irisiyawa, which is euphemistically mentioned in our chronicles and hinted at in the writings of Greek historians,” said Dr Godwin Samarawickrama, a maritime historian at the Indian Ocean Institute based in Melacca, Malaysia.

        He added: “The existence of such an island has been speculated and talked in hush-hush terms among divers and archaeologists for decades. This is the Indian Ocean’s own version of Atlantis!”

        Irisiyawa’s existence is first mentioned in the Sri Lankan chronicle of  Culavamsa. Sinhalese Sandesa (message poem) writers in the 14th to 16th centuries often refer to the enormous psychological effect by sunken Irisiyawa on royal families, aristocracy and ordinary people. Some say the legacy of Irisiyawa has continued well into the twenty first century.

        Other experts are more sceptical, and point out long-standing speculations about  Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken landmass said to have been located to the south of present-day  Kanyakumari District at the southern tip of India. Some also call it  Lemuria, a continent that existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of a geological, often cataclysmic, change. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.

        “Sri Lanka must quickly assert its historical and territorial claims over the newly discovered sunken island,” said Gajaba Vidyadheera, a senior lecturer in history at the University of Peradeniya. “If not, other countries and cultures can stake their own claims, leading to disputes and even international litigation.”

        But the marine archaeology team who made the discovery advise caution. “We need much more evidence before even considering any claims, and historical and cultural speculation could only muddy the deep waters,” said a Dutch member of the team, none of who would make any statement on the record.

        In recent years, much evidence has been found of maritime activity in and off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. In late 2008, an underwater search of the seas around  Godavaya, Hambantota district, carried out by the Central Cultural Fund, revealed the wreck of a ship, possibly dating back to the 1st Century AD. If confirmed, this could be the oldest shipwreck in the Indian Ocean.

        Sri Lanka with its 65,610 square kilometres is currently ranked at  No 121 out of 231 countries and territories according to their land area. If the estimated landmass of submerged Irisiyawa is added, this would immediately boost Sri Lanka’s ranking to around 50, comparable to that of Thailand with 513,120 sq km.

        The archipelago nation of Maldives, which lies to the southwest of Sri Lanka, has only 298 sq km and ranks No 201, the smallest country in Asia.

        hmmm..."Lady Godavaya"?

        http://www.groundviews.org/2009/04/01/discovered-a-sunken-island-an-indian-ocean-atlantis/



      • TallTrees2001
        Yes, they are the Volcanic  leftovers - evidence of the tops of Lemuria. If you want real evidence, look off the road to Hana and under the ocean there are
        Message 3 of 12 , Apr 2, 2009
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          Yes, they are the Volcanic  leftovers - evidence of the tops of Lemuria. If you want real evidence, look off the road to Hana and under the ocean there are leftovers of the Pyramid complex of that area. William Buehler (a friend) also plotted the Special energies and Sacred geometries of those islands -  and the main line of the Resch Technology goes through that pyramid complex.

          The core area of Atlantis was near Bimini and the Indian Ocean was part of the outlying civilization just like the Mayan peninsula (e.g. Tulum)  was an outgrowth when Atlantis started coming apart.

          My 2 Cents fyi
          TT

          --- On Thu, 4/2/09, jodi colon <jodicolon@...> wrote:

          From: jodi colon <jodicolon@...>
          Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island
          To: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 6:11 AM

          Most writings to date believe that Le Muria was in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean ... I have wondered is the Hawaii is not the mountain tops of Le Muria!  ~ jc


          From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
          To: Ancient_History_Expanded@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:37:02 AM
          Subject: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

          Discovered:  A sunken island in Indian Ocean.
          An Atlantis?    Le Muria?
          April 1, 2009
          Illustration below

          Exclusive!

          Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine archaeologists have just discovered evidence of a large submerged landmass southeast of Sri Lanka. They believe it could be a legendary lost island closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankan people.

          The discovery was made by a team of Dutch and Sri Lankan scientists based on satellite maps and underwater sample extractions from the deep sea. Preliminary data need to be verified by a deep sea submersible expedition during 2009 - 2010, according to a member of the research team who did not want to be identified.

          The landmass is estimated to be between 450,000 and 475,000 square kilometres, which is about seven times the total land area of Sri Lanka.

          “This could well be the long lost island of Irisiyawa, which is euphemistically mentioned in our chronicles and hinted at in the writings of Greek historians,” said Dr Godwin Samarawickrama, a maritime historian at the Indian Ocean Institute based in Melacca, Malaysia.

          He added: “The existence of such an island has been speculated and talked in hush-hush terms among divers and archaeologists for decades. This is the Indian Ocean’s own version of Atlantis!”

          Irisiyawa’s existence is first mentioned in the Sri Lankan chronicle of  Culavamsa. Sinhalese Sandesa (message poem) writers in the 14th to 16th centuries often refer to the enormous psychological effect by sunken Irisiyawa on royal families, aristocracy and ordinary people. Some say the legacy of Irisiyawa has continued well into the twenty first century.

          Other experts are more sceptical, and point out long-standing speculations about  Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken landmass said to have been located to the south of present-day  Kanyakumari District at the southern tip of India. Some also call it  Lemuria, a continent that existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of a geological, often cataclysmic, change. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.

          “Sri Lanka must quickly assert its historical and territorial claims over the newly discovered sunken island,” said Gajaba Vidyadheera, a senior lecturer in history at the University of Peradeniya. “If not, other countries and cultures can stake their own claims, leading to disputes and even international litigation.”

          But the marine archaeology team who made the discovery advise caution. “We need much more evidence before even considering any claims, and historical and cultural speculation could only muddy the deep waters,” said a Dutch member of the team, none of who would make any statement on the record.

          In recent years, much evidence has been found of maritime activity in and off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. In late 2008, an underwater search of the seas around  Godavaya, Hambantota district, carried out by the Central Cultural Fund, revealed the wreck of a ship, possibly dating back to the 1st Century AD. If confirmed, this could be the oldest shipwreck in the Indian Ocean.

          Sri Lanka with its 65,610 square kilometres is currently ranked at  No 121 out of 231 countries and territories according to their land area. If the estimated landmass of submerged Irisiyawa is added, this would immediately boost Sri Lanka’s ranking to around 50, comparable to that of Thailand with 513,120 sq km.

          The archipelago nation of Maldives, which lies to the southwest of Sri Lanka, has only 298 sq km and ranks No 201, the smallest country in Asia.

          hmmm..."Lady Godavaya"?

          http://www.groundviews.org/2009/04/01/discovered-a-sunken-island-an-indian-ocean-atlantis/





        • Ancient Star
          Hi Jodi, Yes, that is what is thought - although anciently, the earth s entire ocean had been called Atlantic . Actually, the mountain tops of Hawaii are tops
          Message 4 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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            Hi Jodi,
             
            Yes, that is what is thought - although anciently, the earth's entire ocean
            had
            been called "Atlantic".   

            Actually, the mountain tops of Hawaii are
            tops of volcanoes, and like
            chimneys rise up out
            of the ocean (can check under-sea maps. 
            National Geographic has good ones).   It is said by science that these
            Hawaiian volcanoes are fairly "new", yet there is some ancient 
            Celto-Hiberian cave art painted in them, which is now flooded over by
            the sea, which are closed off to divers so they won't be damaged.  But
            what good are they if they cannot be seen and photographed?  These
            ancient paintings
            are of American/European buffalo/bison, as well as
            the usual ancient European game art found on the cave walls, as well as
            a formed horseshoe bay above it.
             
            But there are ancient Chumash Indian legends on the coasts of California,
            that there had been a prior civilization before them, which had been
            destroyed in a flood which had been called "Mu".   And we can find descriptive
            words along the southern coast of California and in South America that use an
            ancient place name of "Mu" in many titles of their ancient places.  Mu is also a
            prefix for mud.   Did "Mu" become "mud"?

            The name "Mu" meant "Mother"
            , and could be in reference to a "Mother-land",
            et al.   It's also possible that these coasts are the edge remnants of the other,
            now missing mainland, which is "missing" under the ocean because of volcanic
            upheavals or possible a asteroid hit which the ancient Egyptians, ardent historians, 
            told to Salon, the famous sixth century B.C. Greek Lawmaker,  and catalogued
            by Plato in his "Dialogues" - not even counting the higher ocean level due to
            our ice-age meltdown.
             
            The continent of Mu/Le Mu'ria probably trailed off to the coasts of China and
            India, etc., because much of the world's "matching" ancient animals did not
            swim to all these now "separated" continents, but migrated on foot as they still do.
             
            Just a few of western America's "Mu" names can be found on this site at:
             
            Kind regards,
            Kat
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:11 AM
            Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

            Most writings to date believe that Le Muria was in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean ... I have wondered is the Hawaii is not the mountain tops of Le Muria!  ~ jc


            From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
            To: Ancient_History_Expanded@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:37:02 AM
            Subject: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

            Discovered:  A sunken island in Indian Ocean.
            An Atlantis?    Le Muria?
            April 1, 2009
            Illustration below

            Exclusive!

            Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine archaeologists have just discovered evidence of a large submerged landmass southeast of Sri Lanka. They believe it could be a legendary lost island closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankan people.

            The discovery was made by a team of Dutch and Sri Lankan scientists based on satellite maps and underwater sample extractions from the deep sea. Preliminary data need to be verified by a deep sea submersible expedition during 2009 - 2010, according to a member of the research team who did not want to be identified.

            The landmass is estimated to be between 450,000 and 475,000 square kilometres, which is about seven times the total land area of Sri Lanka.

            “This could well be the long lost island of Irisiyawa, which is euphemistically mentioned in our chronicles and hinted at in the writings of Greek historians,” said Dr Godwin Samarawickrama, a maritime historian at the Indian Ocean Institute based in Melacca, Malaysia.

            He added: “The existence of such an island has been speculated and talked in hush-hush terms among divers and archaeologists for decades. This is the Indian Ocean’s own version of Atlantis!”

            Irisiyawa’s existence is first mentioned in the Sri Lankan chronicle of  Culavamsa. Sinhalese Sandesa (message poem) writers in the 14th to 16th centuries often refer to the enormous psychological effect by sunken Irisiyawa on royal families, aristocracy and ordinary people. Some say the legacy of Irisiyawa has continued well into the twenty first century.

            Other experts are more sceptical, and point out long-standing speculations about  Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken landmass said to have been located to the south of present-day  Kanyakumari District at the southern tip of India. Some also call it  Lemuria, a continent that existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of a geological, often cataclysmic, change. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.

            “Sri Lanka must quickly assert its historical and territorial claims over the newly discovered sunken island,” said Gajaba Vidyadheera, a senior lecturer in history at the University of Peradeniya. “If not, other countries and cultures can stake their own claims, leading to disputes and even international litigation.”

            But the marine archaeology team who made the discovery advise caution. “We need much more evidence before even considering any claims, and historical and cultural speculation could only muddy the deep waters,” said a Dutch member of the team, none of who would make any statement on the record.

            In recent years, much evidence has been found of maritime activity in and off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. In late 2008, an underwater search of the seas around  Godavaya, Hambantota district, carried out by the Central Cultural Fund, revealed the wreck of a ship, possibly dating back to the 1st Century AD. If confirmed, this could be the oldest shipwreck in the Indian Ocean.

            Sri Lanka with its 65,610 square kilometres is currently ranked at  No 121 out of 231 countries and territories according to their land area. If the estimated landmass of submerged Irisiyawa is added, this would immediately boost Sri Lanka’s ranking to around 50, comparable to that of Thailand with 513,120 sq km.

            The archipelago nation of Maldives, which lies to the southwest of Sri Lanka, has only 298 sq km and ranks No 201, the smallest country in Asia.

            hmmm..."Lady Godavaya"?

            http://www.groundviews.org/2009/04/01/discovered-a-sunken-island-an-indian-ocean-atlantis/


          • jodi colon
            Thanks Kat, but still into I. Donnelly in his book:  Atlantis the Aluvian World and Lumeria.  In 1806 his work was astounding and I am lucky to own a signed
            Message 5 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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              Thanks Kat, but still into I. Donnelly in his book:  Atlantis the Aluvian World and Lumeria.  In 1806 his work was astounding and I am lucky to own a signed copy.  I know that sicence has come far since his writings, however I am 68 years now and I had many dream travels as a very young child and recalled life times in both these worlds ... maybe nothing today's science would care for, however it is still the path I follow.

              Love and Light to All
              ~ jc


              From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
              To: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:31:02 PM
              Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

              
              Hi Jodi,
               
              Yes, that is what is thought - although anciently, the earth's entire ocean
              had
              been called "Atlantic".   

              Actually, the mountain tops of Hawaii are
              tops of volcanoes, and like
              chimneys rise up out
              of the ocean (can check under-sea maps. 
              National Geographic has good ones).   It is said by science that these
              Hawaiian volcanoes are fairly "new", yet there is some ancient 
              Celto-Hiberian cave art painted in them, which is now flooded over by
              the sea, which are closed off to divers so they won't be damaged.  But
              what good are they if they cannot be seen and photographed?  These
              ancient paintings
              are of American/European buffalo/bison, as well as
              the usual ancient European game art found on the cave walls, as well as
              a formed horseshoe bay above it.
               
              But there are ancient Chumash Indian legends on the coasts of California,
              that there had been a prior civilization before them, which had been
              destroyed in a flood which had been called "Mu".   And we can find descriptive
              words along the southern coast of California and in South America that use an
              ancient place name of "Mu" in many titles of their ancient places.  Mu is also a
              prefix for mud.   Did "Mu" become "mud"?

              The name "Mu" meant "Mother"
              , and could be in reference to a "Mother-land",
              et al.   It's also possible that these coasts are the edge remnants of the other,
              now missing mainland, which is "missing" under the ocean because of volcanic
              upheavals or possible a asteroid hit which the ancient Egyptians, ardent historians, 
              told to Salon, the famous sixth century B.C. Greek Lawmaker,  and catalogued
              by Plato in his "Dialogues" - not even counting the higher ocean level due to
              our ice-age meltdown.
               
              The continent of Mu/Le Mu'ria probably trailed off to the coasts of China and
              India, etc., because much of the world's "matching" ancient animals did not
              swim to all these now "separated" continents, but migrated on foot as they still do.
               
              Just a few of western America's "Mu" names can be found on this site at:
              http://www.ancientmoons.net/mulands.htm
               
              Kind regards,
              Kat
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:11 AM
              Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

              Most writings to date believe that Le Muria was in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean ... I have wondered is the Hawaii is not the mountain tops of Le Muria!  ~ jc


              From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
              To: Ancient_History_Expanded@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:37:02 AM
              Subject: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

              Discovered:  A sunken island in Indian Ocean.
              An Atlantis?    Le Muria?
              April 1, 2009
              Illustration below

              Exclusive!

              Godavaya, Sri Lanka: 14 March 2009: Marine archaeologists have just discovered evidence of a large submerged landmass southeast of Sri Lanka. They believe it could be a legendary lost island closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankan people.

              The discovery was made by a team of Dutch and Sri Lankan scientists based on satellite maps and underwater sample extractions from the deep sea. Preliminary data need to be verified by a deep sea submersible expedition during 2009 - 2010, according to a member of the research team who did not want to be identified.

              The landmass is estimated to be between 450,000 and 475,000 square kilometres, which is about seven times the total land area of Sri Lanka.

              “This could well be the long lost island of Irisiyawa, which is euphemistically mentioned in our chronicles and hinted at in the writings of Greek historians,” said Dr Godwin Samarawickrama, a maritime historian at the Indian Ocean Institute based in Melacca, Malaysia.

              He added: “The existence of such an island has been speculated and talked in hush-hush terms among divers and archaeologists for decades. This is the Indian Ocean’s own version of Atlantis!”

              Irisiyawa’s existence is first mentioned in the Sri Lankan chronicle of  Culavamsa. Sinhalese Sandesa (message poem) writers in the 14th to 16th centuries often refer to the enormous psychological effect by sunken Irisiyawa on royal families, aristocracy and ordinary people. Some say the legacy of Irisiyawa has continued well into the twenty first century.

              Other experts are more sceptical, and point out long-standing speculations about  Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken landmass said to have been located to the south of present-day  Kanyakumari District at the southern tip of India. Some also call it  Lemuria, a continent that existed in ancient times and sank beneath the ocean as a result of a geological, often cataclysmic, change. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims.

              “Sri Lanka must quickly assert its historical and territorial claims over the newly discovered sunken island,” said Gajaba Vidyadheera, a senior lecturer in history at the University of Peradeniya. “If not, other countries and cultures can stake their own claims, leading to disputes and even international litigation.”

              But the marine archaeology team who made the discovery advise caution. “We need much more evidence before even considering any claims, and historical and cultural speculation could only muddy the deep waters,” said a Dutch member of the team, none of who would make any statement on the record.

              In recent years, much evidence has been found of maritime activity in and off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. In late 2008, an underwater search of the seas around  Godavaya, Hambantota district, carried out by the Central Cultural Fund, revealed the wreck of a ship, possibly dating back to the 1st Century AD. If confirmed, this could be the oldest shipwreck in the Indian Ocean.

              Sri Lanka with its 65,610 square kilometres is currently ranked at  No 121 out of 231 countries and territories according to their land area. If the estimated landmass of submerged Irisiyawa is added, this would immediately boost Sri Lanka’s ranking to around 50, comparable to that of Thailand with 513,120 sq km.

              The archipelago nation of Maldives, which lies to the southwest of Sri Lanka, has only 298 sq km and ranks No 201, the smallest country in Asia.

              hmmm..."Lady Godavaya"?

              http://www.groundviews.org/2009/04/01/discovered-a-sunken-island-an-indian-ocean-atlantis/




            • Ancient Star
              Thanks Jodi, Yes, that is what science says. But much of what science says is speculation, i.e. someone, or some group s theory masquerading as
              Message 6 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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                Thanks Jodi,
                 
                Yes, that is what 'science' says.  But much of what 'science' says is
                speculation, i.e. someone, or some group's 'theory' masquerading
                as scientific fact.  They 'manufacture/fabricate' so-called 'proof' and
                deliberately fool the majority of people because of the lack of real
                information out there.   And I, like you do not take everything at face
                value.   It is like the so called 'hobbits'.   Most likely they were simple
                Pygmies who were commonly known back in the early 1800-1900s.  Many
                photos and movies were made which included them.   They were very
                short, very black, and only half the height of an average American or
                European.   'Where' did real 'science' and knowledge disappear to, as well
                as the old film footage?   
                 
                The pyramids off Hawaii are not so 'new,' and are probably contemporary
                with those in California and Egypt, as they seem to go along with those styles, 
                although many different
                styles were contemporaneous, and some styles could
                have been handed down from extremely ancient times, such as those built
                on our own neighbor Mars.
                 
                Thanks for the good note.
                Kat
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:30 PM
                Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                Thanks Kat, but still into I. Donnelly in his book:  Atlantis the Aluvian World and Lumeria.  In 1806 his work was astounding and I am lucky to own a signed copy.  I know that sicence has come far since his writings, however I am 68 years now and I had many dream travels as a very young child and recalled life times in both these worlds ... maybe nothing today's science would care for, however it is still the path I follow.

                Love and Light to All
                ~ jc
              • TallTrees2001
                Ref:The pyramids off Hawaii are not so new, and are probably contemporary with those in California and Egypt, Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake
                Message 7 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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                  Ref:The pyramids off Hawaii are not so 'new,' and are probably contemporary with those in California and Egypt,

                  Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake Wisconsin a that are directly up the globe from Tulum or is Anghor Wat also relatively new???? How is that dating determined??
                  TT




                  --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ancient Star <ancientstar@...> wrote:

                  From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
                  Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island
                  To: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:36 PM

                  
                  Thanks Jodi,
                   
                  Yes, that is what 'science' says.  But much of what 'science' says is
                  speculation, i.e. someone, or some group's 'theory' masquerading
                  as scientific fact.  They 'manufacture/fabricate' so-called 'proof' and
                  deliberately fool the majority of people because of the lack of real
                  information out there.   And I, like you do not take everything at face
                  value.   It is like the so called 'hobbits'.   Most likely they were simple
                  Pygmies who were commonly known back in the early 1800-1900s.  Many
                  photos and movies were made which included them.   They were very
                  short, very black, and only half the height of an average American or
                  European.   'Where' did real 'science' and knowledge disappear to, as well
                  as the old film footage?   
                   
                  The pyramids off Hawaii are not so 'new,' and are probably contemporary
                  with those in California and Egypt, as they seem to go along with those styles, 
                  although many different
                  styles were contemporaneous, and some styles could
                  have been handed down from extremely ancient times, such as those built
                  on our own neighbor Mars.
                   
                  Thanks for the good note.
                  Kat
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                  Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:30 PM
                  Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                  Thanks Kat, but still into I. Donnelly in his book:  Atlantis the Aluvian World and Lumeria.  In 1806 his work was astounding and I am lucky to own a signed copy.  I know that sicence has come far since his writings, however I am 68 years now and I had many dream travels as a very young child and recalled life times in both these worlds ... maybe nothing today's science would care for, however it is still the path I follow.

                  Love and Light to All
                  ~ jc


                • Ancient Star
                  Hi TT, New - is a relative term. In the Americas, Hawaii, and the world, New (to me) would be within the last 2,000 years or so. Before this, would be
                  Message 8 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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                    Hi TT,
                     
                    "New" - is a relative term.  In the Americas, Hawaii, and the world, "New"
                    (to me) would be within the last 2,000 years or so.    Before this, would
                    be getting closer to "ancient" (to me).    But "ancient" is also a relative
                    term, just as there was a "Classical" Greece (about 600 B.C. with the
                    Achaeans), and an "archaic" Greece (prior to Classical Greece with the
                    Ionians,
                    i.e., the Hellenes/Athenians/Peloponnesians) which was the era
                    of Homer's novels of the Iliad and Odyssey.   Homer being an Ionian.
                     
                    I don't know if the stone pyramid formation in Rock Lake is really terribly
                    "ancient", along with its large triangle mound, and cairn/roundhouse wall,
                    or more recently "ancient"?   In either case, if they are recently "ancient"
                    we might know exactly "who" the builders were, because of the cultural
                    construction identifications, which I think are still pretty clear given there
                    was an ancient "Stonehenge-like" formation not too far away also sunken
                    in
                    a lake.  I believe these constructions are very obvious when one adds
                    them all up together, as we usually do the same with other pyramids and
                    formations.   We look for all the common identifying denominators. 
                     
                    Regards, Kat
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:36 PM
                    Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                    Ref:The pyramids off Hawaii are not so 'new,' and are probably contemporary with those in California and Egypt,

                    Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake Wisconsin a that are directly up the globe from Tulum or is Anghor Wat also relatively new???? How is that dating determined??
                    TT
                  • TallTrees2001
                    I don t necessarily agree, but it is an interesting perspective, Thank You TT ... From: Ancient Star Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries]
                    Message 9 of 12 , Apr 3, 2009
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                      I don't necessarily agree, but it is an interesting perspective,
                      Thank You
                      TT

                      --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ancient Star <ancientstar@...> wrote:

                      From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
                      Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island
                      To: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:17 PM

                      
                      Hi TT,
                       
                      "New" - is a relative term.  In the Americas, Hawaii, and the world, "New"
                      (to me) would be within the last 2,000 years or so.    Before this, would
                      be getting closer to "ancient" (to me).    But "ancient" is also a relative
                      term, just as there was a "Classical" Greece (about 600 B.C. with the
                      Achaeans), and an "archaic" Greece (prior to Classical Greece with the
                      Ionians,
                      i.e., the Hellenes/Athenians/Peloponnesians) which was the era
                      of Homer's novels of the Iliad and Odyssey.   Homer being an Ionian.
                       
                      I don't know if the stone pyramid formation in Rock Lake is really terribly
                      "ancient", along with its large triangle mound, and cairn/roundhouse wall,
                      or more recently "ancient"?   In either case, if they are recently "ancient"
                      we might know exactly "who" the builders were, because of the cultural
                      construction identifications, which I think are still pretty clear given there
                      was an ancient "Stonehenge-like" formation not too far away also sunken
                      in
                      a lake.  I believe these constructions are very obvious when one adds
                      them all up together, as we usually do the same with other pyramids and
                      formations.   We look for all the common identifying denominators. 
                       
                      Regards, Kat
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:36 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                      Ref:The pyramids off Hawaii are not so 'new,' and are probably contemporary with those in California and Egypt,

                      Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake Wisconsin a that are directly up the globe from Tulum or is Anghor Wat also relatively new???? How is that dating determined??
                      TT


                    • Ancient Star
                      T.T. and all, Please feel free to state your opinions and knowledge. We are interested in any information you might have that will broaden our ideas and
                      Message 10 of 12 , Apr 4, 2009
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                        T.T.  and all,
                         
                        Please feel free to state your opinions and knowledge.  We are
                        interested in any information you might have that will broaden
                        our ideas and knowledge on these subjects.
                         
                        Angkor Watt was built about 800 years ago 
                        as a temple complex at Angkor, Cambodia,
                        for king Suryavarman II, in the early 12th
                        century.  He was of the Khmer civilization.
                        Khmers were Hindus and followers of the
                        Mahayana school of Buddhism.  The Khmer Buddhist-kings
                        devoted their lives and kingdoms to the realization of their
                        spiritual convictions.    They were considered "Rogues."
                         
                         
                        Tulum (meaning wall) was also built around
                        1200 A.D., and  was called "Zama" for sun,
                        "City of the dawn" and built on a cliff
                        overlooking the Caribbean sea.
                        In Persian, "Zham/Sham" meant sun also.
                        The rest of the buildings
                        date from between 1200 to 1500 A.D.
                        Some Mayan words are close to Turkish words.   Mexico was
                        once called Tulle (the land/earth), and Turkey was called Anatolia->
                        Ana'Tullia (mother land/mother earth).  "Tulle/Tool" worked the land. 
                        Tool(s) had long handle-like "stems" as did tulle bushes. "Living out in
                        the Tulles."  Words often have ancient history riddled into them.

                        There
                        does not appear to be any "special" connections between
                        the places mentioned, except possibly the ancient Americas
                        having Phoenician inhabitants (who hailed from Turkey and Syria
                        et cetera, et al.).
                         
                        They were known to have hauled many peoples to the Americas
                        in their large sea going ships; mined ores, and kept shell fish
                        farms along Mexico's coasts for their special purple dyes.  They
                        called the Americas, "God's Country,"  and had mapped out the
                        trade routes and trade winds, sailed by the North Star.  The pole
                        stars they called "the Bear."   They also used navigational
                        time measurements for mariners.   The astrolabe was probably
                        their clock which measured time distances from under the center
                        of the great pyramid in Egypt.  This ancient center of navigational
                        time has since been removed from under Khufu's Pyramid to Greenwich
                        England for modern navigational time keeping.

                        Thanks a lot, Kat
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:25 PM
                        Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                        I don't necessarily agree, but it is an interesting perspective,
                        Thank You
                        TT
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:36 PM
                        Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island


                        Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake Wisconsin a that are directly up the globe from Tulum or is Anghor Wat also relatively new???? How is that dating determined??
                        TT
                         
                      • TallTrees2001
                        When you visit Tulum, did you feel anything special. Just like when you visit Pico Blanco do you feel the connection to Glastonbury??  Many of these sites
                        Message 11 of 12 , Apr 4, 2009
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                          When you visit Tulum, did you feel anything special. Just like when you visit Pico Blanco do you 'feel' the connection to Glastonbury??  Many of these sites are on the Grid which dates back a Gazillion years. And you can use.these sites telepathically.  Did you know that a leading question is why did Chichen Itza start to hum in the lest decade (question was on the Jonathan Zap web site and it was humming when I stepped into it).
                          TT

                          --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Ancient Star <ancientstar@...> wrote:

                          From: Ancient Star <ancientstar@...>
                          Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island
                          To: Atlantis_Mysteries@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 1:18 AM

                          
                          T.T.  and all,
                           
                          Please feel free to state your opinions and knowledge.  We are
                          interested in any information you might have that will broaden
                          our ideas and knowledge on these subjects.
                           
                          Angkor Watt was built about 800 years ago 
                          as a temple complex at Angkor, Cambodia,
                          for king Suryavarman II, in the early 12th
                          century.  He was of the Khmer civilization.
                          Khmers were Hindus and followers of the
                          Mahayana school of Buddhism.  The Khmer Buddhist-kings
                          devoted their lives and kingdoms to the realization of their
                          spiritual convictions.    They were considered "Rogues."
                           
                           
                          Tulum (meaning wall) was also built around
                          1200 A.D., and  was called "Zama" for sun,
                          "City of the dawn" and built on a cliff
                          overlooking the Caribbean sea.
                          In Persian, "Zham/Sham" meant sun also.
                          The rest of the buildings
                          date from between 1200 to 1500 A.D.
                          Some Mayan words are close to Turkish words.   Mexico was
                          once called Tulle (the land/earth), and Turkey was called Anatolia->
                          Ana'Tullia (mother land/mother earth).  "Tulle/Tool" worked the land. 
                          Tool(s) had long handle-like "stems" as did tulle bushes. "Living out in
                          the Tulles."  Words often have ancient history riddled into them.

                          There
                          does not appear to be any "special" connections between
                          the places mentioned, except possibly the ancient Americas
                          having Phoenician inhabitants (who hailed from Turkey and Syria
                          et cetera, et al.).
                           
                          They were known to have hauled many peoples to the Americas
                          in their large sea going ships; mined ores, and kept shell fish
                          farms along Mexico's coasts for their special purple dyes.  They
                          called the Americas, "God's Country,"  and had mapped out the
                          trade routes and trade winds, sailed by the North Star.  The pole
                          stars they called "the Bear."   They also used navigational
                          time measurements for mariners.   The astrolabe was probably
                          their clock which measured time distances from under the center
                          of the great pyramid in Egypt.  This ancient center of navigational
                          time has since been removed from under Khufu's Pyramid to Greenwich
                          England for modern navigational time keeping.

                          Thanks a lot, Kat
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:25 PM
                          Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                          I don't necessarily agree, but it is an interesting perspective,
                          Thank You
                          TT
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:36 PM
                          Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island


                          Does that include the pyramids in Rock  Lake Wisconsin a that are directly up the globe from Tulum or is Anghor Wat also relatively new???? How is that dating determined??
                          TT
                           


                        • Ancient Star
                          Yes TT, Thanks for the great input. You are correct about the electro-magnetic grid (with hum ). The universe is made out of these sonic (electro-magnetic)
                          Message 12 of 12 , Apr 6, 2009
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                            Yes TT,
                             
                            Thanks for the great input.
                             
                            You are correct about the "electro-magnetic" grid (with "hum").
                            The universe is made out of these sonic (electro-magnetic) waves. 
                             
                            Each electron and molecule is made of sonic, humming waves. Each
                            tone decides the shape of its ensuing formation/element.   The entire
                            universe hums, and "sings" - including each planet, moon, asteroid, etc.  
                            Each has its own "tune" or frequency.  And the various energy forces
                            within, and about them have their own various baroque "frequencies."
                            The universe is a symphony of sound(s), music.  And as astrophysics has
                            recently discovered, this "music" reaches at least 10 octaves above
                            human hearing.
                             
                             We've heard the old adage:  It's not over till the
                            "fat Lady sings".  "Hers" is an aria clean out of
                            range of any human hearing.   It is actually when her
                            "humming" stops, that all is allegedly "over" for the
                            universe. Then the universe of elements is supposed
                            to disperse back into its original silent nothingness
                            and is again "nothing"  -  until her humming begins again?
                             
                            Just some recent scientific findings, mixed in with a little ancient philosophy.
                            Will send some info on. 
                              :-)
                             
                            Kat
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:47 AM
                            Subject: Re: [Atlantis_Mysteries] Discovered: A sunken island

                            When you visit Tulum, did you feel anything special. Just like when you visit Pico Blanco do you 'feel' the connection to Glastonbury??  Many of these sites are on the Grid which dates back a Gazillion years. And you can use.these sites telepathically.  Did you know that a leading question is why did Chichen Itza start to hum in the lest decade (question was on the Jonathan Zap web site and it was humming when I stepped into it).
                            TT
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