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  • jkohnen@boat-links.com
    Other than helping a friend of mine steam some gunwales on an Indian canoe (he only needed to steam the ends, so he fastened the middle and stuck a piece of
    Message 1 of 17 , Oct 28, 2004
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      Other than helping a friend of mine steam some gunwales on an Indian canoe
      (he only needed to steam the ends, so he fastened the middle and stuck a
      piece of drainpipe over an end and shoved the hose from his pressure cooker
      into it, loosely sealing things with towels) I have no experience with
      steaming wood, but everyone I've met who's done much steaming says it's fun,
      not a miserable chore. But laminated frames in the Lady Joan's run are just
      fine, and her lines are so easy that there probably won't be any need to
      steam anything else.

      On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT), JohnM wrote:
      >
      > Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the inexperienced
      builder. My principle obstacle to building a traditionally planked boat is
      steam bending. I'm afraid, perhaps too much, of getting a serious burn. It
      also sounds like a hot, miserable task.
      > ...

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    • William E. Parker
      As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on boatbuilding, which may have now morphed into two books (I haven t looked recently), is very good
      Message 2 of 17 , Oct 29, 2004
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        As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on boatbuilding,
        which may have now morphed into two books (I haven't looked recently), is
        very good and the techniques result in a very fair hull. The method for
        dealing with planking thickness in developing stations is very well
        worked-out, and very quick.

        On the question of which books are important, I think all mentioned in the
        latest string have been very good and worth having.
        My interest trends more toward design than boatbuilding, but, for all his
        faults, Chapelle is indispensible in both. There are some books, like
        chapelle, which provide a good grounding in the basics of boatbuilding.
        Then there are boats that provide, here and there, excellent techniques for
        a particular operation, say spiling, or developing the angles on a
        breasthook. And that is why we all have more than two or three, because no
        book to date provides both a grounding in the basics, and all those "hints
        and tips". Or at least I haven't found it.

        Say, John, somebody should write that book...

        [William E. Parker] -----Original Message-----
        From: jkohnen@... [mailto:jkohnen@...]
        Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:28 PM
        To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books


        Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be
        helpful for builders of Atkin boats?

        Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've
        seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the
        Atkins'
        plywood boats:

        http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html

        Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine
        conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?

        On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:
        > ...
        > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent
        > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING
        > MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat
        > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George
        > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is
        > the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives
        > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple
        > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit
        > line, frame construction, interior construction,
        > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even
        > if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to
        > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all
        > three..
        > ...

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        One boat just leads to another.
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      • JohnyM7@excite.com
        I m speaking as a novice who has never built a planked boat. I m going to start with a small sailing skiff using the book Building Heidi , a step-by-step
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          I'm speaking as a novice who has never built a planked boat. I'm going to start with a small sailing skiff using the book "Building Heidi", a step-by-step instruction manual by Richard Kolin. This will allow me to develop my skills before building a cruising boat and will make it easier to understand more comprehensive books. Other small boat manuals are "Building Small Boats" by Gregg Rossel, and "Small Craft You Can Build", "Building Classic Small Craft", and "The Dory Book" by John Gardner. I still have Payson's and Devlin's books from building a plywood boat, and I'm ordering the Chapelle and Buehler books. William is right, I think we will all end up with pretty good libraries. Best of luck with whatever you build.

          JohnM




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          Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:27:42 -0700
          Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books

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          Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be<BR>
          helpful for builders of Atkin boats?<BR>
          <BR>
          Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've<BR>
          seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the Atkins'<BR>
          plywood boats:<BR>
          <BR>
          <a href="http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html">http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html</a><BR>
          <BR>
          Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine<BR>
          conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?<BR>
          <BR>
          On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:<BR>
          > ...<BR>
          > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
          > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
          > MANUAL."� However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
          > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
          > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding."� This is<BR>
          > the book that George calls his shop manual.�� It gives<BR>
          > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
          > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
          > line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
          > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
          > if you're not building a boat.� Very clear, easy to<BR>
          > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
          > three..<BR>
          > ...<BR>
          <BR>
          --<BR>
          ������������������������ John <jkohnen@...><BR>
          ������������������������� <a href="http://www.boat-links.com/">http://www.boat-links.com/</a><BR>
          ��������������������� One boat just leads to another.<BR>
          ������������������������������ <John Kohnen><BR>
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        • DirtSailor
          John, I have a Heidi that is ready for planking. It has been that way for close to three years now. Other boats have taken my away from her. Good luck.
          Message 4 of 17 , Oct 30, 2004
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            John,

            I have a Heidi that is ready for planking. It has been that way for close to three years now. Other boats have taken my away from her. Good luck.

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          • Scott
            William hit the nail-on-the-head... I can t begin to count the number of books I ve read and learned a tip or technique in some phase of building a boat. I
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 31, 2004
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              William hit the nail-on-the-head... I can't begin to count the
              number of books I've read and learned a tip or technique in some
              phase of building a boat. I just looked at my copy of "From a Bare
              Hull" by Ferenc Mate copyright 1975. Although, the book is about
              finishing a fiberglass bare hull, the tecchiques can be used for any
              hull material.. So may ideas I don't dare get rid of it. That book
              survived my last spring cleaning. So many others, the so-so ones,
              have been donated to the local library.

              John you should think about William's suggestion. From what I've
              seen at each of your web sites, you could write such a book..

              Scott


              In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, "William E. Parker" <wmeparker@c...>
              wrote:
              > As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on
              boatbuilding,
              > which may have now morphed into two books (I haven't looked
              recently), is
              > very good and the techniques result in a very fair hull. The
              method for
              > dealing with planking thickness in developing stations is very well
              > worked-out, and very quick.
              >
              > On the question of which books are important, I think all mentioned
              in the
              > latest string have been very good and worth having.
              > My interest trends more toward design than boatbuilding, but, for
              all his
              > faults, Chapelle is indispensible in both. There are some books,
              like
              > chapelle, which provide a good grounding in the basics of
              boatbuilding.
              > Then there are boats that provide, here and there, excellent
              techniques for
              > a particular operation, say spiling, or developing the angles on a
              > breasthook. And that is why we all have more than two or three,
              because no
              > book to date provides both a grounding in the basics, and all
              those "hints
              > and tips". Or at least I haven't found it.
              >
              > Say, John, somebody should write that book...
              >
            • Scott
              JohnM, Just found an article you might be interested in reading. It s February 15, 2001 issue from Messing About in Boats titled A $10 - 10 Minute Steam
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 31, 2004
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                JohnM, Just found an article you might be interested in reading.
                It's February 15, 2001 issue from "Messing About in Boats" titled "A
                $10 - 10 Minute Steam Box" By Jack Dice. Click on the link.
                http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuefebruary01.html

                Enjoy.

                Scott
              • JohnyM7@excite.com
                Thanks Scott. It sounds like a great idea. JohnM ... From: Scott [mailto: sdholt@yahoo.com] To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:31:20
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                  Thanks Scott. It sounds like a great idea.

                  JohnM




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                  Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:31:20 -0000
                  Subject: [AtkinBoats] Re: Lady Joan

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                  JohnM,� Just found an article you might be interested in reading.� <BR>
                  It's February 15, 2001 issue from "Messing About in Boats" titled "A <BR>
                  $10 - 10 Minute Steam Box" By Jack Dice. Click on the link.<BR>
                  <a href="http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuefebruary01.html">http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuefebruary01.html</a><BR>
                  <BR>
                  Enjoy.<BR>
                  <BR>
                  Scott<BR>
                  <BR>
                  <BR>
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                • JohnyM7@excite.com
                  There is another book I intend to purchase, Boatbuilding in Your Own Backyard by Sam Rabl. Rabl designed boats for backyard builders all his life. His book
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                    There is another book I intend to purchase, "Boatbuilding in Your Own Backyard" by Sam Rabl. Rabl designed boats for backyard builders all his life. His book is probably out-of-date regarding manufacturers, suppliers and products, but I am sure it contains a great deal of useful information for the amateur builder.

                    JohnM




                    --- On Thu 10/28, jkohnen@... wrote:
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                    Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:27:42 -0700
                    Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books

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                    <tt>
                    Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be<BR>
                    helpful for builders of Atkin boats?<BR>
                    <BR>
                    Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've<BR>
                    seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the Atkins'<BR>
                    plywood boats:<BR>
                    <BR>
                    <a href="http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html">http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html</a><BR>
                    <BR>
                    Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine<BR>
                    conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?<BR>
                    <BR>
                    On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:<BR>
                    ...<BR>
                    "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
                    reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
                    MANUAL."� However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
                    or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
                    Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding."� This is<BR>
                    the book that George calls his shop manual.�� It gives<BR>
                    step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
                    the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
                    line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
                    building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
                    if you're not building a boat.� Very clear, easy to<BR>
                    follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
                    three..<BR>
                    ...<BR>
                    <BR>
                    --<BR>
                    ������������������������ John <jkohnen@...><BR>
                    ������������������������� <a href="http://www.boat-links.com/">http://www.boat-links.com/</a><BR>
                    ��������������������� One boat just leads to another.<BR>
                    ������������������������������ <John Kohnen><BR>
                    <BR>
                    <BR>
                    <BR>
                    </tt>

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