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  • Scott Holt
    Don t see why not since its a V-Bottom boat, perfect for sawn frames. But the way, the book The Gougeon Brothers on Boat Construction provide an alternative
    Message 1 of 17 , Oct 25, 2004
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      Don't see why not since its a V-Bottom boat, perfect
      for sawn frames. But the way, the book "The Gougeon
      Brothers on Boat Construction" provide an alternative
      method to steam frames. Using thin strips and
      laminate to the desired thickness. "Lady Joan" is a
      great design. Nice choice. Scott




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      ... Thanks for the tip on the Gougen Brothers book. JohnM
      Message 2 of 17 , Oct 25, 2004
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        --- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holt <sdholt@y...> wrote:
        > Don't see why not since its a V-Bottom boat, perfect
        > for sawn frames. But the way, the book "The Gougeon
        > Brothers on Boat Construction" provide an alternative
        > method to steam frames. Using thin strips and
        > laminate to the desired thickness. "Lady Joan" is a
        > great design. Nice choice. Scott
        >
        Thanks for the tip on the Gougen Brothers' book.
        JohnM
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      • jkohnen@boat-links.com
        The how-to-build article for Lady Joan doesn t say anything about steam-bent frames, but the few frames in the run where the underwater sections are concave
        Message 3 of 17 , Oct 27, 2004
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          The how-to-build article for Lady Joan doesn't say anything about steam-bent
          frames, but the few frames in the run where the underwater sections are
          concave should really be sawn from natural crooks. It'd be tempting to use
          steam bent frames there instead, maybe two layers of 1 1/4" x 1" oak to make
          up the 1 1/4" wide by 2" thick frames. Building the curved frames from
          thinner glued laminations would also be an excellent choice. Some people
          have mentioned troubles from gluing white oak with epoxy, so you might want
          to use a different wood for laminated frames, or a different glue.

          The Atkin plans and their accompanying how-to articles don't hold your hand
          every step of the way. They assume a familiarity with tools and how a boat
          goes together, and a willingness to stop and think now and then, that might
          daunt some modern amateurs. Fortunately there is a plethora of reading
          material available to help us learn how to build a wooden boat. A good start
          is BOATBUILDING by Howard Chapelle. Except for one or two dinks, all the
          Atkin boats must be lofted before you start building. I've heard that the
          book LOFTING by by Allan H. Vaitses gives an excellent explanation of the
          process. Some folks have complained that Chapelle is a bit confusing in his
          treatment of lofting... One of these days (soon) I'll put together a list of
          boatbuilding books that would be helpful to someone building an Atkin boat.
          I've also got a couple of old texts on the subject I may put online
          someday...

          Lady Joan is a beauty! I hope JohnM builds her. He'll be performing a public
          service by putting such a pretty boat into his local waters! :o)

          On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:22:07 -0000, JohnM wrote:
          >
          > I have been admiring the canoe yawl Lady Joan. Does anyone know if
          > she can be built using sawn frames rather than steam bent?

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        • Scott Holt
          John is right about oak and epoxy does not mix well. You can use white ash, rock elm, and apitong in that order of preference for steam bending. Don t
          Message 4 of 17 , Oct 28, 2004
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            John is right about oak and epoxy does not mix well.
            You can use white ash, rock elm, and apitong in that
            order of preference for steam bending. Don't
            substitute red oak for white.. That's big trouble.

            "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent
            reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING
            MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat
            or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George
            Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is
            the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives
            step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple
            the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit
            line, frame construction, interior construction,
            building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even
            if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to
            follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all
            three..

            Good luck and don't give up the dream....

            Scott




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          • JohnyM7@excite.com
            Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the inexperienced builder. My principle obstacle to building a traditionally planked boat is steam
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 28, 2004
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              Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the inexperienced builder. My principle obstacle to building a traditionally planked boat is steam bending. I'm afraid, perhaps too much, of getting a serious burn. It also sounds like a hot, miserable task.

              I was considering building a plywood boat, but after building a one man plywood dory, reading messages of other plywood builders and their problems, reading Sam Devlin's fine book on plywood boat building, and discovering that there were boats that could be built using sawn frames I decided on traditional construction. I will post at a later time my reasons for choosing planked construction over plywood, in case there are other group members who are still undecided as to which method they should use.

              Finding the At kin design catalog on line has been like striking gold. I consider approximately 5,000 lbs. to be the limit of what I can afford to build and also complete in a reasonable amount of time. I am leaning toward Lady Joan because I have a soft spot for double-enders in general and canoe yawls in particular, although I will also look at a couple of the other designs. Lady Joan is an especially beautiful example of the canoe yawl. Her modified full keel should make her more suited to blue water than most canoe yawls with their shoal-draft centerboard arrangements. Her three foot five inch draft should still allow her to be anchored close to shore. Building with sawn frames and using laminated frames where necessary should put her within my abilities. I will test both the wood and the glue by gluing wood samples together and then alternately boiling and freezing the glued wood twice.

              The dory I built required lofting. I screwed it up at first and ruined a sheet of plywood, but I don't find the process intimidating.

              George Buehler's book seems to be the most up-to-date, although Chapelle's book appears to be the most extensive reference. I will probably buy both.

              Thanks again for your ideas and comments. They are a big help.

              JohnM








              --- On Thu 10/28, Scott Holt sdholt@... wrote:
              From: Scott Holt [mailto: sdholt@...]
              To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
              Subject: Re: [AtkinBoats] Lady Joan

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              John is right about oak and epoxy does not mix well.<BR>
              You can use white ash, rock elm, and apitong in that<BR>
              order of preference for steam bending.� Don't<BR>
              substitute red oak for white.. That's big trouble.<BR>
              <BR>
              "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
              reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
              MANUAL."� However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
              or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
              Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding."� This is<BR>
              the book that George calls his shop manual.�� It gives<BR>
              step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
              the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
              line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
              building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
              if you're not building a boat.� Very clear, easy to<BR>
              follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
              three..<BR>
              <BR>
              Good luck and don't give up the dream....<BR>
              <BR>
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            • adharvey2
              John, I hope someone with more experience as it relates to boats will comment on this, but as a furniture maker I don t think you should be so intimidated by
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 28, 2004
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                John, I hope someone with more experience as it relates to boats will
                comment on this, but as a furniture maker I don't think you should
                be so intimidated by steam bending. I make chair rockers, arms, and
                seat frames on a regular basis, and the process is not dificult or
                dangerous. With boat ribs it should be even easier, as there are no
                reenforcing straps needed (because of the large radii) or drying forms
                (they dry in the boat). I use an old pressure cooker as a boiler
                (remember there is NO PRESSURE involved) heated by a propane burner. I
                should think you could steam several ribs at a time in a pvc pipe or
                plywood steam box and the process should go smoothly. You only need
                gloves to remove the parts from the box - the outside of the wood
                cools very quickly. Again, I've never done boat ribs, so I hope
                someone who has will chime in.
                Good luck,
                Andrew Harvey

                --- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, "" <JohnyM7@e...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the
                inexperienced builder. My principle obstacle to building a
                traditionally planked boat is steam bending. I'm afraid, perhaps too
                much, of getting a serious burn. It also sounds like a hot, miserable
                task.
                >
                > I was considering building a plywood boat, but after building a one
                man plywood dory, reading messages of other plywood builders and their
                problems, reading Sam Devlin's fine book on plywood boat building, and
                discovering that there were boats that could be built using sawn
                frames I decided on traditional construction. I will post at a later
                time my reasons for choosing planked construction over plywood, in
                case there are other group members who are still undecided as to which
                method they should use.
                >
                > Finding the At kin design catalog on line has been like striking
                gold. I consider approximately 5,000 lbs. to be the limit of what I
                can afford to build and also complete in a reasonable amount of time.
                I am leaning toward Lady Joan because I have a soft spot for
                double-enders in general and canoe yawls in particular, although I
                will also look at a couple of the other designs. Lady Joan is an
                especially beautiful example of the canoe yawl. Her modified full
                keel should make her more suited to blue water than most canoe yawls
                with their shoal-draft centerboard arrangements. Her three foot five
                inch draft should still allow her to be anchored close to shore.
                Building with sawn frames and using laminated frames where necessary
                should put her within my abilities. I will test both the wood and the
                glue by gluing wood samples together and then alternately boiling and
                freezing the glued wood twice.
                >
                > The dory I built required lofting. I screwed it up at first and
                ruined a sheet of plywood, but I don't find the process intimidating.
                >
                > George Buehler's book seems to be the most up-to-date, although
                Chapelle's book appears to be the most extensive reference. I will
                probably buy both.
                >
                > Thanks again for your ideas and comments. They are a big help.
                >
                > JohnM
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --- On Thu 10/28, Scott Holt sdholt@y... wrote:
                > From: Scott Holt [mailto: sdholt@y...]
                > To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
                > Subject: Re: [AtkinBoats] Lady Joan
                >
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                > John is right about oak and epoxy does not mix well.<BR>
                > You can use white ash, rock elm, and apitong in that<BR>
                > order of preference for steam bending. Don't<BR>
                > substitute red oak for white.. That's big trouble.<BR>
                > <BR>
                > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
                > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
                > MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
                > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
                > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is<BR>
                > the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives<BR>
                > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
                > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
                > line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
                > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
                > if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to<BR>
                > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
                > three..<BR>
                > <BR>
                > Good luck and don't give up the dream....<BR>
                > <BR>
                > Scott<BR>
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              • John B. Trussell
                I used a PVC pipe for a steam box, and I don t recommend it. When it fills with steam, the resulting heat causes it to sag and getting the steamed wood out of
                Message 7 of 17 , Oct 28, 2004
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                  I used a PVC pipe for a steam box, and I don't recommend it. When it fills with steam, the resulting heat causes it to sag and getting the steamed wood out of the pipe is a hassle, A plywood steam box wouldn't have that problem. Steaming is not particularly dangerous or difficult. There should not be any steam pressure. When the wood comes out of the box it is hot, and needs to be handled with gloves. If you are going to "walk the frame in", you need boots and long pants. Green wood steams better than dry wood. It is likely that you will break a piece or two; plan a little extra material. It sounds complicated, but if you steam the wood about 20 minutes and bend it to shape fairly quickly, steaming is easy and requires a lot less skill than cutting a rabbet or spiling a plank.

                  John T
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: adharvey2
                  To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:15 PM
                  Subject: [AtkinBoats] Re: Lady Joan



                  John, I hope someone with more experience as it relates to boats will
                  comment on this, but as a furniture maker I don't think you should
                  be so intimidated by steam bending. I make chair rockers, arms, and
                  seat frames on a regular basis, and the process is not dificult or
                  dangerous. With boat ribs it should be even easier, as there are no
                  reenforcing straps needed (because of the large radii) or drying forms
                  (they dry in the boat). I use an old pressure cooker as a boiler
                  (remember there is NO PRESSURE involved) heated by a propane burner. I
                  should think you could steam several ribs at a time in a pvc pipe or
                  plywood steam box and the process should go smoothly. You only need
                  gloves to remove the parts from the box - the outside of the wood
                  cools very quickly. Again, I've never done boat ribs, so I hope
                  someone who has will chime in.
                  Good luck,
                  Andrew Harvey

                  --- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, "" <JohnyM7@e...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the
                  inexperienced builder. My principle obstacle to building a
                  traditionally planked boat is steam bending. I'm afraid, perhaps too
                  much, of getting a serious burn. It also sounds like a hot, miserable
                  task.
                  >
                  > I was considering building a plywood boat, but after building a one
                  man plywood dory, reading messages of other plywood builders and their
                  problems, reading Sam Devlin's fine book on plywood boat building, and
                  discovering that there were boats that could be built using sawn
                  frames I decided on traditional construction. I will post at a later
                  time my reasons for choosing planked construction over plywood, in
                  case there are other group members who are still undecided as to which
                  method they should use.
                  >
                  > Finding the At kin design catalog on line has been like striking
                  gold. I consider approximately 5,000 lbs. to be the limit of what I
                  can afford to build and also complete in a reasonable amount of time.
                  I am leaning toward Lady Joan because I have a soft spot for
                  double-enders in general and canoe yawls in particular, although I
                  will also look at a couple of the other designs. Lady Joan is an
                  especially beautiful example of the canoe yawl. Her modified full
                  keel should make her more suited to blue water than most canoe yawls
                  with their shoal-draft centerboard arrangements. Her three foot five
                  inch draft should still allow her to be anchored close to shore.
                  Building with sawn frames and using laminated frames where necessary
                  should put her within my abilities. I will test both the wood and the
                  glue by gluing wood samples together and then alternately boiling and
                  freezing the glued wood twice.
                  >
                  > The dory I built required lofting. I screwed it up at first and
                  ruined a sheet of plywood, but I don't find the process intimidating.
                  >
                  > George Buehler's book seems to be the most up-to-date, although
                  Chapelle's book appears to be the most extensive reference. I will
                  probably buy both.
                  >
                  > Thanks again for your ideas and comments. They are a big help.
                  >
                  > JohnM
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- On Thu 10/28, Scott Holt sdholt@y... wrote:
                  > From: Scott Holt [mailto: sdholt@y...]
                  > To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
                  > Subject: Re: [AtkinBoats] Lady Joan
                  >
                  > <html><body>
                  >
                  >
                  > <tt>
                  > John is right about oak and epoxy does not mix well.<BR>
                  > You can use white ash, rock elm, and apitong in that<BR>
                  > order of preference for steam bending. Don't<BR>
                  > substitute red oak for white.. That's big trouble.<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
                  > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
                  > MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
                  > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
                  > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is<BR>
                  > the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives<BR>
                  > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
                  > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
                  > line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
                  > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
                  > if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to<BR>
                  > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
                  > three..<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > Good luck and don't give up the dream....<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > Scott<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > <BR>
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                • jkohnen@boat-links.com
                  Other than helping a friend of mine steam some gunwales on an Indian canoe (he only needed to steam the ends, so he fastened the middle and stuck a piece of
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                    Other than helping a friend of mine steam some gunwales on an Indian canoe
                    (he only needed to steam the ends, so he fastened the middle and stuck a
                    piece of drainpipe over an end and shoved the hose from his pressure cooker
                    into it, loosely sealing things with towels) I have no experience with
                    steaming wood, but everyone I've met who's done much steaming says it's fun,
                    not a miserable chore. But laminated frames in the Lady Joan's run are just
                    fine, and her lines are so easy that there probably won't be any need to
                    steam anything else.

                    On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT), JohnM wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks guys for the advice. Your words are valuable to the inexperienced
                    builder. My principle obstacle to building a traditionally planked boat is
                    steam bending. I'm afraid, perhaps too much, of getting a serious burn. It
                    also sounds like a hot, miserable task.
                    > ...

                    --
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                  • jkohnen@boat-links.com
                    Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be helpful for builders of Atkin boats? Glen-L s BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in
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                      Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be
                      helpful for builders of Atkin boats?

                      Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've
                      seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the Atkins'
                      plywood boats:

                      http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html

                      Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine
                      conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?

                      On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:
                      > ...
                      > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent
                      > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING
                      > MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat
                      > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George
                      > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is
                      > the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives
                      > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple
                      > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit
                      > line, frame construction, interior construction,
                      > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even
                      > if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to
                      > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all
                      > three..
                      > ...

                      --
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                      One boat just leads to another.
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                    • William E. Parker
                      As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on boatbuilding, which may have now morphed into two books (I haven t looked recently), is very good
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                        As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on boatbuilding,
                        which may have now morphed into two books (I haven't looked recently), is
                        very good and the techniques result in a very fair hull. The method for
                        dealing with planking thickness in developing stations is very well
                        worked-out, and very quick.

                        On the question of which books are important, I think all mentioned in the
                        latest string have been very good and worth having.
                        My interest trends more toward design than boatbuilding, but, for all his
                        faults, Chapelle is indispensible in both. There are some books, like
                        chapelle, which provide a good grounding in the basics of boatbuilding.
                        Then there are boats that provide, here and there, excellent techniques for
                        a particular operation, say spiling, or developing the angles on a
                        breasthook. And that is why we all have more than two or three, because no
                        book to date provides both a grounding in the basics, and all those "hints
                        and tips". Or at least I haven't found it.

                        Say, John, somebody should write that book...

                        [William E. Parker] -----Original Message-----
                        From: jkohnen@... [mailto:jkohnen@...]
                        Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:28 PM
                        To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books


                        Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be
                        helpful for builders of Atkin boats?

                        Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've
                        seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the
                        Atkins'
                        plywood boats:

                        http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html

                        Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine
                        conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?

                        On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:
                        > ...
                        > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent
                        > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING
                        > MANUAL." However, if you are building your first boat
                        > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George
                        > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding." This is
                        > the book that George calls his shop manual. It gives
                        > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple
                        > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit
                        > line, frame construction, interior construction,
                        > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even
                        > if you're not building a boat. Very clear, easy to
                        > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all
                        > three..
                        > ...

                        --
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                        http://www.boat-links.com/
                        One boat just leads to another.
                        <John Kohnen>





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                      • JohnyM7@excite.com
                        I m speaking as a novice who has never built a planked boat. I m going to start with a small sailing skiff using the book Building Heidi , a step-by-step
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                          I'm speaking as a novice who has never built a planked boat. I'm going to start with a small sailing skiff using the book "Building Heidi", a step-by-step instruction manual by Richard Kolin. This will allow me to develop my skills before building a cruising boat and will make it easier to understand more comprehensive books. Other small boat manuals are "Building Small Boats" by Gregg Rossel, and "Small Craft You Can Build", "Building Classic Small Craft", and "The Dory Book" by John Gardner. I still have Payson's and Devlin's books from building a plywood boat, and I'm ordering the Chapelle and Buehler books. William is right, I think we will all end up with pretty good libraries. Best of luck with whatever you build.

                          JohnM




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                          Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:27:42 -0700
                          Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books

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                          Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be<BR>
                          helpful for builders of Atkin boats?<BR>
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                          Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've<BR>
                          seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the Atkins'<BR>
                          plywood boats:<BR>
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                          <a href="http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html">http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html</a><BR>
                          <BR>
                          Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine<BR>
                          conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?<BR>
                          <BR>
                          On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:<BR>
                          > ...<BR>
                          > "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
                          > reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
                          > MANUAL."� However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
                          > or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
                          > Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding."� This is<BR>
                          > the book that George calls his shop manual.�� It gives<BR>
                          > step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
                          > the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
                          > line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
                          > building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
                          > if you're not building a boat.� Very clear, easy to<BR>
                          > follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
                          > three..<BR>
                          > ...<BR>
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                        • DirtSailor
                          John, I have a Heidi that is ready for planking. It has been that way for close to three years now. Other boats have taken my away from her. Good luck.
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                            John,

                            I have a Heidi that is ready for planking. It has been that way for close to three years now. Other boats have taken my away from her. Good luck.

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                          • Scott
                            William hit the nail-on-the-head... I can t begin to count the number of books I ve read and learned a tip or technique in some phase of building a boat. I
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                              William hit the nail-on-the-head... I can't begin to count the
                              number of books I've read and learned a tip or technique in some
                              phase of building a boat. I just looked at my copy of "From a Bare
                              Hull" by Ferenc Mate copyright 1975. Although, the book is about
                              finishing a fiberglass bare hull, the tecchiques can be used for any
                              hull material.. So may ideas I don't dare get rid of it. That book
                              survived my last spring cleaning. So many others, the so-so ones,
                              have been donated to the local library.

                              John you should think about William's suggestion. From what I've
                              seen at each of your web sites, you could write such a book..

                              Scott


                              In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, "William E. Parker" <wmeparker@c...>
                              wrote:
                              > As far as lofting is concerned, I think the Gougeon book on
                              boatbuilding,
                              > which may have now morphed into two books (I haven't looked
                              recently), is
                              > very good and the techniques result in a very fair hull. The
                              method for
                              > dealing with planking thickness in developing stations is very well
                              > worked-out, and very quick.
                              >
                              > On the question of which books are important, I think all mentioned
                              in the
                              > latest string have been very good and worth having.
                              > My interest trends more toward design than boatbuilding, but, for
                              all his
                              > faults, Chapelle is indispensible in both. There are some books,
                              like
                              > chapelle, which provide a good grounding in the basics of
                              boatbuilding.
                              > Then there are boats that provide, here and there, excellent
                              techniques for
                              > a particular operation, say spiling, or developing the angles on a
                              > breasthook. And that is why we all have more than two or three,
                              because no
                              > book to date provides both a grounding in the basics, and all
                              those "hints
                              > and tips". Or at least I haven't found it.
                              >
                              > Say, John, somebody should write that book...
                              >
                            • Scott
                              JohnM, Just found an article you might be interested in reading. It s February 15, 2001 issue from Messing About in Boats titled A $10 - 10 Minute Steam
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                                JohnM, Just found an article you might be interested in reading.
                                It's February 15, 2001 issue from "Messing About in Boats" titled "A
                                $10 - 10 Minute Steam Box" By Jack Dice. Click on the link.
                                http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuefebruary01.html

                                Enjoy.

                                Scott
                              • JohnyM7@excite.com
                                Thanks Scott. It sounds like a great idea. JohnM ... From: Scott [mailto: sdholt@yahoo.com] To: AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:31:20
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                                  Thanks Scott. It sounds like a great idea.

                                  JohnM




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                                  Subject: [AtkinBoats] Re: Lady Joan

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                                  It's February 15, 2001 issue from "Messing About in Boats" titled "A <BR>
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                                • JohnyM7@excite.com
                                  There is another book I intend to purchase, Boatbuilding in Your Own Backyard by Sam Rabl. Rabl designed boats for backyard builders all his life. His book
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Nov 8, 2004
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                                    There is another book I intend to purchase, "Boatbuilding in Your Own Backyard" by Sam Rabl. Rabl designed boats for backyard builders all his life. His book is probably out-of-date regarding manufacturers, suppliers and products, but I am sure it contains a great deal of useful information for the amateur builder.

                                    JohnM




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                                    Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:27:42 -0700
                                    Subject: [AtkinBoats] Boatbuilding Books

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                                    Anybody have any other suggestions for boatbuilding books that would be<BR>
                                    helpful for builders of Atkin boats?<BR>
                                    <BR>
                                    Glen-L's BOATBUILDING WITH PLYWOOD, at least in the earlier editions I've<BR>
                                    seen in used book stores, seems like a good one for builder's of the Atkins'<BR>
                                    plywood boats:<BR>
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                                    <a href="http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html">http://www.glen-l.com/books/bb.html</a><BR>
                                    <BR>
                                    Their book on engine installation mainly covers large auto engine<BR>
                                    conversions. Anybody know of a good book that covers engine installation?<BR>
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                                    On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote:<BR>
                                    ...<BR>
                                    "BOATBUILDING" by Howard I. Chapelle is excellent<BR>
                                    reference as well as Robert M. Steward's "BOATBUILDING<BR>
                                    MANUAL."� However, if you are building your first boat<BR>
                                    or a bit larger boat I would have to recommend George<BR>
                                    Buehler's "Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding."� This is<BR>
                                    the book that George calls his shop manual.�� It gives<BR>
                                    step-by-step instructions from lofting (very simple<BR>
                                    the George way), laying the keel, cutting the rabbit<BR>
                                    line, frame construction, interior construction,<BR>
                                    building a mast, everything, and its fun to read, even<BR>
                                    if you're not building a boat.� Very clear, easy to<BR>
                                    follow with lots of drawings and photos.. I have all<BR>
                                    three..<BR>
                                    ...<BR>
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                                    --<BR>
                                    ������������������������ John <jkohnen@...><BR>
                                    ������������������������� <a href="http://www.boat-links.com/">http://www.boat-links.com/</a><BR>
                                    ��������������������� One boat just leads to another.<BR>
                                    ������������������������������ <John Kohnen><BR>
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