1970Re: Testing Billy Atkin's "Shoals Runner"
- May 30, 2008What the ...... hey, how did I get in the "Wooden Boat" forum?
.....must have.... clicked wrong .....
--- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald A. Fossum" <artemis@...> wrote:
> My sincere apologies Ken. I truly misunderstood you. To use
> my "apples and oranges" test - and I do not mean this humorously -
> you really want to test apples and oranges to see which is better.
> OK. I was homeing in more on the concept of testing similar, not dis-
> similar hull designs. I just didn't understand a purpose in looking
> for a comparison in fuel efficiency between significantly different
> hul designs - but I can see the value.
> Ron Fossum
> --- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome
> <bagacayboatworks@> wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> > > Duh Ken, the only way one can make a valid
> > > comparison is by comparing similar designs.
> > For the sake of argument let's say I agree with this
> > position. The next question is:
> > Who gets to determine which design feature makes the two
> > boats 'similar'? Are YOU the final judge in making this
> > determination? Or might the people for whom I'm doing
> > these tests have some say in this matter? After all, I am
> > doing the tests for them, not you, so perhaps their
> > priorities and opinions should be considered here?
> > I already explained to John Kohnen and everyone else that
> > these tests are designed to prove which hull is more fuel
> > efficient. That's all these tests are about, and anything
> > you or John or anyone else say to try to make shoal draft
> > part of the equation is not going to change things. Shoal
> > draft may be important to some of you, but it is not
> > important to the folks who want a simple and
> > straightforward answer to the question these tests are
> > designed to answer.
> > So ...
> > If you have some factual evidence that clearly proves which
> > hull is more efficiently driven, I encourage you to post
> > it. But if all you have is theories and assumptions, I
> > would like to ask you to please be a little more 'open
> > minded' and consider the possibility that other people are
> > interested in learning the answer to this particular
> > question, regardless of whether or not you personally think
> > you know the answer yourself.
> > I fail to understand what's so hard to understand about this
> > scenario anyways, so let me use John Kohnen's example in my
> > next post to illustrate the situation in a simple
> > manner ...
> > Sincerely,
> > Ken Grome
> > Bagacay Boatworks
> > www.bagacayboatworks.com
> > P.S. Please stop calling me names. I may very well be a
> > twit for all I know, but whether I am or not, I think name
> > calling is something we as adults should be willing to
> > refrain from in a respectful online discussion.
> > > "Some of us simply want to know -- for a fact -- whether
> > > the Atkin boats are more or less fuel efficient than the
> > > others."
> > >
> > > Atkin designed power boats, sail boats, and row boats.
> > > Gee, which one of these is the most fuel efficient. Well,
> > > some would say a sailboat - but what about when there's
> > > no wind. Some would say a row boat, but one has to take
> > > into account the food consumed by the "rower". Etc.
> > >
> > > Duh Ken, the only way one can make a valid comparison is
> > > by comparing similar designs. Tunnel stern and Seabright
> > > skiff are NOT similar designs. Neither is a Seabright
> > > skiff and a Poulsbo. Nor is one of the Tolman boats!
> > > You're a boat builder. You know that. Stop being such a
> > > twit.
> > >
> > > Ron Fossum
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