1969Re: Testing Billy Atkin's "Shoals Runner"
- May 30, 2008My sincere apologies Ken. I truly misunderstood you. To use
my "apples and oranges" test - and I do not mean this humorously -
you really want to test apples and oranges to see which is better.
OK. I was homeing in more on the concept of testing similar, not dis-
similar hull designs. I just didn't understand a purpose in looking
for a comparison in fuel efficiency between significantly different
hul designs - but I can see the value.
--- In AtkinBoats@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome
> Hi Ron,
> > Duh Ken, the only way one can make a valid
> > comparison is by comparing similar designs.
> For the sake of argument let's say I agree with this
> position. The next question is:
> Who gets to determine which design feature makes the two
> boats 'similar'? Are YOU the final judge in making this
> determination? Or might the people for whom I'm doing
> these tests have some say in this matter? After all, I am
> doing the tests for them, not you, so perhaps their
> priorities and opinions should be considered here?
> I already explained to John Kohnen and everyone else that
> these tests are designed to prove which hull is more fuel
> efficient. That's all these tests are about, and anything
> you or John or anyone else say to try to make shoal draft
> part of the equation is not going to change things. Shoal
> draft may be important to some of you, but it is not
> important to the folks who want a simple and
> straightforward answer to the question these tests are
> designed to answer.
> So ...
> If you have some factual evidence that clearly proves which
> hull is more efficiently driven, I encourage you to post
> it. But if all you have is theories and assumptions, I
> would like to ask you to please be a little more 'open
> minded' and consider the possibility that other people are
> interested in learning the answer to this particular
> question, regardless of whether or not you personally think
> you know the answer yourself.
> I fail to understand what's so hard to understand about this
> scenario anyways, so let me use John Kohnen's example in my
> next post to illustrate the situation in a simple
> manner ...
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> P.S. Please stop calling me names. I may very well be a
> twit for all I know, but whether I am or not, I think name
> calling is something we as adults should be willing to
> refrain from in a respectful online discussion.
> > "Some of us simply want to know -- for a fact -- whether
> > the Atkin boats are more or less fuel efficient than the
> > others."
> > Atkin designed power boats, sail boats, and row boats.
> > Gee, which one of these is the most fuel efficient. Well,
> > some would say a sailboat - but what about when there's
> > no wind. Some would say a row boat, but one has to take
> > into account the food consumed by the "rower". Etc.
> > Duh Ken, the only way one can make a valid comparison is
> > by comparing similar designs. Tunnel stern and Seabright
> > skiff are NOT similar designs. Neither is a Seabright
> > skiff and a Poulsbo. Nor is one of the Tolman boats!
> > You're a boat builder. You know that. Stop being such a
> > twit.
> > Ron Fossum
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