1962Re: [AtkinBoats] Testing Billy Atkin's "Shoals Runner"
- May 29, 2008"Some of us simply want to know -- for a fact -- whether the
Atkin boats are more or less fuel efficient than the others."
Atkin designed power boats, sail boats, and row boats. Gee, which one of
these is the most fuel efficient. Well, some would say a sailboat - but what
about when there's no wind. Some would say a row boat, but one has to take
into account the food consumed by the "rower". Etc.
Duh Ken, the only way one can make a valid comparison is by comparing
similar designs. Tunnel stern and Seabright skiff are NOT similar designs.
Neither is a Seabright skiff and a Poulsbo. Nor is one of the Tolman boats!
You're a boat builder. You know that. Stop being such a twit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Grome" <bagacayboatworks@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AtkinBoats] Testing Billy Atkin's "Shoals Runner"
> You cannot force people to accept "shallow draft" as an
> important testing issue. It may be important to you
> personally, but I'm planning these tests for people who
> couldn't care less about the boat's shallow draft.
> Some of us simply want to know -- for a fact -- whether the
> Atkin boats are more or less fuel efficient than the
> others. Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be "assuming" the
> Atkin boats are less fuel efficient than non-shoal draft
> boats, is this correct?
> If you have some test result to prove this I would be glad
> to see them. Otherwise, I can run my own test and obtain
> my own results. Then instead of making assumptions we will
> have some facts for a change ...
> And facts are the whole point of my proposed tests.
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
>> But the reason for the tunnel stern is shallow draft. If
>> shallow draft is not an issue then you should compare a
>> non-tunnel Atkin V-bottom Seabright skiff with more
>> conventional hull forms. The Atkin tunnel-stern Seabright
>> skiff will be at a disadvantage if it's competing against
>> hulls not designed for similar shallow draft. What'd be
>> the point? Apples and oranges... <shrug>
>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:20:47 -0700, Kenneth G wrote:
>> > ...
>> > I agree that it may be desirable in some circumstances
>> > to compare two hulls with similar shallow draft
>> > characteristics.
>> > On the other hand, if shallow draft is not an issue,
>> > and when the goal is only to determine the relative
>> > efficiency of the two hulls, it certainly makes sense
>> > to compare them directly.
>> > ...
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