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Re: Dave - a nice book for you

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  • adam_bratter
    LOL I completely agree with you Paul, and have had very similiar thoughts. If you come to any potential answers, let me know. Just remember, anytime the Jew
    Message 1 of 16 , Oct 7, 2009
      LOL
      I completely agree with you Paul, and have had very similiar thoughts. If you come to any potential answers, let me know.
      Just remember, anytime the Jew gets involved in politics, who gets blamed....yes, the Jews!


      --- In Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Kotik" <paul.kotik@...> wrote:
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      > We may be very much on topic.
      >
      > Dave asked whether I thought Jews have special wiring. The stealthy insinuation of Jonah Goldberg's book into the conversation raises at least two very on-topic questions:
      >
      > 1) How closely is said Jonah Goldberg related to us?
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      > 2) Why is it that the Jews in America are and have been so very lopsided in their voting behavior and, underlying that, political loyalties? Is this evidence of some special wiring?
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      > It seems to me I read that in the recent Presidential elections, somewhere between 80% -90% of the Jewish vote went to one candidate, the eventual winner, as it happened. My understanding is that this Jewish voting preference, party- and ideology-wise, was consistent with past practice. So much so that it scarcely elicits comment.
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      > But it's extraordinary! It's extraordinarily lopsided. I'm not very knowledgeable of American electoral politics, but I don't offhand know of any other so homogeneous ethnic voting block in America, except for some cases in which the block was near-unanimous in voting for one of its own.
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      > There are convincing arguments that the Jews in America tend to vote against their parochial interests - they tend upscale on the socioeconomic ladder, for instance, yet consistently vote for redistributive policies, parties and candidates. Is this an expression of some wired-in altruism? Something else?
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      > The political behavior of America's Jews seems to me to be rather paradoxical, in striking parallel with the (knowingly, as the author wearily reminds us from time to time) oxymoronic title of Goldberg's book: "Liberal Fascism". If I remember right, Benito Mussolini enjoyed the support of a large majority of Italy's Jews when he scored his first big electoral success in 1921. The historical record suggests that my own Kotik ancestors in Belarus had a strong preference for a tyrannical central government ( the Russian Empire) because they were expert in the art of acting as that central government's agents, thus earning its protection from the troublesome peasants.
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      > Hmmm....have we been here before? Are we again executing a strategy for sojourning in foriegn nations which has failed so tragically and terribly in the past? And if so, is it because it's in our wiring?
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      > Paul Kotik
      > Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Barryzwick@...
      > To: Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:45 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Ashkenazi-Q] Re: Dave - a nice book for you
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      > We are indeed getting off topic, but I find it fascinating. I much enjoy getting to know my brothers this way.
      >
      > And to Rebekah Canada, who serves as a voice of cool enlightenment, I thank her again for all her contributions--and her tolerance.
      >
      > If we were to use this forum only for learning about our origins, we would have only two or three messages a week, and they would be mostly speculation.
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      >
      > Barry Zwick in Los Angeles
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      > In a message dated 10/6/2009 9:26:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jshappee@... writes:
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      > I believe we are getting considerably off topic.
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      > --- In Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com, "adam_bratter" <adam_bratter@> wrote:
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      > > Dave
      > >
      > > Here is a nice book for you to read!
      > > http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841
      > >
      > > Let me know if you have still think Liberal Fascism is an oxymoron after a good read by Mr. Goldberg.
      > >
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