1649Re: [Ashkenazi-Q] My mysterious lineage
- Jan 16, 2012Thanks, Nadene, for all your good advice. Maybe my next step is to go for the 67 DNA test -- I just looked at the price list at Family Tree.
The catch with looking into the various listings of people named Von Schilling and Schilling is that I just don't know if my father had that name (either one) at birth or where his ancestors lived. But I did just register with the JewishGen website and started to explore the lists.
>>> "NADENE GOLDFOOT" 01/14/12 5:08 PM >>>Jim,
My thoughts are: Go to the JewishGen website, http://www.jewishgen.org/, put in Germany for starterrs in the country, and you will see tons of information come up for Von Schilling. You can explore using your own facts of your genealogy. It'll take months to use all the available searches on this one free website.
Also, use the paid website of http://ancestry.com and use your name, Von Schilling, and see what there is. I just did and found a family in Brooklyn with the father from Belgium. There are tons and tons of Von Schillings listed there. You know that it will list the head of the family, and then tells what country the father was from and the mother of that head. That's another clue. You can also look for what language the spoke. It would be interesting to see if it was Hebrew or Yiddish. I saw a person that was listing as Schilling. It's possible that the original name was that, and that Von was added later. Anyway, see how far you can go with your Von Schilling surname till it goes into Europe and you can't search unless you go for the world option which is a little more expensive. That is great if you're doing an English/Welsh, Irish, Scottish search, but not so good on other countires. That's where JewishGen really comes in. It's amazing.
I actually found my Nathan Goldfus (first name was in Yiddish as Nokhum Goldfus) and I almost missed it as I was still thinking "Nathan". in Telsiai, Lithuania. My hint was that I have run across two other serious Goldfus researchers who also found their Goldfus person in Telsiai. That seemed to be the only place I have found Goldfus-in Lithuania.
The change may be when your ancestor had to go from example: Abraham, son of Nathan to Abraham Von Schilling. I've run across Jews coming to the USA who changed their (new) surnames to another one-like one person who used the name of his sponsor out of gratitude, or some such reason as evading the Russian draft.
If you have had the whole 67 allele dna test, you might go for the next test of your genes where you find people with segments of your genes. I had that done at 23&me because I got a sale price at the time, and you can see the countries their ancestors came from who are a match to you. It can give you more insight.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Von Schilling
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ashkenazi-Q] My mysterious lineage
Thanks for the info and also for the offer to help. The problem with doing the genealogy search is that I don't think the last name my father used was his original last name. There are people who are familiar with the background of the "Von Schilling" family, and we've had a little contact in the past. It just seems that their story is entirely different from the story my father told and that there's no place in their family history where my father seemed to fit in.
I've done some searching of census records, although maybe not as much as I could. Again, the problem is that I don't really know what last name my father had when he was growing up.
>>> "NADENE GOLDFOOT" 01/13/12 1:02 PM >>>
I just checked our alleles and my brother has the same results that you do on 439 and 385a. Our surname is Goldfoot, which is anglicized from Goldfus in Yiddish, Goldfuss in German. Jews were in Germany and from there branched out into Eastern Europe. ours went to Telsiai, Lithuania. After doing the 67 allele test and a few others we are listed as Q1b1 and are Ashkenazi Jewish. There are many surnames that are German and also Jewish with no connection between the two groups. This is true of Goldfoot. There is another group that are of a completely different haplogroup. Jews had to buy names eventually when the countries wanted taxes from the people, and were given a list to choose from, usually.
Luckily, my father and his mother and siblings were alive and we lived in the same city that he was born in. I've had to do a lot of searching to find the origins were Telsiai. The only hint I had was the 1910 census in that his father came from "Russia." My grandfather died in an accident in 1912. Have you done a genealogy search and check the census records carefully? If you need help in this, my email is goldfoot1@.... I'd be willing to help look for you if you contact me right away before my subsc to ancestry stops.
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:25 AM
Subject: [Ashkenazi-Q] My mysterious lineage
I just joined this group after finding out via the Genographic Project that I'm in Haplogroup Q - M242.
The mystery comes from the fact that my father, who died 50 years ago, was most likely an imposter who did a very good job of covering his tracks. He was a "Don Draper" (Mad Men on TV)-type guy, working on Wall Street and living in the suburbs with a wife and kids. He had a Germanic last name and a story about his background that has proven to be very dubious.
I'm joining this group because of the following:
(1) It makes sense that he might have been hiding a Jewish background, since other young men from that time (1920s) did the same thing.
(2) My DYS chart from the Genographic Project is almost a match to one that I found online for Ashkenazi-Q's. The only difference was DYS439 -- I have a value of 12 instead of 16.
(I also have a DYS385a of 14 and a DYS385b of 16, but there is no listing for those DYS's in the Ashkenazi-Q table I saw online.)
I realized awhile back that the only clues my Dad seemed to have left me are the ones I carry inside me -- and my DNA, in particular. My facial features are a little unusual -- somewhat like Frank Langella's. If I were in show biz, I could probably play a villain who's Spanish (which is my mom's lineage) or Arabic or Jewish or maybe even Asian -- but not the German that the last name I got from my father would seem to indicate.
I'm open to suggestions as to how to proceed from here.
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