1531Re: [Ashkenazi-Q] Re: Digest Number 281
- May 9, 2011Right. The first time I heard about this was in a small sized digest called Jewish Digest out of eastern USA, can't remember the state. I thought this was so interesting. Later I learned that Columbus himself wrote to his son in Hebrew. So I've always thought that he was a Marrano. But then history tells that he was so adamant about converting the natives to Christianity. What happened? Seems like Hebrew was not such a secret language in those days. He could have learned it just to use as a code with his son and or others. Or, maybe he converted to Christianity because he could not practice being a Jew anymore. Don't know. I have known that some on the ship were marranos. Remember 1492 when he left was also the date of expulsion of Jews in Spain, and later from Portugal. They had to get out anyway they could.Nada----- Original Message -----From: D BremridgeCc: Nadene GOLDFOOTSent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:07 AMSubject: Re: [Ashkenazi-Q] Re: Digest Number 281Hi Nadene,eNJOYUWould like to mention that there were Jews on board the Columbus ships which left for the Americas from the port of Lisbon Portugal.Not only did the wealthy Jewish Merchants assist in subsidising the Columbus journey, but it has been recorded that at least onecertain Spanish Jew LUIS DE TORRES was chosen to be part of the expedition as it was recognised that the Jews were generally very highly adept in adapting to "foreign" languages and therefore were chosen to be the first to "communicate" with the unknown peoples of the Americas. The first island where they landed was CUBA on 2 November 1492. LUIS DE TORRES lived out his life on the island of CUBA and became a landowner who enjoyed smoking the tribal "burnt-out weed = tobacco" which he introduced to the known world.It is still being contested whether CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS was in fact a "MARRANO" = A JEWISH CONVERSOThis bit of information is recorded by Abba Eban in his great work HERITAGE - CIVILIZATION AND THE JEWSEnjoy the dayDenise----- Original Message -----From: goldfootnSent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:54 PMSubject: [Ashkenazi-Q] Re: Digest Number 281
There are three types of Jewish divisions; Ashkenazi, Sephardi and the Mizrachi which are Jewish people from North Africa and the Middle East.
http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm. Was your father Q1b? I know that Sephardi were the first to come to the USA. I believe the synagogue in Rhode Island was the first to be built. That would have been after 1620, no doubt.
--- In Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com, "lois harford" <lolonurse@...> wrote:
> Ashkenazi Jewish - yDNA Haplogroup Q1bHi - I hope I'm doing this correctly. I subscribed a while ago, after having my dad tested as part of my research of our family tree, and he turned out to be haplogroup Q. But I haven't been able to participate, or even devote much attention, much to my chagrin. Anyway, for whatever reason, I clicked on tonight, and see that there is much progress in the typing - and I wonder if you still need people to volunteer samples for this newer typing? My dad would be happy to do this, and since he will be 87 in June, and is the only male left in the family, and the only Q, I guess it would be a good idea.
> Oh - and by the way, his family (Romanian, but in the New World, anecdotally, since late 1500's or early 1600's) always said they were neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardic, but "something else...
> Thanks for any guidance -
> Lois Harford (nee Greenberg)
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> Subject: [Ashkenazi-Q] Digest Number 281
> Ashkenazi Jewish - yDNA Haplogroup Q1b
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> 1a. Re: New Developments - Many Q1b's are now Q1b1* or more From: goldfootn
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> 1a. Re: New Developments - Many Q1b's are now Q1b1* or more
> Posted by: "goldfootn" goldfoot1@... goldfootn
> Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:13 pm (PDT)
> Hi David,
> I just got this by googling SNP L245. I guess I haven't given this group my new email address of goldfoot1@...
> I wanted to tell you that I just ordered the L 245 and the L272 SNP test for my brother, David Goldfoot after reading Rebekah's email about new SNPs for another group. I check the tree and found that these were recommended for our particular haplogroup. Your report below makes it much easier to understand. I hope the results will tell some interesting things.
> Nadene Goldfoot
> --- In Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dshoward@> wrote:
> > I recently attended the Group Administrators' Conference in Houston
> > Texas put on by Family Tree DNA. Thanks to the good work of Rebekah
> > Canada, Alissandro Biondo and others, the Y-chromosome Tree has been
> > updated. Most of us are now Q1b1*. There are new tests in process right
> > now which may show we are Q1b1a or Q1b1b.
> > If you go to Rebekah's site at Family Tree DNA you can see how the new
> > SNPs have changed the chart. What she does not show is the newly
> > published tree which does recognize some of her work. What is most
> > significant for all of us is that we all probably have the L245 SNP.
> > Click on this link to see Rebekah's New Tree.
> > <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx>
> > When we all first started we were told we were in Haplogroup Q meaning
> > that we had the M242 SNP generic to all Haplogroup Q members. It is
> > theorized that this mutation took place about 20,000 years ago in
> > Siberia. Then they found the P36.2 SNP which showed we branched off from
> > the Siberian group more than 12,000 years ago when a group of Q's
> > migrated to the Western Hemisphere.
> > More recently they found we all had M378 SNP which is found among a
> > small percentage of the Hazara tribe in India and a small percentage of
> > the Sindhi tribe of Pakistan. How and when this link to a group of
> > Ashkenazi Jewish people took place has been the subject of some
> > interesting and confusing debates in this chat room.
> > But the L245 SNP is downstream from the M378. Downstream means evolved
> > later in time. This makes us even more unique. Two of our members have
> > SNPs downstream from the L245. One is the L272 and the other is the
> > L315.
> > These more recent mutations may have evolved within a few hundred years
> > in the Mediterranean area.
> > Since many of you have consented to have your samples tested for these
> > newly discovered SNPs we will soon know so much more about this.
> > Family Tree DNA posts its version of the draft y-chromosome tree at the
> > following link. But Rebekah's is more up-to-date and gives much more
> > information - the link above.
> > Draft Y-Tree at FTDNA Site
> > <http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=31182976>
> > I personally believe these new discoveries will put to rest any notion
> > that the Khazars or the mythical Ashina were the source of our Qness.
> > As more and more downstream SNPs are discovered we may eventually find
> > there is one unique to Ashkenazi Jewish Qs. I will wait for Rebekah and
> > Alissandro to announce this.
> > I would like to personally express my appreciation to Rebekah,
> > Alissandro and the others who are doing this work on our behalf.
> > If you do not understand what I am talking about post a response. If you
> > do understand what I am talking about and know more than me please post
> > a response.
> > Regards,
> > Dave Howard
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> Posted by: "NADENE GOLDFOOT" goldfoot1@... goldfootn
> Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:36 pm (PDT)
> Please see that my email address is now: Nadene Goldfoot:
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