1508Re: New Developments - Many Q1b's are now Q1b1* or more
- Apr 12, 2011Hi David,
I just got this by googling SNP L245. I guess I haven't given this group my new email address of goldfoot1@...
I wanted to tell you that I just ordered the L 245 and the L272 SNP test for my brother, David Goldfoot after reading Rebekah's email about new SNPs for another group. I check the tree and found that these were recommended for our particular haplogroup. Your report below makes it much easier to understand. I hope the results will tell some interesting things.
--- In Ashkenazi-Q@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dshoward@...> wrote:
> I recently attended the Group Administrators' Conference in Houston
> Texas put on by Family Tree DNA. Thanks to the good work of Rebekah
> Canada, Alissandro Biondo and others, the Y-chromosome Tree has been
> updated. Most of us are now Q1b1*. There are new tests in process right
> now which may show we are Q1b1a or Q1b1b.
> If you go to Rebekah's site at Family Tree DNA you can see how the new
> SNPs have changed the chart. What she does not show is the newly
> published tree which does recognize some of her work. What is most
> significant for all of us is that we all probably have the L245 SNP.
> Click on this link to see Rebekah's New Tree.
> When we all first started we were told we were in Haplogroup Q meaning
> that we had the M242 SNP generic to all Haplogroup Q members. It is
> theorized that this mutation took place about 20,000 years ago in
> Siberia. Then they found the P36.2 SNP which showed we branched off from
> the Siberian group more than 12,000 years ago when a group of Q's
> migrated to the Western Hemisphere.
> More recently they found we all had M378 SNP which is found among a
> small percentage of the Hazara tribe in India and a small percentage of
> the Sindhi tribe of Pakistan. How and when this link to a group of
> Ashkenazi Jewish people took place has been the subject of some
> interesting and confusing debates in this chat room.
> But the L245 SNP is downstream from the M378. Downstream means evolved
> later in time. This makes us even more unique. Two of our members have
> SNPs downstream from the L245. One is the L272 and the other is the
> These more recent mutations may have evolved within a few hundred years
> in the Mediterranean area.
> Since many of you have consented to have your samples tested for these
> newly discovered SNPs we will soon know so much more about this.
> Family Tree DNA posts its version of the draft y-chromosome tree at the
> following link. But Rebekah's is more up-to-date and gives much more
> information - the link above.
> Draft Y-Tree at FTDNA Site
> I personally believe these new discoveries will put to rest any notion
> that the Khazars or the mythical Ashina were the source of our Qness.
> As more and more downstream SNPs are discovered we may eventually find
> there is one unique to Ashkenazi Jewish Qs. I will wait for Rebekah and
> Alissandro to announce this.
> I would like to personally express my appreciation to Rebekah,
> Alissandro and the others who are doing this work on our behalf.
> If you do not understand what I am talking about post a response. If you
> do understand what I am talking about and know more than me please post
> a response.
> Dave Howard
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