- Old Business
Kadlin is putting in final micro-edits in the Beginner's course. How does
that stand? What is our plan on Palmizing?
I have registered the asatru-u.org domain and it will be up (with a "we're
working on it" page) Real Soon Now. We can put the Beginner's course there
when it is declared Shipped. Would someone like to work on a main page for
the domain? And let's all hail Lorrie at our next sumbel for putting that
domain up for us.
We will need to publicize the Beginner's course, too. Who would like to
take the lead on that? We can all do our bit in tacking flyers to
telephone poles, but we need a plan for reaching organizations, I think.
And we need to resume work on the Intermediate course now that we have an
idea where the Beginner's ends. Please go to our Yahoo! Groups page and
review message 500, which I think is where we left off on that.
The Reeves Hall is eligible to apply for grants through the FWA, but first
we have to think of what we would do with money. Any ideas on how to make
Asatru-U better by judicious applications of cash? I think it would be
decent to help defray some of Lorrie's expenses on the domain. But what
Manny Olds (oldsma@...) of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA
"Reporters perform lossy compression on data." -- Jonathan W Hendry
- Manny Olds wrote:
> Kadlin is putting in final micro-edits in the Beginner's course.Just about done. I've been forced to work on it in bits & dabs, so I
> How does that stand?
need to get a block of time to go through it one more time & make
sure I haven't forgotten anything between sessions. Then Groa's
going to take a final look at it. Should be done soon.
> We will need to publicize the Beginner's course, too. Who wouldDiana Paxson wanted someone to write a short article on the course to
> like to take the lead on that? We can all do our bit in tacking
> flyers to telephone poles, but we need a plan for reaching
> organizations, I think.
be included in Idunna, I don't know if that was ever done or not.
Perhaps something could be written for Lina as well? Does anyone on
the committee have any connections with any other heathen newsletters
that might publish a sort of "press release"?
We should try to get the page indexed on "About.com", as well as some
of the search engines as well. Someone want to write some metatags
for the course? We need a very short summary of what it is so that
it will come up elegantly on the search engines that use metatags.
About.com's Asatru index is at:
P.S. I see that About.com's "alternative religions" index today has
a "spotlight" article on Asatru & racism:
- In a message dated 4/13/01 8:04:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Diana Paxson wanted someone to write a short article on the course toNope, wasn't done. Said I would do it and then procrastinated big time. Mea
> be included in Idunna, I don't know if that was ever done or not.
culpa - how to say that in Old Saxon? My major psychological barrier here
was self-doubt about what to say. But let me just make a stab, submit it and
let you make changes, like everything else we've done. I'll make Sunday as
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- Manny Olds wrote:
>Once the Beginners Course is up on the new domain, simply announcing
> We will need to publicize the Beginner's course, too. Who would like to
> take the lead on that? We can all do our bit in tacking flyers to
> telephone poles, but we need a plan for reaching organizations, I think.
this on the various email lists should reach a lot of people.
I also think we should literally have flyers - I plan to go to
Trothmoot, Starwood, and the East Coast Thing this year, and I think
there would be interested potential users at all three. And, I know
various other members of this group will be attending various other
gatherings, so again our potential audience is large. I imagine the
flyer as a one-page (front and back, attractively folded into thirds)
description of the Beginners Course and the topics it covers. (Later,
of course, we can add Glowing Testimonials from Satisfied Users as well
as a description of the other courses as they shape up.)
I could probably talk Bob Stine into doing some artwork for it - any
ideas for a theme for the art? Come to think of it, I might be able
talk Rob Shaver into doing the layout, too. Hmm - this basically boils
down to whether or not the rest of my Kindred is interested in
contributing to this project. I'll ask about this at our blot at the
end of this month. If the Kindred decides we want to take it on, and if
the AU group comes to some agreement about what should be in the flyer,
we could probably start work on layout.
And, I think we now have some ideas for how we could use grant money if
there were any - paying for the domain, and printing & postage costs for
- Just to bring everyone up to date:
Yesterday, I sent off what I think is the penultimate version of the
beginner's course to Groa, who kindly volunteered to nit-pick any
She just sent me the first installment, so I think the course will be
ready fairly soon. We can easily get "shipped" before Trothmoot!
(Assuming all the other technical stuff goes according to plan.)
- Manny Olds wrote:
>Manny is right, we need to keep our noses to the grindstone and get
> And we need to resume work on the Intermediate course now that
> we have an idea where the Beginner's ends. Please go to our
> Yahoo! Groups page and review message 500, which I think is where
> we left off on that.
back to the intermediate course. Only by building on our prior work
will Asatru-U have real value. Otherwise, it's just a glorified link
I know from past experience that it is pesky for people to look
things up in the archives and comment on them, so to keep the ball
rolling I going to forward message 500 back to the list by posting it
below. If you have already looked it up on the Yahoo Groups site, I
apologize for the bandwidth use. Forgive me, I'm just trying to make
P.S. The complete Intermediate Outline Version 1.0 is in message #342.
--- In Asatru-U@y..., "Manny Olds" <oldsma@c...> wrote:
Let's go back to where we were when the summer scattered us: Message
#414 from our archive.
--- In Asatru-U@egroups.com, Manny Olds <oldsma@c...> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Manny Olds wrote:
) The purpose of life is to establish and maintain right
) relationships with those around us: family, community,
) the gods, wyrd. The purpose of religion is to give us
) a pattern for doing that; a religious community
) shares mutual support for the efforts of its members.
) Specifically, "To be Asatru is to blot the gods and to
) acknowledge that one's life ought to be led according
) to a moral code." [Manny's mangling of Groa's simple
) definition, under the influence of Dirk Mahling's "4
) Bedposts".] Because this feeds back and ties us into
) Wyrd in the right way.
) As I see it, Groa's outline wraps around this post three
) times in a descending spiral:
) I - III quick, shallow, review/evening up; introduces idea of
) relationships and wyrd.
) IV-VII Gets into some specifics on what we *do* about this in
) practice. Begins to show deeper connections between
) things that might seem separate on the surface.
) VIII-XI Explicit, hands-on, conscious management of wyrd
) So the readings and activities should follow this pattern,
) with the same basic facts repeated three times, but at deeper
) and more abstract levels.
With this in mind, let's revisit Wrap #1. Can we fill in some
more specific facts or concepts that the student should take away
from each section? How are we building in hooks for Wrap #2?
What about readings and activities--these seem a bit sparse here.
FIRST "WRAP" OF INTERMEDIATE OUTLINE VER. 1.0
I. Includes historical context, then and now; Asatru "rooms"
Scandinavian, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, even Gothic.
Rationale: provides context for the rest of the course.
Activity: Sitting out & extending perceptions; informal personal
offering to being(s) of choice.
Reading: Reeves Hall "Asatru in Brief" brochure; begin reading
II. Wyrd and Orlog
Includes oaths and blood-siblinghood; introduces idea of standards of
Rationale: central principle of Germanic thought; informs everything
Reading: Selected extracts from Egil's Saga.
III. Gods and Other Etins
Their nature; they are subject to wyrd; highlights of god-roster.
Rationale: gives students an understanding of who offerings are made
_to_ for next section. Keeps people reading the myths (begun in Part
Activity: Choose a specific god; write/present a very short bio or
description of that god, including something about personality or
Reading: Finish Crossley-Holland. Begin ???
Manny Olds <oldsma@c...> of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA
Sometimes you give a guy a fish, sometimes you teach him to fish,
sometimes you establish a fisherman training school, and sometimes you
have to let him find his own solution.
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- My initial perception is that the Beginner's course goes farther than we
originally imagined it would and that some of the Intermediate material
has consequently become redundant.
Tangential query - do we have a list of Required Texts for the
Intermediate course at this point? (Kadlin's got me dead to rights, I
hate searching list archives and hope that some more-organized person
has the info. ready to hand.) And, are we proceeding on the assumption
that Intermediate students do not necessarily have Internet or ILL
access, and that the texts should therefore be books in print? I ask
because, in my own classes, the books I assign have some influence on
the order and emphasis of the course. IIRC, we didn't include Dubois'
recent book on Viking Age religion before, and I think we might want to
consider adding it.
- Ann Sheffield wrote:
> And, are we proceeding on the assumptionKeeping the list of readings to things that are actually in print is
> that Intermediate students do not necessarily have Internet or ILL
> access, and that the texts should therefore be books in print?
a better idea, though I think out-of-print things can be supplemental.
However, I think that we can assume that if people managed to get
their hands on the course, they can get enough internet access to at
least print articles off for online perusal. At least for articles,
if not for entire books.
Is the plan to make the course primarily web-based, like the
beginner's course, or to make it primarily "real book" based, kind of
like the self-study course The Troth sells or used to sell?
My preference is that it should have many more things to *do* than
the beginner's course has.
- On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Kadlin Waltheofsdottir wrote:
> My preference is that it should have many more things to *do* than theThat was part of our original plan, an "Activity" for each lesson. We had
> beginner's course has.
also conceived of it for small study groups with someone acting as a
"study leader"--to coordinate them and keep things moving.
And I think that some overlap back into the material covered in the
Beginner's course would be desirable. Some people will skip the
Beginner's. Some people will do it, but not pick up on everything. And if
the Intermediate is a group activity, review will give them a chance to
discuss what they had done individually: to improve their individual
understanding and also to help them develop a group sense of what they are
Manny Olds (oldsma@...) of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA
No one ought to be completely serious *all* the time. It leads to
constipation and headaches.
- Manny Olds wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Kadlin Waltheofsdottir wrote:
> > My preference is that it should have many more things to *do* than the
> > beginner's course has.
> And ifI agree that working in a group would be the ideal for this course, but
> the Intermediate is a group activity, review will give them a chance to
> discuss what they had done individually: to improve their individual
> understanding and also to help them develop a group sense of what they are
I think that won't be possible for everyone and that the course should
be usable by solitaries, also.
Review is a good idea - we just need to check for compatibility between
the Beginners and Intermediate courses to avoid either rote repetition
or unbridged gulfs.
- Heilsa All,
(me beating head into computer chanting new mantra
Must proof read, Must proof read..)
Sorry for the typo's I was in a rush and my brain is
faster than my fingers... :(
Who will crawl under a rock until he passes his class
in typing from the ACME school for typing... :\
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