2511Re: What is Sidir?
- Jul 6, 2008This was a very interesting answer to read, thank you for covering
the different 'types' of magic and for explaining a little about
each. Are there any specific referenes you can give me (so I can do
a little more study on them...and possibly websites...my library is
severly lacking) about each being used? I recall the story about
Odin conjuring a dead volva (necromancy is the popular name for it
today, I believe) and to my understanding this would fit into
the 'Spa' category, would it not?
--- In Asatru-U@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony W. McPherson"
> A bit indepth and rambling, but I hope this helps.
> "Magic" of which seidir is a part, is the manipulation and / or use
> of Wyrd(sort of "what will happen by our own actions" and he gods
> intervention) and Orlog (sort of "natural law") in a way that we as
> humans in general cannot explain as we can in the subject we
> call "science". In science we can explain where wood goes when it
> burned to ashes, or water when it evaporates. Science is just theby "science",
> part of Orlog that we can understand. If we make the wood or water
> disappear in a way that science cannot yet explain, then we are
> performing "magic".
> From a Theological point of view, it is simply using the powers
> around and from within us, which we cannot explain away
> but of course that is from OUR point of view. To the Christiansand
> Moslems, only their different gods can work outside of ourother
> known "science", and all others are "worshipping Satan" or some
> devil or demon of their religion.by
> After the coming of the Christian religions, anything practiced by
> our holy men and women was "Black Magic" and any magic performed
> their "holy men" was a "Miracle".that
> According to more than a few researchers, including Grimm in
> his "Teutonic Mythology", any Magic along with any other subject
> an outsider (or many "insiders" for that matter) would call "Magic"and
> or anything similar, were performed primarily by the older people
> folk of a certain type For the most part. Elderly Women, "Dead tofrom
> love and labor" who had a knowledge of some herblore and cooking
> decades of experience, and Older Shepherds (those with jobs notstress
> requiring constant mental work-outs or attention and physical
> who can stop and think for long periods of time). The younger menwas
> had their time taken up with farming, adventuring (a few), warring
> and defense of the stead while younger women were busy with the
> keeping of the hall, and rearing of the children. Remember, this
> a time when the children were actually raised, and that was theduty
> of the women to teach them and stear them on the right path. Mentypes
> taught more of the "mechanics" of life.
> Some rituals could be thought of as "magic" of a sort, but that is
> simply the gods being asked to act. "Magic" as I use the term here
> is more of the actions of the person, with some assistance of the
> gods and goddesses in some cases.
> There are few hard lines drawn between the different types
> of "magic", many "gray areas" and borders between the different
> exist. Many times people hold more than one skill or disciplineand
> the crossover is just a natural occurrence. The following is aand
> generalization only!
> Galdr: is the casting of magic by chanting or singing. The gods
> goddesses, especially ODIN and BALDER are very much impressed, andand
> therefore influenced, by Poetry and Song. Verse and/or song
> would "get their attention", especially if the song was well sung
> the lyrics of the song or words of the poem were witty, sincere,they
> uplifting, honorable or ins some other way pleasing to them. The
> words and music are also a type of "offering" or sacrifice which
> might appreciate, if not just a "jingle" to attract theirattention.
> This would include some of the runic type of magic, but notto
> necessarily all, and not all Galdr is Runic. This has been a
> powerful type of magic in many cultures throughout history.
> Lullabies were originally a charm sung over a baby before it went
> sleep to protect him or her from wights that would harm them in theintended.
> Love songs were originally "charms" or "spells" to win your
> Little verses spoken or sung at different jobs or duties originatedthymes
> as galdr, but today are just "silly little childhood songs". I
> remember my mother and both grandmothers telling me of little
> that they sung or recited at different times while performingthe
> different jobs. To them, they were just "little ditties" to pass
> time while doing as repetitious chore. In the more modern times,from
> they were correct, but the origin of those "little ditties" came
> galdr, such as this verse to make cream churn into butter faster:or
> Come butter come
> Come butter come
> Johnny waits by the gate
> With a warm buckwheat cake
> Come butter come
> The previous verse was probably a more modern version of the charm
> spell, but it remains never the less. Also, I remember there wasthe
> verse for planting some seeds (in more modern, post Columbus times,which
> this particular verse usually referred to the planting of corn)
> shows a sacrifice to some of nature`s creatures, the land wight anda
> tribute from the worker to The Karl (land owner):about
> (while planting seeds, one seed for each line of the charm)
> One for the chicken
> One for the crow
> One for the farmer
> And one to grow
> There were also songs for doing laundry, milking cows and just
> everything else. If you have elderly relatives from a ruralgive
> background or recent immigrants from Europe they may be able to
> you many more examples of these little songs. Many of the old wayshave
> are entombed in a series of books (my gods are they good)
> called "FOXFIRE", which is a sort of "how to" series on how to do
> everything from building a still in "hillbilly country" to making a
> flintlock rifle to skinning a bear and planting a garden. Being of
> the U.S. southern culture, the entire society was of course
> Christianized and changed to suit the new land and situations, but
> you can see the old ways and catch a glimpse of Old World beliefs
> shining through in many of the stories, and instructions.
> Your success depends upon your own power, dedication, concentration
> and / or the powers that are being worked on your behalf by a
> benevolent deity or spirit. You may "do everything correct" and
> energies and powers, but it strong enough spiritual/deity force istotal
> opposed to you, you will fail. On the other hand, you can be a
> looser when it comes to ability in magic and succeed when thosesame
> forces are with you.really
> When performing galdr, again depending upon what is working with or
> against you, the poem or song may be repeated many times (making it
> into sort of a chant if it is short enough) or only once if it is
> forceful enough and thought to have accomplished its purpose.
> Unfortunately YOU will have to figure out which works for you, and
> even which works for you in particular situations. If you are
> luck, you will receive that information from the gods themselvesand
> have the "guess work taken out of it altogether. You will alsohave
> to figure out which works better for you, singing, chanting orthe
> reciting poetry-type charms/spells.
> The attempt might b as elaborate as a full ritual as described in
> GENERAL OUTLINE FOR A RITE OR RITUAL, from the previous section ofdressing",
> this NOTEBOOK, or as simple as Hammer Hallowing an area and sitting
> comfortably in a quiet room, in the woods, a field, hilltop,
> waterfall or wherever you might meet with success. Concentration
> usually results in better success than relying on "window
> but sometimes both are necessary. In other words, don't work sohard
> on the "show" of a ritual that you let your concentration on theparticular,
> desired outcome low ebb.
> Within galdr, you might find other types of magic, or use galdr in
> other types, especially magic using runes when they are sung or the
> rune poem is spoken.
> Spa: is a skill or gift for telling the future or prophecy. This
> could be done with Runes, trances, or reading other signs. If the
> power is strong with you, you might not need anything in
> it will just come to you.mental
> When using runes, calling upon deities and / or getting into a
> state in order to receive information on the future, most use galdr.(who
> Some of the deities to call upon are ODIN, SAGA and, if you think
> that you can persuade her to communicate what she knows, FRIGGA
> is said to NEVER reveal what she knows of the future). The mentalchanting
> trance-like state that many go into is often self imposed by
> to the deities for that purpose, or chanting certain runes toattain
> that state.abilities.
> Seidr: takes many definitions, or at least many different
> Healing, mental magic & manipulation, channeling spirits, mind andand
> weather control, and other abilities. FREYA is a good one for this
> although others can be chosen depending upon the reason and target
> for and of the Seidr.
> If runes are used as the power or tool for the work, and the names,
> rune-poems or sounds are sung, or a chant is used to call the deity
> desired for support, again, galdr is used. If channeling spirits
> speaking with the dead for information on the future is used, then
> spa is also used.
> As you see, you can "jump" from one "type" of magic to another
> without really planning to do so, it's a "come as you are needed"
> type party.
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